Getting sick of how the game is weighted against the solo player.

GrimMauKin

I enjoy grouping for dungeons but I also like to test myself as a solo player.

I've just taken a couple of pops at a boss in Glenumbria as a solo Nightblade. I forget the name of the location, but it's a big boss zombie and a couple of VT1 zombie MOBS. Toe to toe I can't win but strategically I think I stand a chance. I snared the boss and took out the less MOBs and then my problems started. I could do a fair bit of damage to the boss, but it's hits were so powerful (a couple to finish me off) I had to evade for a while by rolling. The combat was on a small island and yet somehow, either by getting out of range or simply evading blows for a time, the boss reset (I appreciate the distance thing exists, but I never left the island and the boss seemed to be in range the whole time; I eventually got killed. On other attempts when I got the boss down to low health the zombie mobs respawned and finished me off. On a couple of instances the lesser MOBS reset and returned to their spawn points whilst we were toe-to-toe hitting each other.

I've always hated the exaggerated range that MOBS can hit you from and the fact that if you get out of range they reset; ESO effectively forces you to fight toe-to-toe in an arena setting. It seems as if strategic combat is actually penalised and players are pushed into mindless slugfests which non-tank solo players can't win.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Bosses are ment for groups. It is something added for challenges. you are not required to kill bosses or anchors, they are just challenges for groups. Everything that you need to do to advance threw the game you can do solo.

Xnemesis

GrimMauKin wrote: »

I enjoy grouping for dungeons but I also like to test myself as a solo player.

I've just taken a couple of pops at a boss in Glenumbria as a solo Nightblade. I forget the name of the location, but it's a big boss zombie and a couple of VT1 zombie MOBS. Toe to toe I can't win but strategically I think I stand a chance. I snared the boss and took out the less MOBs and then my problems started. I could do a fair bit of damage to the boss, but it's hits were so powerful (a couple to finish me off) I had to evade for a while by rolling. The combat was on a small island and yet somehow, either by getting out of range or simply evading blows for a time, the boss reset (I appreciate the distance thing exists, but I never left the island and the boss seemed to be in range the whole time; I eventually got killed. On other attempts when I got the boss down to low health the zombie mobs respawned and finished me off. On a couple of instances the lesser MOBS reset and returned to their spawn points whilst we were toe-to-toe hitting each other.

I've always hated the exaggerated range that MOBS can hit you from and the fact that if you get out of range they reset; ESO effectively forces you to fight toe-to-toe in an arena setting. It seems as if strategic combat is actually penalised and players are pushed into mindless slugfests which non-tank solo players can't win.

I agree If you really want to clear them just come back and solo them when you are VR.

DieAlteHexe

Even as a "not-particularly-interested-in-grouping" sort...this game is very fair and generous with respect to solo content. There are some things that benefit from/are required to group and that's okay. Soloers can get the majority of the content just fine.

rbenkepub19_ESO

Your title and your subject don't match. The title suggests that you want ZOS to eliminate group content. The body suggests that you wish bosses wouldn't reset if kited a short distance from their anchor. I, too, think bosses have too short a range. I do not, however, wish ZOS would make the entire game solo-able.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

What is this... You can solo all the way up. I don't even...

Trials just need to be soloable. Let's just bring this line of thought to its eventual conclusion.

NorthernFury

GrimMauKin wrote: »

I've always hated the exaggerated range that MOBS can hit you from and the fact that if you get out of range they reset; ESO effectively forces you to fight toe-to-toe in an arena setting. It seems as if strategic combat is actually penalised and players are pushed into mindless slugfests which non-tank solo players can't win.

You've got to think of the fights a little differently from other games, in that it's less about going max DPS all the time and more about using crowd control abilities and self-regen synergies. Different skill combinations are going to work better for certain fights, and you are going to want to change them out, especially for different bosses. Just about every world boss is soloable by any class.

DenverRalphy

I have yet to find any boss my NB can't easily handle. I have toons from all 4 classes, and my NB by far holds the advantage in controlling every encounter compared to the others.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you're trying to play your NB the same way you play other classes. The biggest giveaway being your reference to going "Toe to Toe". That is by far not the way to go with that class.

Additionally, bosses don't reset because you get too far away from them. They reset because you pulled them out of their leashed area.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I have yet to find any boss my NB can't easily handle. I have toons from all 4 classes, and my NB by far holds the advantage in controlling every encounter compared to the others.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you're trying to play your NB the same way you play other classes. The biggest giveaway being your reference to going "Toe to Toe". That is by far not the way to go with that class.

Additionally, bosses don't reset because you get too far away from them. They reset because you pulled them out of their leashed area.

I have yet to be able to take on high end vr bosses solo. And if it's a vr troll or giant of any kind it isn't happening.

Link your build please.

Dagoth_Rac

That is a "World Boss". Indicated by a Skull on the map. Not meant to be killed solo by a player of the same level. And that particular zombie is one of the nastier World Bosses in Glenumbra. Just wait around a few minutes and take him out with a few random players who pass by. Or just ignore him. He is not part of any quest or requirement for moving on.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I have yet to find any boss my NB can't easily handle. I have toons from all 4 classes, and my NB by far holds the advantage in controlling every encounter compared to the others.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you're trying to play your NB the same way you play other classes. The biggest giveaway being your reference to going "Toe to Toe". That is by far not the way to go with that class.

Additionally, bosses don't reset because you get too far away from them. They reset because you pulled them out of their leashed area.

I have yet to be able to take on high end vr bosses solo. And if it's a vr troll or giant of any kind it isn't happening.

Link your build please.

My son, a Vampire VR3 NB, does it all the time. It's great fun to watch.

He is very good at his NB though. He is a great fighter and I have lent my small army of crafters to help his effort. He did not really pay a lot of attention to the various numbers involved. We have him in several armor sets now and his critical is very strong these days. Some of the potions my Alchemist makes puts him into 100% territory and ... well stuff dies.

Anastasia

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Bosses are ment for groups. It is something added for challenges. you are not required to kill bosses or anchors, they are just challenges for groups. Everything that you need to do to advance threw the game you can do solo.

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Playing an NB, ya might have to get a second person to help you on a few bosses, esp until ZOS does more for stam / magicka ratio than it is this Monday.

Sadly otherwise aside from some of the bosses -you have soloability from the cradle to big boy play in all of TESO PvE now save for a few delves and dungeons. And good luck getting any groups for those unless you are with your irl buds.

Grouping, especially in V+ 1-10 is only done with friends after sharing some (*legal recreational activity in Colorado, USA*) and a couple of cold adult bev's. Its for shizz and grins all the way to V-12. Come-on. Don't need none of dat grouping mess in our PvE now do we...

;o(

KariTR

Although most bosses can be solo'd on level in Vet zones since the nerf, a few will still require cooperation with at least one other player.

Elite mobs are designed for groups, but are generally solo-able, you really shouldn't be the one complaining.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I have yet to find any boss my NB can't easily handle. I have toons from all 4 classes, and my NB by far holds the advantage in controlling every encounter compared to the others.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you're trying to play your NB the same way you play other classes. The biggest giveaway being your reference to going "Toe to Toe". That is by far not the way to go with that class.

Additionally, bosses don't reset because you get too far away from them. They reset because you pulled them out of their leashed area.

I have yet to be able to take on high end vr bosses solo. And if it's a vr troll or giant of any kind it isn't happening.

Link your build please.

My son, a Vampire VR3 NB, does it all the time. It's great fun to watch.

He is very good at his NB though. He is a great fighter and I have lent my small army of crafters to help his effort. He did not really pay a lot of attention to the various numbers involved. We have him in several armor sets now and his critical is very strong these days. Some of the potions my Alchemist makes puts him into 100% territory and ... well stuff dies.

vampire... nuff said.

It's probably not talent on his part, no offense intended, he may very well be quite talented. Vampire is a huge boost in terms of viability.

Xsorus

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

I've soloed every single Boss Encounter to VR levels on my Nightblade doing that right there..Eventually when i got Siphoning Attacks I didn't even have to stealth, I just had to spam Swallow Soul till they died.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

I've soloed every single Boss Encounter to VR levels on my Nightblade doing that right there..Eventually when i got Siphoning Attacks I didn't even have to stealth, I just had to spam Swallow Soul till they died.

this is my current tactic. My survivability does not match yours for some reason. A lot of world bosses don't even get stunned, some outright ignore my cloak.

mips_winnt

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

mips_winnt wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

this is like NB 101. I am required to survive longer with this than I am capable of. Eventually the mob wears me down.

At vr12 exactly what vet rank mobs are you beating with this?

If I face a giant, a troll, a gargoyle, a mammoth, and such, this will not work. Half the time they hit me through cloak, they don't get stunned so no bonuses from that (and no bonuses from cloak if they see through it) and I get my butt handed to me while slashing light attacks trying to get magicka back up.

guybrushtb16_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

vampire... nuff said.

It's probably not talent on his part, no offense intended, he may very well be quite talented. Vampire is a huge boost in terms of viability.

Really? Is it the 10% magicka and stamina regeneration or the faster sneaking that makes vampires reign supreme over us mere mortals? -_-

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

vampire... nuff said.

It's probably not talent on his part, no offense intended, he may very well be quite talented. Vampire is a huge boost in terms of viability.

Really? Is it the 10% magicka and stamina regeneration or the faster sneaking that makes vampires reign supreme over us mere mortals? -_-

maybe it's the skills or the ultimate /shrug

But your right, vampires have nooo advantages. That's why all the really high end players in pvp don't take vampire, because it just doesn't have any bonuses.

Innocente

ROFLMAO

This game is 99% Single-Player game now.

If you cannot do it, then you need to Learn To Play your class.

Simple as that.

Chuggernaut

Out of all my characters, my sorcerer with a pet is the easiest way to solo bosses/named spawns. My Dragon Knight can do it too, especially if he wolfs out.

mips_winnt

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mips_winnt wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

this is like NB 101.

Yep but apparently some NB players don't realize they can do this.

I am required to survive longer with this than I am capable of. Eventually the mob wears me down.

If the mob is stunnable it won't wear you down since it'll never hit you if you do this right or are you meaning "wear you down" as in run you out of magicka? if that's what you mean, siphoning attacks will avoid this just by making sure you get in a few light attacks with each cycle, on the other hand my NB is pretty well stacked with magicka so might not work as well for other builds, dunno.

At vr12 exactly what vet rank mobs are you beating with this?

my NB is VR 11 and have finished all the quests in every zone, including public dungeons as well as the vast majority of world bosses and I've never had any issues with mobs that are stunnable.

If I face a giant, a troll, a gargoyle, a mammoth, and such, this will not work.
Half the time they hit me through cloak, they don't get stunned so no bonuses from that (and no bonuses from cloak if they see through it) and I get my butt handed to me while slashing light attacks trying to get magicka back up

Like I said, it works as long as it's stunnable, most trolls are easy (they're stunnable), mammoths and gargoyles and certain trolls are tougher (those that are immune to stun and/or can see invisible) but beatable with kiting (I switch back and forth from DW to bow for those mobs along with a healthy dose of dodge ).

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

mips_winnt wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mips_winnt wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

this is like NB 101.

Yep but apparently some NB players don't realize they can do this.

I am required to survive longer with this than I am capable of. Eventually the mob wears me down.

If the mob is stunnable it won't wear you down since it'll never hit you if you do this right or are you meaning "wear you down" as in run you out of magicka? if that's what you mean, siphoning attacks will avoid this just by making sure you get in a few light attacks with each cycle, on the other hand my NB is pretty well stacked with magicka so might not work as well for other builds, dunno.

At vr12 exactly what vet rank mobs are you beating with this?

my NB is VR 11 and have finished all the quests in every zone, including public dungeons as well as the vast majority of world bosses and I've never had any issues with mobs that are stunnable.

If I face a giant, a troll, a gargoyle, a mammoth, and such, this will not work.
Half the time they hit me through cloak, they don't get stunned so no bonuses from that (and no bonuses from cloak if they see through it) and I get my butt handed to me while slashing light attacks trying to get magicka back up

Like I said, it works as long as it's stunnable, most trolls are easy (they're stunnable), mammoths and gargoyles and certain trolls are tougher (those that are immune to stun and/or can see invisible) but beatable with kiting (I switch back and forth from DW to bow for those mobs along with a healthy dose of dodge ).

Yes obviously I use leeching strikes, what I mean is they wear me down in between those light attacks to get magicka back and having the magicka. Sometimes I can beat on a mob for a good while before I get that bump.

I suck at kiting. I am not entirely sure how it works in this game because it always seems like the mob is right on top of me, and even if they aren't they can hit me from a ridiculously long distance.

Insignia91

I laughed so hard I hurt my side. The OP is mad he needs a group to kill a boss in a MMO... That being said you might want to play Skyrim instead.

mips_winnt

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yes obviously I use leeching strikes, what I mean is they wear me down in between those light attacks to get magicka back and having the magicka.
Sometimes I can beat on a mob for a good while before I get that bump.

Yes I see what you're saying, I guess I don't have issues with it because I stack a lot of magicka so have enough of a pool to get by between procs.

I suck at kiting. I am not entirely sure how it works in this game because it always seems like the mob is right on top of me, and even if they aren't they can hit me from a ridiculously long distance.

No argument there, kiting in this game takes a lot of practice and trial and error and can be very frustrating, I've gotten pretty comfortable with it for most mob types ( forget about Storm Atronachs though! nothing I've found works for soloing those bastages) but it took a lot of deaths to get there.

Wifeaggro13

GrimMauKin wrote: »

I enjoy grouping for dungeons but I also like to test myself as a solo player.

I've just taken a couple of pops at a boss in Glenumbria as a solo Nightblade. I forget the name of the location, but it's a big boss zombie and a couple of VT1 zombie MOBS. Toe to toe I can't win but strategically I think I stand a chance. I snared the boss and took out the less MOBs and then my problems started. I could do a fair bit of damage to the boss, but it's hits were so powerful (a couple to finish me off) I had to evade for a while by rolling. The combat was on a small island and yet somehow, either by getting out of range or simply evading blows for a time, the boss reset (I appreciate the distance thing exists, but I never left the island and the boss seemed to be in range the whole time; I eventually got killed. On other attempts when I got the boss down to low health the zombie mobs respawned and finished me off. On a couple of instances the lesser MOBS reset and returned to their spawn points whilst we were toe-to-toe hitting each other.

I've always hated the exaggerated range that MOBS can hit you from and the fact that if you get out of range they reset; ESO effectively forces you to fight toe-to-toe in an arena setting. It seems as if strategic combat is actually penalised and players are pushed into mindless slugfests which non-tank solo players can't win.

O my god. This game has so much solo content its nauseating. Even the group content quests favor soloing due to phasing. You have 1zone 6dungeons and two trials that are group required.the rest of the game is so solo if you had the ability to turn off pc models you would be playing a cheap 3rd person ES knock off. Its called MMO for a reason.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

mips_winnt wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yes obviously I use leeching strikes, what I mean is they wear me down in between those light attacks to get magicka back and having the magicka.
Sometimes I can beat on a mob for a good while before I get that bump.

Yes I see what you're saying, I guess I don't have issues with it because I stack a lot of magicka so have enough of a pool to get by between procs.

I suck at kiting. I am not entirely sure how it works in this game because it always seems like the mob is right on top of me, and even if they aren't they can hit me from a ridiculously long distance.

No argument there, kiting in this game takes a lot of practice and trial and error and can be very frustrating, I've gotten pretty comfortable with it for most mob types ( forget about Storm Atronachs though! nothing I've found works for soloing those bastages) but it took a lot of deaths to get there.

my attributes are currently 49 health and my gear is all magicka enchant, many gold some purple. (the enchantments, the gear is blue and purple.) I use magicka/health food. I hit the caps and such...

Xsorus

mips_winnt wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

Siphoning Attacks comes later on down the line, and you can start doing what you suggest, with the method I just listed, you can do it from like level 8 or 10 alway to Vr levels easily enough because Restro Staff Gives mana back on the end of the Heavy Channel.

Xsorus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mips_winnt wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mips_winnt wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

How to solo most Bosses on a Nightblade, including the one the OP was talking about.

Step 1 - Equip Dark Cloak and Concealed Weapon on your bar (The other Morphs are also fine)

Step 2 - Make sure one of your weapons is Restro Staff, Light Armor also helps

Step 3 - Stealth and hit with Concealed Weapon, Follow up with 2 Heavy Attacks from Restro Staff

Step 4 - Repeat Step 3 till Mob is dead.

You don't need a resto staff for this as long as the boss is stunnable NB can kill it without ever getting hit...

Siphoning attacks, open from stealth + VS (stun) + Heavy (knockdown) and couple of lights to regen magicka, cloak, rinse, wash, repeat ...unless you're careless with the timing of your cloak or don't watch your magicka you'll never get hit, do it all the time as a dual wielder.

Gotta love cloak!

this is like NB 101.

Yep but apparently some NB players don't realize they can do this.

I am required to survive longer with this than I am capable of. Eventually the mob wears me down.

If the mob is stunnable it won't wear you down since it'll never hit you if you do this right or are you meaning "wear you down" as in run you out of magicka? if that's what you mean, siphoning attacks will avoid this just by making sure you get in a few light attacks with each cycle, on the other hand my NB is pretty well stacked with magicka so might not work as well for other builds, dunno.

At vr12 exactly what vet rank mobs are you beating with this?

my NB is VR 11 and have finished all the quests in every zone, including public dungeons as well as the vast majority of world bosses and I've never had any issues with mobs that are stunnable.

If I face a giant, a troll, a gargoyle, a mammoth, and such, this will not work.
Half the time they hit me through cloak, they don't get stunned so no bonuses from that (and no bonuses from cloak if they see through it) and I get my butt handed to me while slashing light attacks trying to get magicka back up

Like I said, it works as long as it's stunnable, most trolls are easy (they're stunnable), mammoths and gargoyles and certain trolls are tougher (those that are immune to stun and/or can see invisible) but beatable with kiting (I switch back and forth from DW to bow for those mobs along with a healthy dose of dodge ).

Yes obviously I use leeching strikes, what I mean is they wear me down in between those light attacks to get magicka back and having the magicka. Sometimes I can beat on a mob for a good while before I get that bump.

I suck at kiting. I am not entirely sure how it works in this game because it always seems like the mob is right on top of me, and even if they aren't they can hit me from a ridiculously long distance.

Giants are incredibly easy, dodge their AOE attacks (which is like all their attacks) and keep Heated Blade up if you're DW. Trolls are the same way, Gargoyles are the same way, Long as you can keep heated blade up while dodging Red Circles you shouldn't be having trouble with them.

UnholyPerfection

This game is an MMO.