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Plz fix FPS
GamerzElite
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I was getting 50-70 FPS before patch 1.2.4. But after Patch 1.2.4 my FPS drop below 30. Right now I am getting average 25 FPS and In PvP frame drops to 3-4. Complained many times to CC, but still they say We are working on that. How much time U need ZOS.. Make PvP playable...
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CheesyDaedra✭✭✭You could blame the lighting engine they made for 1.2.4, or your PC if it's getting old already.
BTW i love the way you named Customer support as Crowd Control.Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick, it's a very delicate state of mind.5 -
GamerzElite✭✭✭DaedricCheese wrote: »You could blame the lighting engine they made for 1.2.4, or your PC if it's getting old already.
BTW i love the way you named Customer support as Crowd Control.
U mean AMD FX 8350 with R9 290x can't handle ESO.....7 -
CheesyDaedra✭✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »DaedricCheese wrote: »You could blame the lighting engine they made for 1.2.4, or your PC if it's getting old already.
BTW i love the way you named Customer support as Crowd Control.
U mean AMD FX 8350 with R9 290x can't handle ESO.....
Should've bragged in the OP to avoid such reply :P
Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick, it's a very delicate state of mind.2 -
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✭I understand the OP's complaint, but I would like to know how 25fps is not playable?6 -
GamerzElite✭✭✭I understand the OP's complaint, but I would like to know how 25fps is not playable?
25 FPS is average, Suddenly frame drop to 17-20 from 29. See the Pic....tinypic.com/r/24pxg6h/82 -
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Yes. The game bottlenecks in the first core of the CPU and doesn't utilize our GPU to their full potential. This is very irritating, but 25fps is still playable. I think the game begins to lose playability under about 15fps.3 -
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GamerzElite✭✭✭@SFBryan18 I think u didn't read my OP, I was getting 50-70 FPS before 1.2.4 and It suddenly drop to Average 25 FPS (17-29) See the pic:
Edited by GamerzElite on July 31, 2014 12:05AM3 -
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No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
I did read the OP. My comment wasn't about your fps drop, but more about you saying 25fps is unplayable. It's very playable and anyone who says it's too choppy must have vsync off or something.GamerzElite wrote: »@SFBryan18 I think u didn't read my OP, I was getting 50-70 FPS before 1.2.4 and It suddenly drop to Average 25 FPS (17-29) See the pic:Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 12:16AM7 -
GamerzElite✭✭✭nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.
So we paid $60 + $15/Months for 25 FPS game... No matter what hardware I am using.Edited by GamerzElite on July 31, 2014 12:10AM8 -
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✭GamerzElite wrote: »nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.
So we paid $60 + $15/Months for 25 FPS game... No matter what hardware I am using.
Did I say that? You are confusing what you can play with what you should be getting.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 12:13AM5 -
No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
I did read the OP. My comment wasn't about your fps drop, but more about you saying 25fps is unplayable. It's very playable and anyone who says it's too choppy must have vsync off or something.GamerzElite wrote: »@SFBryan18 I think u didn't read my OP, I was getting 50-70 FPS before 1.2.4 and It suddenly drop to Average 25 FPS (17-29) See the pic:
Actually, Anything above 30FPS, average human eye percieves as continuous motion, so saying 25 is choppy is true (as not fluid). I can also clearly see the difference between 35 and 60 FPS (human eye can register 200+ FPS)
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Vsync also has nothing to do with that, the only thing it does is that it synchronizes your graphics cards output to your monitors refresh rate so you don't get "chopped" frames (as chopped in half)
http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-05-02/vsync04.jpgEdited by zivak.zivakeb17_ESO on July 31, 2014 12:57AM3 -
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✭zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »
No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
I did read the OP. My comment wasn't about your fps drop, but more about you saying 25fps is unplayable. It's very playable and anyone who says it's too choppy must have vsync off or something.GamerzElite wrote: »@SFBryan18 I think u didn't read my OP, I was getting 50-70 FPS before 1.2.4 and It suddenly drop to Average 25 FPS (17-29) See the pic:
Actually, Anything above 30FPS, average human eye percieves as continuous motion, so saying 25 is choppy is true (as not fluid). I can also clearly see the difference between 35 and 60 FPS (human eye can register 200+ FPS)
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Vsync also has nothing to do with that, the only thing it does is that it synchronizes your graphics cards output to your monitors refresh rate so you don't get "chopped" frames (as chopped in half)
http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-05-02/vsync04.jpg
At 25 fps, the game is not "choppy" enough to be considered unplayable. It is, in fact, very fluid and hard to even notice the difference between 25-40. You can split hairs all you want, but in reality, it doesn't matter what you "can" notice, it only matters what you do notice, and most people are not nitpicking such an insignificant difference.
From my experience playing on high settings, I get between 20-30 fps outside and 35-45 inside, and I really don't notice a difference at all. Maybe because there are other factors involved besides only fps. Even when I turn my settings to Ultra and get 13fps while it's raining, the game is still playable, though the player and movement do become slightly "choppy".
Maybe it is just because my CPU and GPU can deliver the picture flawlessly using certain settings which make frame rate much less of an issue. I'm sure your system delivers a great picture. It's just not that much better than mine, and my laptop isn't pinned down to one location. :P
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on July 31, 2014 2:59AM4 -
zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »
No, it's not choppy. You don't know what you're talking about.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »
I did read the OP. My comment wasn't about your fps drop, but more about you saying 25fps is unplayable. It's very playable and anyone who says it's too choppy must have vsync off or something.GamerzElite wrote: »@SFBryan18 I think u didn't read my OP, I was getting 50-70 FPS before 1.2.4 and It suddenly drop to Average 25 FPS (17-29) See the pic:
Actually, Anything above 30FPS, average human eye percieves as continuous motion, so saying 25 is choppy is true (as not fluid). I can also clearly see the difference between 35 and 60 FPS (human eye can register 200+ FPS)
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Vsync also has nothing to do with that, the only thing it does is that it synchronizes your graphics cards output to your monitors refresh rate so you don't get "chopped" frames (as chopped in half)
http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-05-02/vsync04.jpg
At 25 fps, the game is not "choppy" enough to be considered unplayable. It is, in fact, very fluid and hard to even notice the difference between 25-40. You can split hairs all you want, but in reality, it doesn't matter what you "can" notice, it only matters what you do notice, and most people are not nitpicking such an insignificant difference.
From my experience playing on high settings, I get between 20-30 fps outside and 35-45 inside, and I really don't notice a difference at all. Maybe because there are other factors involved besides only fps. Even when I turn my settings to Ultra and get 13fps while it's raining, the game is still playable, though the player and movement do become slightly "choppy".
Maybe it is just because my CPU and GPU can deliver the picture flawlessly using certain settings which make frame rate much less of an issue.
Well in that case it must be pretty individual, since for me even the difference between 30 and 40 is very noticeable and the moment I get less then 30FPS the game becomes almost unplayable for me. Anything less then 25 and my eyes hurt...
Also, The only way your system could deliver a "flawless" FPS is if it were at the cap of your monitors refresh rate (60FPS I assume) or maybe on 30 (one GPU frame per 2 refresh cycles of the monitor) since for it to be percieved as flawless it also has to be constant (not fluctuating)
I am however starting to doubt your seriousness since you said 13FPS is playable, and if you indeed are, you should really reconsider using the sentence "You don't know what you're talking about." ever againEdited by zivak.zivakeb17_ESO on July 31, 2014 1:26AM2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, I have a 3D laptop monitor which is capped at 60Hz, but capable of 120Hz. If you don't believe me, this is my laptop:
http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G74SX/
And 13fps is playable, though very choppy.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 1:28AM2 -
Well, I have a 3D laptop monitor which is capped at 60Hz, but capable of 120Hz. If you don't believe me, this is my laptop:
http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G74SX/
And 13fps is playable, though very choppy.
Well, by that logic as long as the game runs, it is playable even with the monitor turned off...
Playable in this context doesn't mean "does it run and can I control my character?" but "can I experience and enjoy the game at acceptable level?"
For most people this threshold is 30+ FPS, though you might be special
BTW what you say about 13FPS, I would say about 25... anything less and it stops being playableEdited by zivak.zivakeb17_ESO on July 31, 2014 1:36AM2 -
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✭zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »Well, I have a 3D laptop monitor which is capped at 60Hz, but capable of 120Hz. If you don't believe me, this is my laptop:
http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G74SX/
And 13fps is playable, though very choppy.
Well, by that logic as long as the game runs, it is playable even with the monitor turned off...
Playable in this context doesn't mean "does it run and can I control my character?" but "can I experience and enjoy the game at acceptable level?"
For most people this threshold is 30+ FPS, though you might be special
You kind of proved that I am special because my monitor has a high refresh rate which delivers a flawless picture, so obviously, fps is not the only thing to consider. People experiencing unplayable "choppiness" might have their monitors to blame. This is the same thing told to people experiencing huge lag in first person shooters. Some monitors and HDTV's needs to be put into a "gaming" mode to deliver a higher refresh rate, and some people just have inferior hardware.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 1:39AM2 -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭I played an MMO for 2 years with an average of 10-15 fps, occasionally with 20. Got below 10 in dungeons and around 5 in raids and mass pvp. I was a healer and was considered a good one so I kinda got used to low fps. I'm not sure it is good but 25 fps is anytging but unplayable.
Edit: *I'm not saying it is good...
Dammit, autocorrect!Edited by Csub on July 31, 2014 3:08AM"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn2 -
zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »Well, I have a 3D laptop monitor which is capped at 60Hz, but capable of 120Hz. If you don't believe me, this is my laptop:
http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G74SX/
And 13fps is playable, though very choppy.
Well, by that logic as long as the game runs, it is playable even with the monitor turned off...
Playable in this context doesn't mean "does it run and can I control my character?" but "can I experience and enjoy the game at acceptable level?"
For most people this threshold is 30+ FPS, though you might be special
You kind of proved that I am special because my monitor has a high refresh rate which delivers a flawless picture, so obviously, fps is not the only thing to consider. People experiencing unplayable "choppiness" might have their monitors to blame. This is the same thing told to people experiencing huge lag in first person shooters. Some monitors and HDTV's needs to be put into a "gaming" mode to deliver a higher refresh rate, and some people just have inferior hardware.
You yourself said it was capped at 60Hz, so nothing special about that. I see you are all happy about your ROG Asus, but seriously, your monitors refresh rate has nothing to do with "flawlessness" of the picture (whatever that means)
It is just the cap, meaning the highest FPS your hardware is physically able to deliver, but if you have 25 FPS, it is still only 25FPS... Not even 240Hz monitor can make that better...
And by special I meant special person who really seriously cant see the difference between 25 and 35 FPS (30%) and for whom 13FPS is playable and doesn't make their eyes bleed...
Who am I to say I don't believe you? I just doubt there are a whole bunch of similar people, hence you are special
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✭zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »Well, I have a 3D laptop monitor which is capped at 60Hz, but capable of 120Hz. If you don't believe me, this is my laptop:
http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G74SX/
And 13fps is playable, though very choppy.
Well, by that logic as long as the game runs, it is playable even with the monitor turned off...
Playable in this context doesn't mean "does it run and can I control my character?" but "can I experience and enjoy the game at acceptable level?"
For most people this threshold is 30+ FPS, though you might be special
You kind of proved that I am special because my monitor has a high refresh rate which delivers a flawless picture, so obviously, fps is not the only thing to consider. People experiencing unplayable "choppiness" might have their monitors to blame. This is the same thing told to people experiencing huge lag in first person shooters. Some monitors and HDTV's needs to be put into a "gaming" mode to deliver a higher refresh rate, and some people just have inferior hardware.
You yourself said it was capped at 60Hz, so nothing special about that. I see you are all happy about your ROG Asus, but seriously, your monitors refresh rate has nothing to do with "flawlessness" of the picture (whatever that means)
It is just the cap, meaning the highest FPS your hardware is physically able to deliver, but if you have 25 FPS, it is still only 25FPS... Not even 240Hz monitor can make that better...
But I'm not losing any frames like you are because my nvidia does a really nice job at syncing my frames to my monitor.zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »Who am I to say I don't believe you? I just doubt there are a whole bunch of similar people, hence you are special
The post above yours shows that I am not too special. Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 1:54AM2 -
But I'm not losing any frames like you are.
60Hz is a standard, so I don't see why should I loose any more or less frames...
Also, if there is no FPS fluctuation, the frame should linger for at least 2 monitors refresh cycles, so I dont see why should I or anyone else loose any frames at all...
The point with the HDTVs is often made because typically they operate on 30Hz...
Edited by zivak.zivakeb17_ESO on July 31, 2014 2:02AM0 -
zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »
But I'm not losing any frames like you are.
60Hz is a standard, so I don't see why should I loose any more or less frames...
Also, if there is no FPS fluctuation, the frame should linger for at least 2 monitors refresh cycles, so I dont see why should I or anyone else loose any frames at all...
The point with the HDTVs is often made because typically they operate on 30Hz...
Did you know that 60Hz means the picture is only changing 30 times per second?
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/refresh-rate1.htm
Any yet you are claiming that you notice a difference, but your monitor is only delivering 30fps max. Wow. Take placebos much?
And that is the difference between standard LCD monitor and interlaced television technology (meaning that it technically shows two frames at once...)
If you only took the time to read and understand your own source links
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zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »
But I'm not losing any frames like you are.
60Hz is a standard, so I don't see why should I loose any more or less frames...
Also, if there is no FPS fluctuation, the frame should linger for at least 2 monitors refresh cycles, so I dont see why should I or anyone else loose any frames at all...
The point with the HDTVs is often made because typically they operate on 30Hz...
Did you know that 60Hz means the picture is only changing 30 times per second?
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/refresh-rate1.htm
Any yet you are claiming that you notice a difference, but your monitor is only delivering 30fps max. Wow. Take placebos much?
And that is the difference between standard LCD monitor and interlaced television technology...
If you only took the time to read and understand your own source links
How did what you say make any sense? I was talking about interlaced.
Well, basically that is the TV technology - not used by laptop or PC monitors, so unless you are assuming I play on a TV...
And even interlaced technically displays 60 frames per second... As I said, read your own link...
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Or you could give the new EU server a few days at least for the dust to settle. You do understand there's probably 3-10x the normal volume of players testing out the newly migrated EU server all at once since it went up today right?GamerzElite wrote: »I was getting 50-70 FPS before patch 1.2.4. But after Patch 1.2.4 my FPS drop below 30. Right now I am getting average 25 FPS and In PvP frame drops to 3-4. Complained many times to CC, but still they say We are working on that. How much time U need ZOS.. Make PvP playable...1 -
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✭zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »zivak.zivakeb17_ESO wrote: »
But I'm not losing any frames like you are.
60Hz is a standard, so I don't see why should I loose any more or less frames...
Also, if there is no FPS fluctuation, the frame should linger for at least 2 monitors refresh cycles, so I dont see why should I or anyone else loose any frames at all...
The point with the HDTVs is often made because typically they operate on 30Hz...
Did you know that 60Hz means the picture is only changing 30 times per second?
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/refresh-rate1.htm
Any yet you are claiming that you notice a difference, but your monitor is only delivering 30fps max. Wow. Take placebos much?
And that is the difference between standard LCD monitor and interlaced television technology...
If you only took the time to read and understand your own source links
How did what you say make any sense? I was talking about interlaced.
Well, basically that is the TV technology - not used by laptop or PC monitors, so unless you are assuming I play on a TV...
And even interlaced technically displays 60 frames per second... As I said, read your own link...
Well, I'm looking for more information about progressive 60Hz and frame rates, and it appears they are not tied together, but you are so quick to criticize that I think you should provide some source links about things you are saying. From all the information I have read, higher fps makes animation look better, but standard movies are 24fps, so it is far from unplayable. So no matter what you were trying to prove, my original statement was that 25fps is not unplayable, and if you think that is not true, then you provide some proof, because I play the game at 25fps and it looks fine.
Here's a good description of refresh rate:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html
"If your FPS is higher than your refresh rate at any time, your monitor will not actually be able to display all of these frames, and some will come out with a graphical glitch known as Tearing."Edited by SFBryan18 on July 31, 2014 2:57AM2
