Nightblade Sneak Speed

Enjinir

Hey All,

I've been trying to figure out a build to allow high sneak speed without going vamp. Hopefully the new Night's Silence will work properly and increase 60%. I also know that the Concealed Weapon morph of Veiled Strike can increase 25% while the ability is slotted. That's 85% total, assuming they stack (do they?). Are there any other non-Vamp things I can do to boost this?

Tigeracer

Not sure this will help you but path of darkness and it's morphs before you go invisible will give you 25% + 50% = 75%
So provided the nights silence bonus works, that would be 135% sneak speed.

Beldorr

When stealth running dungeons I would just rapid maneuver, concealed weapon on bar and keep recloaking right before it runs out. You get going very quick, just hit sneak where ever you rest or reapply rapid. You could also pick up the steed mundus for +10% movement.

The video is sped up, however you can see what I do.

Enjinir

That video doesn't seem to be working for me, but regardless of that, it is good to know that regular movement speed buffs do affect sneak speed as well (if I am correctly garnering that from your mention of using the steed mundus and the Assault line movement speed buff.)

So;
Night's Silence = 60% PASSIVE (5-set bonus)
Concealed Weapon = 25% PASSIVE (1 action slot)
Steed Mundus = 10% PASSIVE (sole mundus slot)
Rapid Maneuver = 20% ACTIVE (cost stamina, 20 sec)

I haven't yet used Path of Darkness... It says it deals damage. Do you have to deal damage to get its speed bonus? It would seem counteractive if I've got to snag aggro before sneaking.

If not, that brings a total to 95% passive with a 165% max burst for 10 seconds.

Beldorr

Path of darkness is a 3x15m ground aoe, can be morphed to larger area. So if your just moving 15m go for it, but any enemy on the aoe will decloak you.

Also, weapons sheathed will allow you to move faster. not sure about the % in sneak, but its 10% walk or sprint. I use Ravspeed mod to test movement speeds.

Grim13

Enjinir wrote: »

That video doesn't seem to be working for me, but regardless of that, it is good to know that regular movement speed buffs do affect sneak speed as well (if I am correctly garnering that from your mention of using the steed mundus and the Assault line movement speed buff.)

So;
Night's Silence = 60% PASSIVE (5-set bonus)
Concealed Weapon = 25% PASSIVE (1 action slot)
Steed Mundus = 10% PASSIVE (sole mundus slot)
Rapid Maneuver = 20% ACTIVE (cost stamina, 20 sec)

I haven't yet used Path of Darkness... It says it deals damage. Do you have to deal damage to get its speed bonus? It would seem counteractive if I've got to snag aggro before sneaking.

If not, that brings a total to 95% passive with a 165% max burst for 10 seconds.

I thought Steed affected sprint speed only, not stealth speed?

Gilvoth

path of darkness completely takes you OUT of stealth because it causes the enemy damage over time. as soon as that spell ends you will then go back into invisibility. which makes it as a skill totaly useless. unless your only intention was to get distance between you and the enemy.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Grim13 wrote: »

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Enjinir wrote: »

That video doesn't seem to be working for me, but regardless of that, it is good to know that regular movement speed buffs do affect sneak speed as well (if I am correctly garnering that from your mention of using the steed mundus and the Assault line movement speed buff.)

So;
Night's Silence = 60% PASSIVE (5-set bonus)
Concealed Weapon = 25% PASSIVE (1 action slot)
Steed Mundus = 10% PASSIVE (sole mundus slot)
Rapid Maneuver = 20% ACTIVE (cost stamina, 20 sec)

I haven't yet used Path of Darkness... It says it deals damage. Do you have to deal damage to get its speed bonus? It would seem counteractive if I've got to snag aggro before sneaking.

If not, that brings a total to 95% passive with a 165% max burst for 10 seconds.

I thought Steed affected sprint speed only, not stealth speed?

Steed affects all movement.

Beldorr

I went and tested sheathed weapon as well, it doesn't effect sneak speed. Just walk and sprint speeds.

Steed does increase stealth speed

Nestor

I think the character looks better with weapons out while sneaking. Why we have to sneak with our arms out is not something I understand. It looks like we are trying to balance on a rope or something. If our arms are going to be out, might as well carry something.

LunaRae

Enjinir wrote: »

So;
Night's Silence = 60% PASSIVE (5-set bonus)
Concealed Weapon = 25% PASSIVE (1 action slot)
Steed Mundus = 10% PASSIVE (sole mundus slot)
Rapid Maneuver = 20% ACTIVE (cost stamina, 20 sec)

NS = 60% (they confirmed it will work for patch 1.3)
CW = only for shadowy disguise/dark cloak, not for crouch/sneak.
Steed = 10%
Retreating Maneuver = 33% (this is the morphed version for more speed)
Potion of movespeed in any flavor = some number (unsure) of extra movespeed http://tamrieljournal.com/list-of-useful-potions-and-alchemy-reagents-in-eso/

And a few over the top bonus'
Hasty Retreat - dodge roll passive on bow line to give 30% ms for 2 seconds (impractical, but style points?)
Enchant 3 accessories with potion bonus to increase the movespeed gained and duration of your movespeed potions
Enchant ALL gear legendary with all divine trait for enhanced steed bonus (very costly, extremely silly but super flashy and cool?)

I think you got some options needless to say for movespeed fun

kijima

This is the exact path I'm going.

Nights silence, with steed mundas (and mundas % enchantments on some gear) with concealed weapon on my bar. Should make for a slippery character in medium armour.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

So is this equivalent to Dark Stalker? I have Steed on my Vampire Witch and the sneak is about the same as normal run.

CapuchinSeven

LunaRae wrote: »

Hasty Retreat - dodge roll passive on bow line to give 30% ms for 2 seconds (impractical, but style points?)

You' be surprised, it's pretty useful at times when running away, dodge roll, Dark Cloak and you'd be surprised at the distance you can get on your foes when you need to, chain them and it's pretty useful.

LunaRae

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LunaRae wrote: »

Hasty Retreat - dodge roll passive on bow line to give 30% ms for 2 seconds (impractical, but style points?)

You' be surprised, it's pretty useful at times when running away, dodge roll, Dark Cloak and you'd be surprised at the distance you can get on your foes when you need to, chain them and it's pretty useful.

Yea for sure! I run a bow so I definitely have this passive as well. I've got all these movespeed buffs, I have a lot of fun

There are even some more shenanigans to be had in 1.3 (maybe even in current I'm not sure). Was on PTS and had access to a set that gives 100% ms bonus for 3 seconds after killing an enemy, that alone was causing me to move very fast. So keep on leveling and there will be some goodies to work for

Vizier

Enjinir wrote: »

Hey All,

I've been trying to figure out a build to allow high sneak speed without going vamp. Hopefully the new Night's Silence will work properly and increase 60%. I also know that the Concealed Weapon morph of Veiled Strike can increase 25% while the ability is slotted. That's 85% total, assuming they stack (do they?). Are there any other non-Vamp things I can do to boost this?

Combination gear and don't forget the "Steed" mundus stone. It's a significant boost.

Artis

They need to take vamps passive and give it to NBs. It's ridiculous and illogical, that NB who are supposed to be masters of stealth, have no considerable advantage compared to other classes(regarding stealth). Something has to be done.

Enjinir

Artemis wrote: »

They need to take vamps passive and give it to NBs. It's ridiculous and illogical, that NB who are supposed to be masters of stealth, have no considerable advantage compared to other classes(regarding stealth). Something has to be done.

I completely agree. It sucks that, as a Nightblade, I have to accept the drawbacks (both in mechanics and RP) of being a Vampire to be among the best sneaks in Tamriel.

Varicite

Artemis wrote: »

They need to take vamps passive and give it to NBs. It's ridiculous and illogical, that NB who are supposed to be masters of stealth, have no considerable advantage compared to other classes(regarding stealth). Something has to be done.

What do you call a 25% stealth movement speed, in-combat invis, and shadow barrier passive?

Seems like an advantage over other classes regarding stealth to me.

They are masters of it, not the only class that should be effective w/ it.

Tankqull

Varicite wrote: »

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Artemis wrote: »

They need to take vamps passive and give it to NBs. It's ridiculous and illogical, that NB who are supposed to be masters of stealth, have no considerable advantage compared to other classes(regarding stealth). Something has to be done.

What do you call a 25% stealth movement speed, in-combat invis, and shadow barrier passive?

Seems like an advantage over other classes regarding stealth to me.

They are masters of it, not the only class that should be effective w/ it.

this.

Enjinir

True, but a vamp non-NB outsneaking a non-vamp NB, I think is where a flag should be raised.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Artemis wrote: »

They need to take vamps passive and give it to NBs. It's ridiculous and illogical, that NB who are supposed to be masters of stealth, have no considerable advantage compared to other classes(regarding stealth). Something has to be done.

No. NBs have lots of sneak capability and can use it to critical. Vampires are natural sneakers, part of what they are. We have to sneak to feed even.

My Vampire Witch uses Dark Stalker and it's just perfect for a creature of the night.

My VR3 Vampire NB son uses the whole suite to great effect. He can smoke through a dungeon without fighting anyone but the boss. My Witch is good, but he is ridiculous.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Does vampire sneak speed stack with all the aforementioned boosts? You could go faster than a horse if so I think.

I really don't want to be a vampire, they are so ugly. ZOS please switch that passive to NBs.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Does vampire sneak speed stack with all the aforementioned boosts? You could go faster than a horse if so I think.

I really don't want to be a vampire, they are so ugly. ZOS please switch that passive to NBs.

Yes, my son sneaks faster than a normal run. My witch sneaks at about the same speed as a normal run.

Ugly, it's a Vampire! You are probably a Twilight type. Beautiful sexy Vampires are so dumb.

Anyhoo, you can use Bosmer and some Breton hats that come with a face cloth, you can just see their eyes, or do like I do, stay in first person.

VinnOmniusVeritas

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

My VR3 Vampire NB son uses the whole suite to great effect. He can smoke through a dungeon without fighting anyone but the boss. My Witch is good, but he is ridiculous.

My non-Vamp Bosmer NB does the same thing all the time. He's maxed out in everything sneaky and stealthy for just that purpose. I laugh when I sneak between two hostile NPCs who are actually "talking' to one another and they never saw me. That's not to say the eye didn't start to open, but it didn't open wide enough nor stay open long enough for them to detect me.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

VinnOmniusVeritas wrote: »

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poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

My VR3 Vampire NB son uses the whole suite to great effect. He can smoke through a dungeon without fighting anyone but the boss. My Witch is good, but he is ridiculous.

My non-Vamp Bosmer NB does the same thing all the time. He's maxed out in everything sneaky and stealthy for just that purpose. I laugh when I sneak between two hostile NPCs who are actually "talking' to one another and they never saw me. That's not to say the eye didn't start to open, but it didn't open wide enough nor stay open long enough for them to detect me.

Yeah! That is exactly right. My Vampire Witch, with only the Light Armor #1 sneak skill, can move so fast sneaked, that the eye opens a bit, then closes. It does take real skill though to use it well..

DeLindsay

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

path of darkness completely takes you OUT of stealth because it causes the enemy damage over time. as soon as that spell ends you will then go back into invisibility. which makes it as a skill totaly useless. unless your only intention was to get distance between you and the enemy.

Partially incorrect, as long as Path doesn't HIT any NPC's or Players you will stay Stealthed and gain a speed boost for the length of it. But if any NPC/Player wanders into it before it dissipates then yes your comment is correct.

LunaRae wrote: »

NS = 60% (they confirmed it will work for patch 1.3)
CW = only for shadowy disguise/dark cloak, not for crouch/sneak.

CW does in fact work for Sneaking, it just takes about 3-5 meters to engage.

Also once the NS 5pc is live it's almost a Sneak penalty negation so is great news for those who don't want to be a Vampire.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Does vampire sneak speed stack with all the aforementioned boosts? You could go faster than a horse if so I think.

I really don't want to be a vampire, they are so ugly. ZOS please switch that passive to NBs.

Dark Stalker in Vampire doesn't stack with the Shadow Dancer set (current Sneak penalty negation set) and I'd guess that it won't stack with the 1.3 NS set once it's live but we don't know for sure yet. More to point, if ZoS allows the new NS 5pc to stack with Dark Stalker I can pretty much guarantee a non-stop flood of threads on the forums screaming for Vampires to be nerfed again. Yes it stacks with The Steed, Speed pots, CW ability in NB and Retreating Maneuvers.