Impenetrable Fix

Pixysticks

Would be nice to get this change in before 1.3, so PvP sets won't be useless.

At least one of these three changes needs to happen:

1.) Make impenetrable not overpowered. If Impenetrable was -2% crit a piece instead of -10%, it would still be better than every other trait in PvP.
2.) Put impenetrable on every piece of PvP gear
3.) Make it so you can change the trait of a piece of gear like you can change an enchant.

I don't care which you do, just please do it before 1.3 drops. TY.

Pancake-Tragedy

I agree, impenetrable really needs to change.

Nala_

agreed.

p.s. AD...please make pixysticks emperor.

signed,
DC

Pixysticks

lol, thanks but Perma is too far ahead. I gave up on getting it until new campaign starts.

pitdemon_ESO

IMO this is one mechanic needs to stay (and I play a DW Nightblade).

The TTK is a bit short in PvP currently. There are new stat caps in 1.3 but without the crit deduction we'd be back at the 2-3 shot kills of early beta

Pixysticks

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

IMO this is one mechanic needs to stay (and I play a DW Nightblade).

The TTK is a bit short in PvP currently. There are new stat caps in 1.3 but without the crit deduction we'd be back at the 2-3 shot kills of early beta

NBs still do 2-3 shot kills even with 700 Impenetrable. Anyway, no one being able to crit isn't a fix to people dying too quickly. If that is your fix please take being able to crit out of the game permanently, so people don't have to only wear gear with impenetrable on it.

Thechemicals

So a defense against the most widely used as a main stat, being critical hit, should be nerfed.....
Sorry but no. You will never see a nerf to impenetrable because crit is simply too powerful in pvp.

Kewljag_66_ESO

In a game where its mostly offensive damage and people dieing in 4 seconds this is actually one of the few things that helps to balance the game. if anything we need more things like this trait.

"Wait..... I am a sorc and i didnt kill someone from max range with 3 shards...... this is unacceptable, we need to get rid of impenatrable trait, i must insta kill people"

Nala_

mfw random pugs read OPs post in which he lists solutions as "putting impen on all pvp gear", or "make it so you can change traits on gear so any set can be changed to have impen", and assumes he is complaining and accuses him of being a sorc that cant kill people instantly and is upset.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Pixysticks wrote: »

Would be nice to get this change in before 1.3, so PvP sets won't be useless.

At least one of these three changes needs to happen:

1.) Make impenetrable not overpowered. If Impenetrable was -2% crit a piece instead of -10%, it would still be better than every other trait in PvP.
2.) Put impenetrable on every piece of PvP gear
3.) Make it so you can change the trait of a piece of gear like you can change an enchant.

I don't care which you do, just please do it before 1.3 drops. TY.

Not another "Booooohoooo I cannot kill someone with 1 hit from stealth".

Impenetrable is the only defence atm at PvP. If they remove the critical damage stat, then ZoS can remove the Impenetrable.

Until there, no matter how much you QQ I do not care.
(I run around with 5 gold impenetrable which means you will never crit damage me)

Pixysticks

tl;dr- this thread

Pixysticks wrote: »

Would be nice to get this change in before 1.3, so PvP sets won't be useless:

At least one of these three changes needs to happen:

2.) Put impenetrable on every piece of PvP gear

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

"Wait..... I am a sorc and i didnt kill someone from max range with 3 shards...... this is unacceptable, we need to get rid of impenatrable trait, i must insta kill people"

Nala_ wrote: »

mfw random pugs read OPs post in which he lists solutions as "putting impen on all pvp gear", or "make it so you can change traits on gear so any set can be changed to have impen", and assumes he is complaining and accuses him of being a sorc that cant kill people instantly and is upset.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Not another "Booooohoooo I cannot kill someone with 1 hit from stealth".

no matter how much you QQ I do not care.
(I run around with 5 gold impenetrable which means you will never crit damage me)

pitdemon_ESO

Pixysticks wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

IMO this is one mechanic needs to stay (and I play a DW Nightblade).

The TTK is a bit short in PvP currently. There are new stat caps in 1.3 but without the crit deduction we'd be back at the 2-3 shot kills of early beta

NBs still do 2-3 shot kills even with 700 Impenetrable. Anyway, no one being able to crit isn't a fix to people dying too quickly. If that is your fix please take being able to crit out of the game permanently, so people don't have to only wear gear with impenetrable on it.

Last I checked you can get 60% melee crit or so with gear, DW/daggers, passives, etc. In 1.3 you will be able to far surpass that with the new incremental 2,3, and 4 set pieces for melee coming out.

The max you will be able to deduct from armor traits is -49% crit while using both hands or -56% crit with 1h/Shield. I'd say that's fairly balanced and gives players exactly what they want when deciding on gear and builds - choices.

Want to be a glass cannon? Go for it, but don't cry when you stick your head out of the zerg bubble and get it chopped off for your effort.



If you want to complain about Snipe being overpowered (not a NB skill for the record), go for it, but that has nothing to do with using diamonds on your gear.

Pancake-Tragedy

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

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If you want to complain about Snipe being overpowered (not a NB skill for the record), go for it, but that has nothing to do with using diamonds on your gear.

Who said anything about Snipe?

Pixysticks

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

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If you want to complain about Snipe being overpowered (not a NB skill for the record), go for it, but that has nothing to do with using diamonds on your gear.

Who said anything about Snipe?

People read one line and jump to a conclusion, then go off tangent, then start complaining about Tom Cruise movies.

Pancake-Tragedy

Back on topic:

So, there is no other reason to use any other trait besides Impenetrable for pvp. All of the other traits give you a negligible bonus compared to the survivability you get from impenetrable.

You can still be a glass cannon spec when you trait your gear impenetrable, you just prevent yourself from being critted. So here soon, everyone that wants to be competitive in pvp will be wearing it, just like everyone is currently using light armor and staves.

If one trait is required to be competitive in pvp, then I would say there is something wrong with that trait.

Irissa

The way I read Pixy's suggestions are more to do with the fact that the PvP sets as they currently stand are useless or not as valuable - as in not worth wearing when compared to Impenetrable gear sets.

We all want the best set of well rounded gear (ie dmg + defence), regardless of our class/playstyle/build.

So either putting Impen traits on the set gear, reducing Impen to be more in line with other stats so there are more choices, or allowing a TRAIT change on Set gear makes perfect sense.

Brandoid

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Back on topic:

So, there is no other reason to use any other trait besides Impenetrable for pvp. All of the other traits give you a negligible bonus compared to the survivability you get from impenetrable.

You can still be a glass cannon spec when you trait your gear impenetrable, you just prevent yourself from being critted. So here soon, everyone that wants to be competitive in pvp will be wearing it, just like everyone is currently using light armor and staves.

If one trait is required to be competitive in pvp, then I would say there is something wrong with that trait.

I would say there is something wrong with the other traits. The only ones that have any use even outside of pvp are infused(on head, legs, and torso only), divines(only if you go full divines), and training.

Pancake-Tragedy

@brandoid I could agree with that, but power creep becomes an issue if the trend continues of "keep buffing everything".

Brandoid

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

@brandoid I could agree with that, but power creep becomes an issue if the trend continues of "keep buffing everything".

Nerfing impen doesn't make the other traits any more useful.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Even with the great survivabilty of Impenatrable most people in PVP do not use it and go with more offenseive traits or infused. Smart players will use 4 pieces of imp on the 4 minor armor pieces, there really is no need for more. you have 3 major pieces to the otherr traits on. but the people who actually do this is very small

Pixysticks

Irissa wrote: »

The way I read Pixy's suggestions are more to do with the fact that the PvP sets as they currently stand are useless or not as valuable - as in not worth wearing when compared to Impenetrable gear sets.

Yes.

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Back on topic:

So, there is no other reason to use any other trait besides Impenetrable for pvp. All of the other traits give you a negligible bonus compared to the survivability you get from impenetrable.

You can still be a glass cannon spec when you trait your gear impenetrable, you just prevent yourself from being critted. So here soon, everyone that wants to be competitive in pvp will be wearing it, just like everyone is currently using light armor and staves.

If one trait is required to be competitive in pvp, then I would say there is something wrong with that trait.

Yes.

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Even with the great survivabilty of Impenatrable most people in PVP do not use it and go with more offenseive traits or infused. Smart players will use 4 pieces of imp on the 4 minor armor pieces, there really is no need for more. you have 3 major pieces to the otherr traits on. but the people who actually do this is very small

You need more than 4 pieces of impen.

Garetth

Has anyone called the waaaaaambulance for the OP?

Nala_

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Even with the great survivabilty of Impenatrable most people in PVP do not use it and go with more offenseive traits or infused. Smart players will use 4 pieces of imp on the 4 minor armor pieces, there really is no need for more. you have 3 major pieces to the otherr traits on. but the people who actually do this is very small

even with 70% impen youll still randomly get crit, really no reason not to just use 7 pieces. but its funny how youre trying to actually add something to the conversation without apologizing to OP after you derailed it with your "omg you cant nerf impen youre a sorc who cant kill people in 3 crystal frags" because you didnt read his post before commenting, lol.

pitdemon_ESO

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

Pancake-Tragedy

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

Oh really? Ambush + nearly any other skill also fits that bill.

Nala_

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

try ambush/ambush/conceal, dead before the animation for breakstun finishes with 2.7k hp and 700 impen.

Pancake-Tragedy

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

Oh, you can also do combat prayer + ambush + any other skill.

Pixysticks

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

Every other NB I see ambushes me for 1.3k+ from stealth, I also use full impen.

But now this thread should probably be closed before people start accusing it of being about NBs doing overpowered damage.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Nala_ wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Even with the great survivabilty of Impenatrable most people in PVP do not use it and go with more offenseive traits or infused. Smart players will use 4 pieces of imp on the 4 minor armor pieces, there really is no need for more. you have 3 major pieces to the otherr traits on. but the people who actually do this is very small

even with 70% impen youll still randomly get crit, really no reason not to just use 7 pieces. but its funny how youre trying to actually add something to the conversation without apologizing to OP after you derailed it with your "omg you cant nerf impen youre a sorc who cant kill people in 3 crystal frags" because you didnt read his post before commenting, lol.

Actually i did read it, and that comment wasnt aimed at the OP, it was aimed at the sorcs who usually claim about critical surge and their crit shards not critting and they expect to always be able to faceroll everyone. It was also to lighten up the mood with a silly comment people could actually visualize a sorc playing saying, I never said the OP was a sorc or it was at them.

Why do i need to apologize? i think the trait is works well and is needed the way it is. Something needs to be their to counter crit damage and it does it well. Thre trait doesnt touch base damage which is the majority of damage. Instead of crit damage to you can also go spell damage or weapon damage which the trait does nothing against.

Like i said this an offensive heavy game, we need thing like imp trait the way they are, nerfing it would just make the game even more offensive heavy. Could the other traits use a buff? yes. but nothing that will add more offense to the game.

As for 4 pieces of the imp trait...... Most people are not at or over 50% crit. 40% will cover most enemy players and you get the full effect of 40% crit reduction from the 4 minor armor pieces. The other 3 pieces chest, legs, helm are more valuable to some other traits, you get more armor and stats points form the traits, especially health with infused. Already having 4 impenatrable pieces you will already be taking all the crit chance away from most enemys, any more pieces with it and you will be getting dimenished returns or nothing at all. Yes in some cases you would want 5 pieces and the only exception is NBs using crit cloak where you coulnt counter all their crit. But % wise and the best all around against all enemies you only need the 4 minor pieces imp traited

Kewljag_66_ESO

Nala_ wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Who said anything about Snipe?

It's the only ability that allows you to 2-3 shot someone regularly with more than 2k HP in PvP.

I just assumed you knew what you were talking about. My apologies, won't happen again

try ambush/ambush/conceal, dead before the animation for breakstun finishes with 2.7k hp and 700 impen.

There is no reason to ambush / ambush. that skill is a cap closer. if you are alrdy on the target Conceal does alot more damage and cost less to use.

Ambush /conceal/conceal is what they should be doing.

If they are really good they will land a sneak attack with Conceal.

If they go for Suprise morph over conceal they will do even more damage which most NBs do

Ambush from a sneak attack is close to a 3 second stun, Conceal or Suprise sneak atatck hits alot harder and is a 5 second stun

Ifthir_ESO

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Want to be a glass cannon? Go for it, but don't cry when you stick your head out of the zerg bubble and get it chopped off for your effort.