ZOS - you have backed yourself into a corner - Loyalty Program is the answer
The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage that occurred on these forums (whether warranted or not is being discussed in another forum thread) has created a problem. ZoS can not ever offer any incentives or perks to get more people to join without also feeling they have to give them to existing customers now.
Solution: (and I am sure this will only appeal to the more sensible of the rabid fan-base) would be a loyalty program. A lot of MMOs have it i.e. once you have subscribed for X amount of time you get a free pet, mount, trinket, dye etc. FFXIV was actually very generous with theirs, giving stuff once a month. I would rather have something a little less regular, perhaps once every 3 months - but have the gift be more meaningful (pets and mounts for example).
Discuss!
Solution: (and I am sure this will only appeal to the more sensible of the rabid fan-base) would be a loyalty program. A lot of MMOs have it i.e. once you have subscribed for X amount of time you get a free pet, mount, trinket, dye etc. FFXIV was actually very generous with theirs, giving stuff once a month. I would rather have something a little less regular, perhaps once every 3 months - but have the gift be more meaningful (pets and mounts for example).
Discuss!
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Good point. I guess they need to implement a better storage system for mounts and pets before they did this. FFXIV also had separate storage areas for those things.2
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✭✭I'm all for a loyalty program. Star Wars Galaxies is one of the games that did it right.1 -
Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heh. Puppy-Gate :P
Also... I still can't grasp how much outrage there was over a vanity pet.I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server11 -
Arsenic_Touch✭✭✭✭✭
✭Where exactly did they cave? getting tired of people spreading misinformation.
You people need to stop beating a dead horse, like yesterday. They didn't back themselves into a corner, a few temper tantrums on the forums do not equate to being backed into a corner. You people continue to act like this is the first time an mmo has done this or steam for that matter when it's not the case.Edited by Arsenic_Touch on July 21, 2014 11:06PM☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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nudel✭✭✭✭✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage...
*snip*
Did I miss a news bulletin somewhere? I thought the dog was still just a Steam exclusive.
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Loyalty rewards are a good idea. Rewards for being subbed on a particular date are nice. Rewards for being subbed a certain amount of days are nice, too, as long as the offer stays open perpetually so everyone can get them as long as they stay subbed for long enough.
As to "puppy-gate," I've said in another thread that ZOS could have avoided a lot of brouhaha by making the Steam pet a Kwama Scrib or something else that would be as unwanted as a mudcrab. (Not all brouhaha, mind you. Somewhere out there. somebody is pining for a Kwama Scrib pet.)"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭for EQ it was yearly, but it was a long time before it even existed.
They had a /claim command where all that stuff went, (yearly rewards were actually abilities, like being able to summon a banker once a day,) so it didn't sit in your mailbox or take up inventory space (unless you claimed it.)
It doesn't seem like the game is old enough for loyalty rewards tho.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Woolenthreads✭✭✭✭
I remember at one christmas, CCP gave Eve players a present - the Snowball Launcher 
. Oooh look, lot's of Butterflies! Wait! Butterflies? Get out of here Sheo, stop bugging me!
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lecarcajou_ESO✭✭✭✭Woolenthreads wrote: » I remember at one christmas, CCP gave Eve players a present - the Snowball Launcher .
The Apotheosis, man. Sweet ride, it was. Is.
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Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In my opinion the best thing ZO could do is stick to their design philosophy. Keeping the promises which were made pre release is worth more than any puppy, wolf or pig.
If ZO has a issue then that they cave in too often, they should stick to their ideas and implement them, this is how they can win loyal customers.
Listening too much to forum crowds can backfire badly, as we saw with the dog - people just assume they can demand everything and this is dangerous for a company. The company must design the game, not the gamer because the gamer will go, but the company will still have the game with all its costs.9 -
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Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
Balance is a "Bad" thing.Is the glass half full or half empty?
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boogie95✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Where exactly did they cave? getting tired of people spreading misinformation.
You people need to stop beating a dead horse, like yesterday. They didn't back themselves into a corner, a few temper tantrums on the forums do not equate to being backed into a corner. You people continue to act like this is the first time an mmo has done this or steam for that matter when it's not the case.
people pay good money for this game and people expect the product they where told they would get and it has not been the case.As for the steam thing well yes people where pissed since most of us wanted the dam game through steam but zos said screw the 500 people that already own the game just to get all steam people bashing the game. *** off loyal people for people who bash the game great idea.
Not sure where you been but its one of the many things they do to screw over there customers more and more people quit every day so yeah they are doing stuff wrong5 -
enem✭i'd be happy with vanity rewards for loyalty - dyes, titles, perhaps even little motifs we can display similar to the PvP ranking we see next to people's names.
tbh the last thing I need is more pets and trophies that I have no room to store.2 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage that occurred on these forums (whether warranted or not is being discussed in another forum thread) has created a problem. ZoS can not ever offer any incentives or perks to get more people to join without also feeling they have to give them to existing customers now.
Solution: (and I am sure this will only appeal to the more sensible of the rabid fan-base) would be a loyalty program. A lot of MMOs have it i.e. once you have subscribed for X amount of time you get a free pet, mount, trinket, dye etc. FFXIV was actually very generous with theirs, giving stuff once a month. I would rather have something a little less regular, perhaps once every 3 months - but have the gift be more meaningful (pets and mounts for example).
Discuss!
grow up!
You give loyalty for loyalties sake, not because you act like some cheap person that needs to have some give you something to keep you loyal. again grow up
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭A loyalty program has been suggested multiple times over the past week, of which I'm a fan of. Not that I'm necessarily interested in the random vanity from a loyalty program, but it's an easy win for ZOS as it's been hugely successful for all games that employ it. ZOS could use any bit of pure positivity they could muster.2 -
Arsenic_Touch✭✭✭✭✭
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people pay good money for this game and people expect the product they where told they would get and it has not been the case.As for the steam thing well yes people where pissed since most of us wanted the dam game through steam but zos said screw the 500 people that already own the game just to get all steam people bashing the game. *** off loyal people for people who bash the game great idea.
Not sure where you been but its one of the many things they do to screw over there customers more and more people quit every day so yeah they are doing stuff wrong
And that has what to do with anything I said? oh do show me where ZoS said you were entitled to every minipet and promotion past, present and future?
Still waiting for an answer to my question. How exactly did they cave?Edited by Arsenic_Touch on July 22, 2014 1:50AM☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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"Hope can drown lost in thunderous sound."
"Fear can claim what little faith remains."
"Death will take those who fight alone."
"But united we can break a fate once set in stone."
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP , you assume zen gives a damm.
If there is one thing the thread about the dog proved , is that they dont.
Only small thing i get from all this , is that now it takes me less than 5 minutes to convice someone im talking about the game to give up buying.Edited by Nox_Aeterna on July 22, 2014 1:58AM"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Sylnae✭✭I'm a fan of loyalty rewards--really looked forward to my annual rewards in UO, most of which were useful. I'd love to see something similar in ESO with a shorter interval (really like the quarterly idea tho every six months would be fine).1 -
txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage...
*snip*
Did I miss a news bulletin somewhere? I thought the dog was still just a Steam exclusive.
They are going to be making available a brown version of the wolfhound due to the complaining. There are no other details as to when, or how.0 -
Arsenic_Touch✭✭✭✭✭
✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage...
*snip*
Did I miss a news bulletin somewhere? I thought the dog was still just a Steam exclusive.
They are going to be making available a brown version of the wolfhound due to the complaining. There are no other details as to when, or how.
Wrong. The brown dog was already in the files and was already going to be in game at a later date, people just assume they're doing it because of the whining. They're not. There's quite a few minipets in the files that they aren't utilizing.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
╔═════════════ ೋღ☃ღೋ ══════════════╗
"Hope can drown lost in thunderous sound."
"Fear can claim what little faith remains."
"Death will take those who fight alone."
"But united we can break a fate once set in stone."
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txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco and ZOS caving to the excessive outrage that occurred on these forums (whether warranted or not is being discussed in another forum thread) has created a problem. ZoS can not ever offer any incentives or perks to get more people to join without also feeling they have to give them to existing customers now.
Solution: (and I am sure this will only appeal to the more sensible of the rabid fan-base) would be a loyalty program. A lot of MMOs have it i.e. once you have subscribed for X amount of time you get a free pet, mount, trinket, dye etc. FFXIV was actually very generous with theirs, giving stuff once a month. I would rather have something a little less regular, perhaps once every 3 months - but have the gift be more meaningful (pets and mounts for example).
Discuss!
grow up!
You give loyalty for loyalties sake, not because you act like some cheap person that needs to have some give you something to keep you loyal. again grow up
Oh, I completely agree with you. I am only suggesting this because of the outrage that ensued over puppy-gate. That said, if a loyalty program addresses the problem, and encourages people to remain subbed longer, then go for it. If you don't like the word "loyalty" then call it an "anniversary" program, or some other name.0 -
Nox_Aeterna wrote: »OP , you assume zen gives a damm.
If there is one thing the thread about the dog proved , is that they dont.
Only small thing i get from all this , is that now it takes me less than 5 minutes to convice someone im talking about the game to give up buying.
Yes, we had that discussion on the other thread and am wondering if you will be canceling your sub since you aren't interested in getting your friends to join.0 -
Aortick✭✭✭Here is a Revolutionary Game Idea............Why not just play the game and have some Fun? The Reward for playing a game should be Fun and Enjoyment. Instead some of you are wanting the Developers of Games to Reward you for playing their game with Materialistic items, rather than the game itself.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]Edited by ZOS_JuhoJ on July 22, 2014 5:17AM5 -
SlaaMM✭✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »The whole puppy-gate fiasco !
Oh please what do y'all want, perks for buying a game or Free To Play? Steam always has something along theses lines. I could name off a few but I'll skip it. The problem is ... its a dog!!! Why do peeps go crazy over a dog IDK. Hey maybe I want a cat or a tiger. or a Lion, Dragon or Eagle. Quit being a bunch of milk drinkers!2
