Champion System and Character/Level Definition?

Phantax

I'm a supporter of the new Champion system and think it will be a good change to the games mechanics. But how (this may have been said and Ive missed it) are we going to define our characters level?
At the moment we have either 1-50 or VR1-12 and thats self explainatory. So once the VR system is gone what unit of definition are we going to have

Shaun98ca2

I was wondering this as well......I think we are keeping Veteran Ranks and the Champion system is on top of the Veteran system while Veteran XP is being removed and they are going with the standard 1-50 we know and scaling it properly.

PERSONALLY I would remove all the Veteran Tiers so your just Veteran Rank with no actual level and all Veteran Content is just simply available which is what the champion system ALSO sounded like at one point as well.

Unfortunately ZOS is VERY bad on conveying their thoughts properly as we have seen.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

They said you would get a rating based on how good gear and how good abilities you had. So the better your overall stats the higher your rating.

GFBStarWars

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

They said you would get a rating based on how good gear and how good abilities you had. So the better your overall stats the higher your rating.

exacly, in a podcast they explained that it would be related to gear mostly and a bit on champion point so that "new player" won't be so underpowered.

for the level part i imagine everyone will be at 50 (49 attribute points)

Phantax

GFBStarWars wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

They said you would get a rating based on how good gear and how good abilities you had. So the better your overall stats the higher your rating.

exacly, in a podcast they explained that it would be related to gear mostly and a bit on champion point so that "new player" won't be so underpowered.

for the level part i imagine everyone will be at 50 (49 attribute points)

Seems like that could cause a lot of confusion in chat when people are LFG/LFM.
There needs to be at least some kind of ranking/tier system.
Id guess if say 75% of ur gear is lvl 7 then you could be classed as lvl 7 champion?

Kiljaz

The VR system isn't going anywhere. They are getting rid of VR points. Experience will take the place of VP for leveling veteran ranks. Champion points are in addition to veteran ranks.

Phantax

Kiljaz wrote: »

The VR system isn't going anywhere. They are getting rid of VR points. Experience will take the place of VP for leveling veteran ranks. Champion points are in addition to veteran ranks.

That's fine, after all your rank in some ways is like a badge of honor. But at least if we have a visible ranking system certain aspect of the game will be easier. (LFG for example)

UnholyPerfection

There are so many different thoughts going around of what's happening when the champion system is implemented lol.

Adelwulf

Have they said when the champion system is going to be implemented?

Shaun98ca2

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

There are so many different thoughts going around of what's happening when the champion system is implemented lol.

Problem is when your hanging on EVERY word and certain words are omitted or not conveyed properly you get mass confusion.

Listen the elder scrolls off the record, its insinuated almost a levelless system for VR if im not mistaken but Quakecon insinuates levels again. This makes it VERY confusing.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

There are so many different thoughts going around of what's happening when the champion system is implemented lol.

Problem is when your hanging on EVERY word and certain words are omitted or not conveyed properly you get mass confusion.

Listen the elder scrolls off the record, its insinuated almost a levelless system for VR if im not mistaken but Quakecon insinuates levels again. This makes it VERY confusing.

This is why such major announcements should be in IN WRITING giving time to think it through, not as a PR stunt that yields far more questions and concerns than it answers.

Wifeaggro13

kb.lang_ESO wrote: »

Have they said when the champion system is going to be implemented?

At the rate they are moving , I would not imagine before late 2015. thye have not even got 1 quarter of the things they said they would do on their first road ahead.honestly all the quake con talk was just that. update 3 is mostly fluff aside from the set gear re itemization.

Shaun98ca2

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

There are so many different thoughts going around of what's happening when the champion system is implemented lol.

Problem is when your hanging on EVERY word and certain words are omitted or not conveyed properly you get mass confusion.

Listen the elder scrolls off the record, its insinuated almost a levelless system for VR if im not mistaken but Quakecon insinuates levels again. This makes it VERY confusing.

This is why such major announcements should be in IN WRITING giving time to think it through, not as a PR stunt that yields far more questions and concerns than it answers.

YEA we have seen their writing.....their PR guy just doesn't exist even stuff they try to convey in writing gets confusing at times.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

I was wondering this as well......I think we are keeping Veteran Ranks and the Champion system is on top of the Veteran system while Veteran XP is being removed and they are going with the standard 1-50 we know and scaling it properly.

PERSONALLY I would remove all the Veteran Tiers so your just Veteran Rank with no actual level and all Veteran Content is just simply available which is what the champion system ALSO sounded like at one point as well.

Unfortunately ZOS is VERY bad on conveying their thoughts properly as we have seen.

They are terrible at conveying their thoughts. This has been a problem since they game was first announced. There was so much confusion as to how the mechanics were going to work and what the classes were going to do. Now we have this very useless list including "spellcrafting" which knowing them could mean anything.

What would be super great is if they would be very specific with what they plan so that we can give feedback before they make these changes and not after. Telling us what they are planning is useless if it is only going to cause more speculation and confusion.

Kiljaz

Paul Sage's exact words were "the way VP is gained post 50 is different from 1-49 and is confusing. We're going to rework how veteran levels are obtained and replace VP with EXP."