How do you people even play in Cyrodil still?

Transorb

Seriously, how do people even play still in PvP?

In dungeons, 57fps
In Tamriel questing, 41fps
In Cyrodil with few people around, 22fps
In Cyrodil in combat, 9fps


I have tried every combination of different settings, including setting every graphics option to low and off, as well as disabling all add-ons with no improvement in performance.

I should also mention that this never occurred before patch v1.2.3 with the new lighting dynamics and security "improvements." I have also submitted customer feedback through support and have not received a word from ZOS.

I run:

4g Nvidia GeForce GTX 760
AMD Vishera FX 8350 4.2ghz 8-core CPU
Gigabyte 990FX motherboard
32g of DDR3 RAM
Windows 7 Pro

So hardware quality is obviously not the issue.

I sub to this game to play PVP, not dungeon crawl by myself. The motivation that drives me to play this game is disappearing because it no longer offers the PVP experience I came here for. When lag and FPS drop causes my character to run 5 seconds after I release the forward key - causing me to run directly into a herd of enemies - the game is no longer enjoyable.

This occurs on every PVP server I have tried, with the exception of Vol and the other completely empty servers. But lets face it, who wants to play on an empty server?

Does anybody else still experience this? Is ZOS addressing the issue even? Or are efforts entirely being geared towards new content. I personally would like to see the clear and obvious performance issues in Cyrodil finally addressed.

Amsel_McKay

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

Fi'yra

I get around 30-40 FPS in large zerg wars, but when a bomb group comes inside a keep, I get around 9fps.

Blame the bomb groups, they ruin gameplay+FPS

Transorb

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

I run hardwired CAT5, with a 50mbps 2-way cable connection.

+1 to the zerg bomb group comment. Except that even random groups of 20 or more pugs has the same effect.

If I thought it would help, I could take screenshots of my performance monitors to show CPU, network, memory, and disc usage aren't even running 50% maximum load. Core temperatures are measured around 49c average.

I can find no reason on the user end for this lack of performance.

Amsel_McKay

Transorb wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

I run hardwired CAT5, with a 50mbps 2-way cable connection.

+1 to the zerg bomb group comment. Except that even random groups of 20 or more pugs has the same effect.

Sounds like a computer problem... I have no lag at all in PVP, the only "lag" i get is when a new person joins the group.

haploeb14_ESO

I have no problem with FPS either. I may drop to the low to mid 30's with a lot going on around me. But I find this very acceptable with my setup. I run 3- 27"monitors in Nvidia surround.

Mr.Turtlesworth

I agree. I was In a keep and it felt like I was watching a slide show.

Amsel_McKay

If you are not using wireless, Bluetooth, USB2 turn them all off... use a wired mouse and keyboard and tell your computer to send USB power only to those ports. Turn off any on board video through bios. Turn off the windows features you dont use. Run 64bit IE, turn off I tunes anti virus and other programs running...

So much you can try and I bet you will find one of the things is killing your FPS. For me my on board sound card was taking resources so I turned it off in bios and magically I picked up 10 FPS... but like I said this has to be a CS issue.

LunaRae

Transorb wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

I run hardwired CAT5, with a 50mbps 2-way cable connection.

Not sure why he would even say you have wireless with those comp specs lol... but you don't have CAT5e ??? Anyways my friends and I roam-gank in Wabba all the time, run into zergs and I have no problems. There are very few instances where my game gets bad, but it's infinitely better than a few weeks back when we were all experiencing hell in Cyrodiil.

I had my friends run beta drivers for their GTX's when they were getting really bad and they said it helped a little, not sure what you're running but maybe give it a shot.

Amsel_McKay

LunaRae wrote: »

Transorb wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

I run hardwired CAT5, with a 50mbps 2-way cable connection.

Not sure why he would even say you have wireless with those comp specs lol...

People do stupid things like have wireless because they dont want "ugly" wires.

elwhy

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

If you are not using wireless, Bluetooth, USB2 turn them all off... use a wired mouse and keyboard and tell your computer to send USB power only to those ports. Turn off any on board video through bios. Turn off the windows features you dont use. Run 64bit IE, turn off I tunes anti virus and other programs running...

So much you can try and I bet you will find one of the things is killing your FPS. For me my on board sound card was taking resources so I turned it off in bios and magically I picked up 10 FPS... but like I said this has to be a CS issue.

I bet this would help, but since they first introduced the lighting I can't get near even a small skirmish for more than a few seconds. I know my setup isn't great and I've never gotten above 40 fps (nicer Lenovo laptop), but I used to be able to pvp and now I can only solo quest in cyrodiil. I guess I just don't understand why they add an "improvement" to the game, but then to be able to still pvp we have to modify our systems.

I don't mean any animosity directed towards you or anyone, just chiming in that we can change our comps to help but it ultimately comes back to Zenimax screwing us with whatever all they did in that lighting update.

wrlifeboil

Transorb wrote: »

AMD Vishera FX 8350 4.2ghz 8-core CPU

Check your core utilization when in Cyrodiil. AMD cpus seem to have more problems, even the 8350, with fps issues in this game.

DeLindsay

Transorb wrote: »

In dungeons, 57fps
In Tamriel questing, 41fps
In Cyrodil with few people around, 22fps
In Cyrodil in combat, 9fps

I run:

4g Nvidia GeForce GTX 760
AMD Vishera FX 8350 4.2ghz 8-core CPU
Gigabyte 990FX motherboard
32g of DDR3 RAM
Windows 7 Pro

So hardware quality is obviously not the issue.

Interesting because my PC specs are basically half of yours and I get no less than 3-10x the FPS in Cyro that you do.

Gen1 i5 2.8ghz
GTX 560 Ti 1gb > dual 24" L.E.D. monitors at 60hz, 1920x1080
8gb 1600mhz RAM
Win7 Pro 64bit

Cyro FPS = 28-65+ (28 being at a keep in a large battle with Oil being used)

Audigy

Transorb wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Sounds like a Customer Support issue... I have no lag issues in PVP... Turn off wireless and go hardline and you will see 15+ FPS

I run hardwired CAT5, with a 50mbps 2-way cable connection.

+1 to the zerg bomb group comment. Except that even random groups of 20 or more pugs has the same effect.

If I thought it would help, I could take screenshots of my performance monitors to show CPU, network, memory, and disc usage aren't even running 50% maximum load. Core temperatures are measured around 49c average.

I can find no reason on the user end for this lack of performance.

Its not really on the user end, well it is but ...

Let me explain.

ESO especially since the patch has a pretty intense particle rendering system. You can see this especially in towns and places with many shadows and stuff flying around like in the volcano or snowy areas.

If you now run there alone, your GPU only has to render these, the quest NPCs, some mobs and of course your Char. Objects which are fix like a mountain, textures on the ground, a tree, foliage will require less "draw calls" than for instance water, NPCs that move around or weather effects. It also matters if there is night or day.

At pvp, you now have all this but additionally 20, 30 or even 100 players. Your GPU now in theory has to render 100 more objects + the spell effects by every single player, their pets and also guards that appear or AOE from the war machines....

This is pretty much a overblow as our PCs can only do a specific amount of Draw Calls and once the limit is reached, our GPUs will have to wait for our CPU and this is causing the FPS drops.

Keep in mind, this is a CPU issue not a GPU issue. The clue is, our GPU can only work if told so by our CPU. But since our CPU´s have a specific capacity of draw calls which they can perform, it comes to an overload and our GPU can not draw stuff and this is what we experience as a lag.

While I can not guarantee it, I would assume that if ZO tweaks their multi core support so that rendering happens on at least 2 or 3 threads, then this should help.

As an example,

WOW is pretty old as we all know but the day when they move to a triple thread rendering on their client, the FPS skyrocked. Also WS improved their FPS by adding a second thread.


This is all very technical and I am sure reading up a bit on Google might make things a lot clearer.


In the end CPU´s like the new I7 will perform much better at ESO than a Bulldozer or any AMD ever will. This is due the fact that AMD is a lot weaker in the single core performance than Intel.

While we have people at this forum who say they get a steady 100 FPS on ultra with everything max, I must admit that I find this very hard to believe - nearly impossible without some serious tweaking on the CPU part.

What I see as a realistic performance is about a 30-40 FPS on Ultra with a few settings lowered to high.

ESO suffers a bit, not as hard however of the Warhammer syndrome. An Engine that doesn't utilize the PCs power and therefore especially weaker CPU´s struggle badly.

Dominoid

At Quakecon they said they are adding an effects slider to allow better control on the number of on-screen effects that are played at once with special priority for more necessary effects. That should help some people.

They've also reiterated several times that they are still looking at more FPS fixes and tweaks.

Liquid_Time

FPS issues are much better for me as well. Have some rubber band effects at times, but I think that is an issue on my end. Other then that.. much better then what it was recently.