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Zenimax, got some tricks up there sleeve
Necronomicon
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Game released, Economy ruined within the first 4 weeks with duping glitch, banks slots glitched out, so many bugs, so many desyncs/lag in cyrodil, even to this day. My point is you release this triple AAA funded MMO(That is clearly still a BETA) thats P2P AND IS 3 MONTHS FROM RELEASE, ONTO STEAM slap it with a 50% Off to get people excited, Slap it with another order bonus(whiterun dog!) if you get the imperial edition and pay more ( Of course) Slap it with a timer so people are almost enticed to buy it before the bonus ends the 21st of July. Are you starting to feel the Exodus now? So you came up with this idea all of a sudden to try and squeeze more money from your unsuspecting fans? I dont even think I have heard of a P2P Triple AAA Funded MMORPG going onto steam after 3 months with 50% off and with a bonus everyone else shouldve gotten from the start, just to get more money? Can we please get a reponse as to if the ones who bought this game from other retailers will be getting the whiterun dog, and the ability to get steam badges, Thanks.
( And Yes I know ESO was being sold 50%off almost a few weeks after release, but still they could've said hey, this is coming to steam not a peep was said about this very unprofessional)
ZoS you are abusing your customers, and the ES title, how much more can people take?
Dont get me wrong this game has some good things about it, but there is so many clues, so many things ZoS is doing, that has happened. Everyone cant be blind can they?
Before you hit the LOL vote button, think about it.
( And Yes I know ESO was being sold 50%off almost a few weeks after release, but still they could've said hey, this is coming to steam not a peep was said about this very unprofessional)
ZoS you are abusing your customers, and the ES title, how much more can people take?
Dont get me wrong this game has some good things about it, but there is so many clues, so many things ZoS is doing, that has happened. Everyone cant be blind can they?
Before you hit the LOL vote button, think about it.
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EliteZ✭✭✭OMG NO WAY!?!?!?!
A company that needs money to pay staff, to continue development on the game and to stay running, has done something to gain money? That's so unthinkable! Sorry Zeni, you're not allowed to grow as a company and make more money, that is just not on!
Stop your crying like a little girl and wake up. without making money, there is no development, staff or servers which means no game. So yes, they can do whatever they want to make more money.Edited by EliteZ on July 17, 2014 9:33PM14 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Necronomicon wrote: »DERP
Fixt for those who don't feel like reading.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Necronomicon✭✭✭OMG NO WAY!?!?!?!
A company that needs money to pay staff, to continue development on the game and to stay running, has done something to gain money? That's so unthinkable! Sorry Zeni, you're not allowed to grow as a company and make more money, that is just not on!
Stop your crying like a little girl and wake up. without making money, there is no development, staff or servers which means no game. So yes, they can do whatever they want to make more money.
There doing it in very sneaky, untruthly way, if you like being lied to about what your money is really going to ( A beta). Fine by me.9 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭just wait until the console releases...
Character transfer will be MADNESS! (no details will cause such)
and people who pre-ordered the disc who also play on PC will hopefully be able to transfer BUT there is no information to suggest such.
More than likely we will buy the $20 console version which should be FREE because the game is selling for $29.99 new in digital versions.
We have to pick character(s) to transfer, instead of just copying the entire account.
Console collectors editions are still $99. WTH for this is just a big mess.
2015 marks the end of the series unless Bethesda takes this over from Zenmiax.
Remember how Activision ruing WoW...-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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EliteZ✭✭✭Necronomicon wrote: »OMG NO WAY!?!?!?!
A company that needs money to pay staff, to continue development on the game and to stay running, has done something to gain money? That's so unthinkable! Sorry Zeni, you're not allowed to grow as a company and make more money, that is just not on!
Stop your crying like a little girl and wake up. without making money, there is no development, staff or servers which means no game. So yes, they can do whatever they want to make more money.
There doing it in very sneaky, untruthly way, if you like being lied to about what your money is really going to ( A beta). Fine by me.
Sneakily how exactly? They didn't tell you before the game went live that they may, at some point in the future, offer a limited time bonus deal on the game (which almost every game offers eventually) means that they are being sneaky?
And no this game is far from a beta, is it the most polished games? No, but trust me, there are a lot worse out there. Who really cares what state of development the game is in anyway, you're paying for entertainment not for a "released" game. If you enjoy the game, you'll pay for it no matter if it's alpha, beta or release.
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Necronomicon✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »just wait until the console releases...
Character transfer will be MADNESS! (no details will cause such)
and people who pre-ordered the disc who also play on PC will hopefully be able to transfer BUT there is no information to suggest such.
More than likely we will buy the $20 console version which should be FREE because the game is selling for $29.99 new in digital versions.
We have to pick character(s) to transfer, instead of just copying the entire account.
Console collectors editions are still $99. WTH for this is just a big mess.
2015 marks the end of the series unless Bethesda takes this over from Zenmiax.
Remember how Activision ruing WoW...
I'm starting to see the F2P sign now, it wont be now, I'd give it 8 months if things dont change and they have to do tricks like this steam promotion to keep this sinking boat afloat a bit longer. Then the console thing will help keep it afloat a big longer, I suspect the game was actually suppose to be ready for PC release in about 8-12 months also. This game has alot missing stuff, the end game wasent thought out well, feels like a rushed game, a theory.4 -
Azzuria✭✭✭✭✭Necronomicon wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »just wait until the console releases...
Character transfer will be MADNESS! (no details will cause such)
and people who pre-ordered the disc who also play on PC will hopefully be able to transfer BUT there is no information to suggest such.
More than likely we will buy the $20 console version which should be FREE because the game is selling for $29.99 new in digital versions.
We have to pick character(s) to transfer, instead of just copying the entire account.
Console collectors editions are still $99. WTH for this is just a big mess.
2015 marks the end of the series unless Bethesda takes this over from Zenmiax.
Remember how Activision ruing WoW...
I'm starting to see the F2P sign now, it wont be now, I'd give it 8 months if things dont change and they have to do tricks like this steam promotion to keep this sinking boat afloat a bit longer. Then the console thing will help keep it afloat a big longer, I suspect the game was actually suppose to be ready for PC release in about 8-12 months also. This game has alot missing stuff, the end game wasent thought out well, feels like a rushed game, a theory.
Godwin's MMO Corollary: Calls of F2P within the first 6 months of release means YOU LOSE.Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
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Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
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✭✭✭✭People are so nutty. They whine about the player base and people cancelling subs, and then they whine about the effort made to bring in more players.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »People are so nutty. They whine about the player base and people cancelling subs, and then they whine about the effort made to bring in more players.
This is not a thoughtful marketing attempt to bring in more players.
Start with the problem vs. bring more people into a problem.
Finish the game, finish the endgame issue or confusion and then finish the console game.
Selling a game for $59.99in April and then on July 17th selling the same game for $29.99 while the companies website lists $59.99 doesn't bring more people in. it pushes people away.
If you're getting gas for your car and on station lists $3.49 and right next to it another station lists $1.99 for the same company, sure many will go to the cheaper store but when they drive off and the car starts to sputter.....there lies the problem.
Fix the quality of the gas, don't try and sale the gas for a cheaper price. If you sale it cheaper then guess what...its perceived as a lesser valued product indefinitely.
Then customers wont buy from any of the stores regardless of price.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 17, 2014 10:16PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭Both Dawnbreaker and Wabbajack were full last night for the first time in a while. Wabba required a waiting que. Population is growing again after the loss. The FPS issue that was causing fps to drop to 5 and stay there in Cyrodil was fixed. Latency issues (for me anyway) in Cyrodil are gone and large siege battles are staying near 50fps on full settings.
Tons of quests were fixed too.
The game took time but it's getting better. I'll always hammer them for technical issues, but when those don't show up while I'm playing the game rocks. I got the Tamriel Hero title the other day by getting all the questing achievements in the game. I really enjoyed most of the quests. The game will be fine. Nothing to see here. Move a long.
Oh, but Craglorn sucks. No way around it. I can't find a group as a v10 Temp healer to quest with at all. All I see is "LF grind group", "LF Tower group to grind". But noone to quest with. Booo Zos...Booooo. Trials are set up so that if you want to compete, you have to go skirt/stick (for the most part). Timers of any kind (including enrage timers) don't belong in a game that is SUPPOSED to allow for more flexibility in play style and builds. That is annoying as hell.
Otherwise, love the game and am really looking forward to some of the things coming down the road
Edited by coryevans_3b14_ESO on July 17, 2014 10:17PM1 -
Necronomicon✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Both Dawnbreaker and Wabbajack were full last night for the first time in a while. Wabba required a waiting que. Population is growing again after the loss. The FPS issue that was causing fps to drop to 5 and stay there in Cyrodil was fixed. Latency issues (for me anyway) in Cyrodil are gone and large siege battles are staying near 50fps on full settings.
Tons of quests were fixed too.
The game took time but it's getting better. I'll always hammer them for technical issues, but when those don't show up while I'm playing the game rocks. I got the Tamriel Hero title the other day by getting all the questing achievements in the game. I really enjoyed most of the quests. The game will be fine. Nothing to see here. Move a long.
Oh, but Craglorn sucks. No way around it. I can't find a group as a v10 Temp healer to quest with at all. All I see is "LF grind group", "LF Tower group to grind". But noone to quest with. Booo Zos...Booooo. Trials are set up so that if you want to compete, you have to go skirt/stick (for the most part). Timers of any kind (including enrage timers) don't belong in a game that is SUPPOSED to allow for more flexibility in play style and builds. That is annoying as hell.
Otherwise, love the game and am really looking forward to some of the things coming down the road
Expect more content that should've been in the game on release, like dyes, and guild tabards,HAHA,oh and a vet dungeon you'll finish in 20 mins that took a month to make perhaps longer.
Edited by Necronomicon on July 17, 2014 10:20PM4 -
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✭Necronomicon wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Both Dawnbreaker and Wabbajack were full last night for the first time in a while. Wabba required a waiting que. Population is growing again after the loss. The FPS issue that was causing fps to drop to 5 and stay there in Cyrodil was fixed. Latency issues (for me anyway) in Cyrodil are gone and large siege battles are staying near 50fps on full settings.
Tons of quests were fixed too.
The game took time but it's getting better. I'll always hammer them for technical issues, but when those don't show up while I'm playing the game rocks. I got the Tamriel Hero title the other day by getting all the questing achievements in the game. I really enjoyed most of the quests. The game will be fine. Nothing to see here. Move a long.
Oh, but Craglorn sucks. No way around it. I can't find a group as a v10 Temp healer to quest with at all. All I see is "LF grind group", "LF Tower group to grind". But noone to quest with. Booo Zos...Booooo. Trials are set up so that if you want to compete, you have to go skirt/stick (for the most part). Timers of any kind (including enrage timers) don't belong in a game that is SUPPOSED to allow for more flexibility in play style and builds. That is annoying as hell.
Otherwise, love the game and am really looking forward to some of the things coming down the road
Expect more content that should've been in the game on release, like dyes, and guild tabards,HAHA,oh and a vet dungeon you'll finish in 20 mins that took a month to make perhaps longer.
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Haters gonna hate.[/quote]
I still 3 months of playtime, cant wait for the arena update and duels, something that shouldve been in the game already.
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It's likely on sale because of quake con...
The dog and us not being able to get steam keys stuff is crap though.1 -
Necronomicon✭✭✭SirNigelThornberry wrote: »It's likely on sale because of quake con...
The dog and us not being able to get steam keys stuff is crap though.
and the steam news, and nice overlay, and badges.Edited by Necronomicon on July 17, 2014 10:40PM1 -
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✭LOL, this again? How many threads on this do we really need? It is called good marketing. No one forced you to buy this game and no one is forcing you to stay.1 -
jonpaul✭✭✭Necronomicon wrote: »
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I still 3 months of playtime, cant wait for the arena update and duels, something that shouldve been in the game already.
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Oh, I like this game. Can I be the first in line here to say "shoulda been in game already" next time they release ANYTHING
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I see myself as an intelligent, sensitive human, with the soul of a clown which forces me to blow it at the most important moments. -Jim Morrison1 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭you people realize this happens a lot with games that at first they are expensive then they offer a sale (and Steam is a big one for that) for a bit, then the price goes back up.
ANYBODY who buys and plays games knows this, this is nothing new. When you buy a game right out of the gate you most likely will pay full price. Not only that but you get to deal with the problems of a new game, the updates and so forth, and for an MMO its even more updates than a single player game. Come on guys/gals you act like this never ever has happened before especially computer games there are always problems and updates. I swear sometimes you people (and referring to the very excitable people) act like you never have purchased a computer game before.When asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."1 -
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✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »People are so nutty. They whine about the player base and people cancelling subs, and then they whine about the effort made to bring in more players.
This is not a thoughtful marketing attempt to bring in more players.
Start with the problem vs. bring more people into a problem.
Finish the game, finish the endgame issue or confusion and then finish the console game.
Selling a game for $59.99in April and then on July 17th selling the same game for $29.99 while the companies website lists $59.99 doesn't bring more people in. it pushes people away.
If you're getting gas for your car and on station lists $3.49 and right next to it another station lists $1.99 for the same company, sure many will go to the cheaper store but when they drive off and the car starts to sputter.....there lies the problem.
Fix the quality of the gas, don't try and sale the gas for a cheaper price. If you sale it cheaper then guess what...its perceived as a lesser valued product indefinitely.
Then customers wont buy from any of the stores regardless of price.
Nobody wants to buy this game for 59.99 anymore. It's out and not new anymore, so they have to sell it for what people will pay for it.
Gasoline is not an entertainment product.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »People are so nutty. They whine about the player base and people cancelling subs, and then they whine about the effort made to bring in more players.
This is not a thoughtful marketing attempt to bring in more players.
Start with the problem vs. bring more people into a problem.
Finish the game, finish the endgame issue or confusion and then finish the console game.
Selling a game for $59.99in April and then on July 17th selling the same game for $29.99 while the companies website lists $59.99 doesn't bring more people in. it pushes people away.
If you're getting gas for your car and on station lists $3.49 and right next to it another station lists $1.99 for the same company, sure many will go to the cheaper store but when they drive off and the car starts to sputter.....there lies the problem.
Fix the quality of the gas, don't try and sale the gas for a cheaper price. If you sale it cheaper then guess what...its perceived as a lesser valued product indefinitely.
Then customers wont buy from any of the stores regardless of price.
Nobody wants to buy this game for 59.99 anymore. It's out and not new anymore, so they have to sell it for what people will pay for it.
Gasoline is not an entertainment product.
If you pour it on something and light it gasoline can be an entertainment product...3 -
jessejarvisonlineb16_ESOSoul ShrivenAmsel_McKay wrote: »If you pour it on something and light it gasoline can be an entertainment product...
Haha so true.. I mean, I never did that... *Backs away slowly*.
Game was released with bugs, many were and still are. It's nothing new.
Should have. Would have. Could have. But not. And ranting will not change a dang thing but get angry people posting and pointing fingers.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »People are so nutty. They whine about the player base and people cancelling subs, and then they whine about the effort made to bring in more players.
This is not a thoughtful marketing attempt to bring in more players.
Start with the problem vs. bring more people into a problem.
Finish the game, finish the endgame issue or confusion and then finish the console game.
Selling a game for $59.99in April and then on July 17th selling the same game for $29.99 while the companies website lists $59.99 doesn't bring more people in. it pushes people away.
If you're getting gas for your car and on station lists $3.49 and right next to it another station lists $1.99 for the same company, sure many will go to the cheaper store but when they drive off and the car starts to sputter.....there lies the problem.
Fix the quality of the gas, don't try and sale the gas for a cheaper price. If you sale it cheaper then guess what...its perceived as a lesser valued product indefinitely.
Then customers wont buy from any of the stores regardless of price.
Nobody wants to buy this game for 59.99 anymore. It's out and not new anymore, so they have to sell it for what people will pay for it.
Gasoline is not an entertainment product.
If you pour it on something and light it gasoline can be an entertainment product...
You got me there.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭Do you think car manufactures advise they will be dropping the price in 3 months, so you should hold of buying a new one. Do they heck, they also don't apply any new special offers to previous customers.
What makes you think an MMO should be run any differently. They are not charities, they exist to make money.
If you want the new wolfhound, then get your wallet out and pay for it. I suppose you also go into clothes stores and complain that clothes you bought last season are now in the sale, so they should refund you.1 -
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✭✭Truthfully? If I had known that in a very short time I could have paid 50% less that I paid in Feb.,I would have waited till it's release.1 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OMG NO WAY!?!?!?!
A company that needs money to pay staff, to continue development on the game and to stay running, has done something to gain money? That's so unthinkable! Sorry Zeni, you're not allowed to grow as a company and make more money, that is just not on!
Stop your crying like a little girl and wake up. without making money, there is no development, staff or servers which means no game. So yes, they can do whatever they want to make more money.
But,doesnt every other MMO have staff too? WoW doesnt charge you between $59.00-$80.00 just to begin with to play their game.You DL and just pay a simple $14.99 a month without that big fat first payout.
(and,yes,I am using WoW as an example,so what.)1 -
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✭✭✭✭WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »Truthfully? If I had known that in a very short time I could have paid 50% less that I paid in Feb.,I would have waited till it's release.
If you had paid any attention to mmo releases and the speed at which they drop in price you would have known.1 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LOL, this again? How many threads on this do we really need? It is called good marketing. No one forced you to buy this game and no one is forcing you to stay.
ZOS's thoughts exactly.Which just shows that they have absolutely NO loyalty to those of us who beta played to help iron out any first hand kinks,or those who were their first subs,..due to their love of TES.1 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭LOL, this again? How many threads on this do we really need? It is called good marketing. No one forced you to buy this game and no one is forcing you to stay.
Good marketing losing loyal customers in an attempt to gain some new possibly less dedicated ones?
I'm all for new players but if we lose dedicated subs it's like putting holes in a bucket and continuing to add water.2
