ESO is full of exploiters and hackers

SC0TY999

This game is absolutely full of exploiters and hackers, it's beyond a joke!

Bloodthorne EU - EP has got the most exploiters and hackers that I've seen on any campaign so far. I've seen a few people using the invincibility hack, porting to keep wayshrines when they're under attack and I've seen this with my own eyes. For example; we cleared the mages at the shrine by the main keep door we're taking the flag then all of a sudden 2-3 people appear at the shrine not coming through the door! Players setting up camps beyond the gates when they're shut and attempting to obtain the scrolls unfairly from the temple's. (I have screenshots)

Worst part about all of this is you report people and nothing is done about them they get away with it!

Which really annoys me as I play fair have never cheated or used exploits!


@ZOS_BrianWheeler why do cheaters in this game get rewarded with no punishments?!?

Lava_Croft

I play EU Bloodthorn since early access and this is simply not true.
I have not encountered a single case of that invincibility hack.
The 'camps beyond the gates' that you talk about are just people hiding behind the gates and staying there after the gates close again.
You cannot port to the Transitus Shrine of a keep that is contested. Period. That's why for example EP most of the time has camps up in every single keep they own.

You might want to actually post some form of proof beyond 'I have screenshots'.

SC0TY999

I have seen this with my own eyes! I'm sure someone hasn't sat behind the gates for 2 days because that's how long it had been closed for! In fact one of the EP players told me the camp was there. And besides why do I have to post proof for you? Who are you? I know what I've seen and experienced!

Lava_Croft

Why do you have to post proof? Maybe because you are accusing an entire faction of cheating?

'I have seen this with my own eyes' is not proof.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

There could easily be player camping for days. Alt character for this purpose only.
I am sure some must be using it as it isn't that hard to invent "cheat" like that when some managed to invent DK grip pulling oposite faction on walls :-)

Fuzzylumpkins

Currently the last interesting thing in the game is to explore the breaks. Content was a trickle to start with that dried up extremely fast, there is no reason to make alts (except as material mules) as completing the other factions content was a part of the initial trickle. And title trading/ zone control and scroll swapping guilds make Cyrodil an insult to players wanting to pvp.

There you have it. Newest moto should be, "TESO, nothing to do, fix coming next week." Unfortunately it will always be next week

Morticielle

SC0TY999 wrote: »

Which really annoys me as I play fair have never cheated or used exploits

Yeah, of course we believe you. You don't need to give any proof at all for the alleged exploiting everywhere and no proof at all, that you never exploited yourself. Your word is enough! (where is that vomiting smiley if you need it?)

eventide03b14a_ESO

SC0TY999 wrote: »

I have seen this with my own eyes! I'm sure someone hasn't sat behind the gates for 2 days because that's how long it had been closed for! In fact one of the EP players told me the camp was there. And besides why do I have to post proof for you? Who are you? I know what I've seen and experienced!

By this post it became clear to me that it's just a troll. Nobody is this insane. On a side note the OP might want to check his fillings for CIA bugs.

Dleatherus

@SC0TY999‌

please post a screenshot of the camp set up behind enemy gates

my understanding is that the current game mechanics are such that camps cannot be set up behind an enemy gate - all of that territory is designated as 'enemy keep' area, so if it is indeed true, either there might be a patch of land that isn't covered by those mechanics, or a hack is being used, hence the request for the screenshot

the most frequent exploits/abuses for taking enemy scrolls with the gate being up was the DK chain pulling (this was reported and has been fixed), and people exploiting 'holes' in the terrain and getting into the area that way (not sure if this one is fixed yet)

it is also possible as somebody mentioned above, to log out an alt and leave him 'parked' there until such time as a scroll is returned to a temple - certainly not unfeasible given some of the lengths we've seen folks go to, for a group of them to do that, and whilst waiting, happily play their main toons

D.

SC0TY999

This screen shot was taking on the 15 ‎July ‎2014, ‏‎15:34:22

Lava_Croft

That is indeed a bad looking situation that should not be possible. I'll ask around in the Pact and see if anyone knows if this is still possible, since I'm way to distrusting to just take your word for the date of the screenshot. See below.

I can almost assure you that the majority of people in the Pact on EU Bloodthorn do not take part in these things, because otherwise people would have noticed this much earlier.

Dleatherus

@SC0TY999‌

ty - definately shows an EP camp INSIDE the CLOSED gate of Ni-Mohk

something for @ZOS_BrianWheeler to look at

D.

p.s. just did some testing - it is indeed possible to legitimately set up a forward camp in that area - everywhere else that I have run around behind the gate I get the 'too close to an enemy keep' message

our group meets with the devs every couple of weeks for a voice comms feedback session and i'll be sure to pass this one on - ty

demonlkojipub19_ESO

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SC0TY999

I also got screen shot of the player that set up the camp and attempted to steal the scroll.

I did report the player:)

Engelin

U can in fact put up a camp behind the enemy gate. There is a very small space just behind the gate that allows for a camp. I can confirm the prescence of a EP camp behind a closed gate, but whether they exploited to get it up or just hid there I don't know.

Regarding people appearing out of nowhere in a keep during a siege.... there are simpy too many ways that this can happen... 1. Relogging would allow u to remain in the keep and "appear from nowhere". 2. Many a times a keep will stop being contested and players would be allowed to spawn. 3. people like to hide and jump at u. 4. There is a lot of lag these days and sometimes u are dead before the players killing u appears on your screen.

I am a bit unsure why u made this thread? But u are making some very serious accusations with no proof and there are tons of legit explanations aswell.

Oh and btw how dare u accuse EP of having the most exploiters and hackers!? First off how the F did hacking come into this? Second, AD and DC have been miles ahead in terms of exploiting. Caltrops, most of EP didnt even know about this bug till right before it got fixed! Ive seen blues return the scroll by dropping it in water and at least 3-4 other ways! Almost every bug I've ever seen anyone use I know for a fact they learned from the blues.

Lord_Draevan

SC0TY999 wrote: »

This screen shot was taking on the 15 ‎July ‎2014, ‏‎15:34:22

It's possible for anyone to do this. You simply stealth into an open Gate, wait a bit after it's closed, set up a camp, then try for the Scroll. I've seen this done by all 3 factions on NA Wabbajack.

It's only an exploit if you use a terrain bug to go over the walls while the Gate's closed. If all they did was enter while it was open and wait a bit after it closed, that's not an exploit. I've seen camps set down regardless of whether the Gate is opened or closed.

SC0TY999

I don't really care what you think to be honest, I know what I see and haven't got to prove anything to you either. You aren't a GM!

I think a GM should come to the campaign and see some of the exploiting for themselves.

That camp was placed when the gate was closed and there was no camp beforehand. in fact it was a genuine EP player that told me it was there! So in fact I'm not saying it's the faction as a whole but there are a lot of players who do these things.

DC probably do too?

Lord_Draevan

SC0TY999 wrote: »

I don't really care what you think to be honest, I know what I see and haven't got to prove anything to you either. You aren't a GM!

I think a GM should come to the campaign and see some of the exploiting for themselves.

That camp was placed when the gate was closed and there was no camp beforehand. in fact it was a genuine EP player that told me it was there! So in fact I'm not saying it's the faction as a whole but there are a lot of players who do these things.

DC probably do too?

Look, I'm not interested in arguing with you. I get it, you're frustrated about EP exploiters, but I never said it wasn't exploiting. I was simply pointing out it could be legitimate gameplay. What you saw was a camp behind a closed Gate, which can easily be done without exploiting.
But I also said out that it could very well be exploiting, as terrain bugs have been used to bypass closed Gates before. ZOS claims they set up insta-kill walls to prevent this, however.

SC0TY999

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

SC0TY999 wrote: »

I don't really care what you think to be honest, I know what I see and haven't got to prove anything to you either. You aren't a GM!

I think a GM should come to the campaign and see some of the exploiting for themselves.

That camp was placed when the gate was closed and there was no camp beforehand. in fact it was a genuine EP player that told me it was there! So in fact I'm not saying it's the faction as a whole but there are a lot of players who do these things.

DC probably do too?

Look, I'm not interested in arguing with you. I get it, you're frustrated about EP exploiters, but I never said it wasn't exploiting. I was simply pointing out it could be legitimate gameplay. What you saw was a camp behind a closed Gate, which can easily be done without exploiting.
But I also said out that it could very well be exploiting, as terrain bugs have been used to bypass closed Gates before. ZOS claims they set up insta-kill walls to prevent this, however.

The insta kill walls are obviously not working then!

Look I'm not arguing either, I'm merely stating facts that the camp was not there earlier that day. The gate had been closed for 2 days at least. I know that when I passed Ni-Mohk earlier that day to defend the Altadoon scroll at Warden the camp wasn't there. There is no way without exploitation that the gate can be passed if it's closed? It's not the first time I've seen this happen either! I've seen a group get passed the alma ruma gate, recently after the patch. I've also got the name of the person that took that scroll too.


If you would like I'll mail you the char name's and you can question them directly!

Lord_Draevan

SC0TY999 wrote: »

The insta kill walls are obviously not working then!

Look I'm not arguing either, I'm merely stating facts that the camp was not there earlier that day. The gate had been closed for 2 days at least. I know that when I passed Ni-Mohk earlier that day to defend the Altadoon scroll at Warden the camp wasn't there. There is no way without exploitation that the gate can be passed if it's closed? It's not the first time I've seen this happen either! I've seen a group get passed the alma ruma gate, recently after the patch. I've also got the name of the person that took that scroll too.


If you would like I'll mail you the char name's and you can question them directly!

If the Gate was closed all day I can think of 3 explanations:

1) They had logged out earlier with an alt inside the Gate zone, logged in, and put down a camp.

2) They had someone in their guild log into a DC alt, go to the walls, and pull-chain them over. (This was used constantly a few months ago but seems to have gone away). Supposedly the pull-chain was nerfed earlier this month, but my DK is still able to pull people up and down from walls.

3) They found a zone where the kill walls aren't working and used a terrain bug over the walls. The kill walls do work (for EP at least), I've seen people trying to get over our walls in Wabbajack and they dropped dead instantly.

Fuzzylumpkins

@Drae, you cannot log out behind enemy gates. You will come back in and your toon ported back to your starting area. So point 1 is out. It is an exploit as it is a feature that of course players EXPLOIT and have since day 1, that was not intended.

That comes with the territory of very poorly thought out and executed content / features. Not like you wont find that all over TESO

It only takes 1 to find the easy mode exploit for dozens to follow that tell dozens more and so on, until the exploit becomes common place. After it/ title trading/ resource control are stopped between realms (lets face it, it wont be dealt with, eso would lose the last large community of its paying player base) forums will blaze with complaints about how they have been able to use the practices since launch. Refer to vamp. Poor design, poorly thought out, poorly executed, overly abused- fixed (nerfed into oblivion) = forums blew up with tears.

Engelin

If u want to point out a bug that allows u to sneak through a closed gate and put up a camp, by all means. It needs to be fixed. But dont call the entire EP a bunch of exploiters, when there is one guy doing this and u can't even prove he is exploiting.

Cody

not just EP that does it you know. ALL alliances have these lame people in it. you should have seen the AD in hopesfire the first few months.

SC0TY999

I fully agree! Through this post I have had some decent non exploiting players from other factions contact me we will be working together to call out players when they reported to us for exploiting.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler have you thought about making decent non exploiting players Cyrodiil moderators?

Would save you and us a lot of time and frustration!

DeLindsay

Welcome to Humans. If something can be exploited for the benefit of a few (or the one) it will be with zero remorse. This isn't new, ESO isn't unique in this case, Devs do in fact work hard to reign in cheaters/hackers/exploiters but it's an uphill battle.