Wormwood! ... Nope, just worms.

jrgray93

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

nerevarine1138

I wish we could force people to loot those things, but yes, absent a giant stick with which to smack them over the head, the developers should probably let those nodes disappear and respawn.

Enodoc

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

NorthernFury

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

Syndy

Yeah this is really annoying.

It should be common courtesy to take everything from the node and let it respawn in a bit for someone else... Even you if you run back through. But sadly no, those 3 inventory that it would take to place the worms/crawlers/crawdads in, are a situation of life and death...

It's to hard for some people to just take everything, then when their bags fill, got and destroy the worms. Those few precious seconds lost to help others or yourself out if you happen to come by the node again are not worth the trouble.

ebondeath

I would also be okay if these nodes were marked as "tapped" and unlootable until they despawned, but I guess some people like worms. Maybe that's how Mannimarco got his nickname.

Merlin13KAGL

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

Hypertionb14_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I wish we could force people to loot those things, but yes, absent a giant stick with which to smack them over the head, the developers should probably let those nodes disappear and respawn.

agreed.

Tho i have to admit this topics title is worth the current system.

nerevarine1138

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

AlexDougherty

Agreed, if they can't make alchemy nodes all or nothing, then having them despawn if they have no alchemy ingredients in them is a must.

Also for the record, I never willingly leave any bugs behind, if I can't pick everything up, I delete something to pick them up. It's just plain bad manners to leave it like that.

jrgray93

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*snip*

Sorry, but this argument is just really bad. Leaving the 1-5g item on the off chance that somebody wants it, but in the process tricking them into thinking they're looting one worth 50-100g, is not a cool thing to do. Nobody wants worms or crawlers. Those who do can simply buy them for just about nothing from other players and save people frustration.

TheBucket

They mention in recent QnA that they were working on fixing this problem

andre.roques.3b14_ESO

I admit I have left worms, but usually it is the case where I have been questing to the point of busting my inv at the seams...as such I can't even loot the worms. But I have found an equal number of nodes that have been left in this state. I would definitely agree that any item, not just the primary component type has been looted, should cause a despawn timer on a node.

Merlin13KAGL

@nerevarine1138, @jrgray93, @‌AlexDougherty, an immediate despawn, once the primary component is looted would solve this.

I fear the 10-15 second timer would still allow for much of the same kind of frustration, or the new frustration at 14 seconds of "where did the node just go?"

I say again, i do not do this and agree at the irritation it causes.

jrgray93 wrote: »

Leaving the 1-5g item on the off chance that somebody wants it, but in the process tricking them into thinking they're looting one worth 50-100g, is not a cool thing to do. Nobody wants worms or crawlers. Those who do can simply buy them for just about nothing from other players and save people frustration.

@jrgray93‌, I can only assume you refer to the resale on the potion you make?

For the record, I agree...if it's done intentionally, it's a *** move. Just offering that their may be some (mildly) legit reasons it happened and you may have had a bad run.

bluesodafizz

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

AlexDougherty

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

Just pick up the worms, if someone wants to fish they can find enough worms as it is. If you don't want them destroy them.

And only Plumb Worms can be cooked, different ingredient entirely.

bluesodafizz

AlexDougherty wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

Just pick up the worms, if someone wants to fish they can find enough worms as it is. If you don't want them destroy them.

And only Plumb Worms can be cooked, different ingredient entirely.

Well thanks for the info, but I wasn't looking for someone to preach to me on what to do with the worms lol. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing thanks

nerevarine1138

bluesodafizz wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

Just pick up the worms, if someone wants to fish they can find enough worms as it is. If you don't want them destroy them.

And only Plumb Worms can be cooked, different ingredient entirely.

Well thanks for the info, but I wasn't looking for someone to preach to me on what to do with the worms lol. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing thanks

Please don't. No one appreciates it. No one thinks it's cute. It's incredibly bad behavior, and it shouldn't be something the developers have to fix.

Redlag

Why not ask them to stop packing them in with plants? To many people don't want them. If they did. This thread would be unnecessary, because everyone would be like, oh snap, a worm!

Please stop packing in crawdads and worms with alchemy nodes.

GaldorP

WTB all your Worms (not "Plump Worms" please, just the "Worms" for fishing) on the EU server Send me a pm here

Also, is there any chance we could have trading section on the official forums (one sub-forum for the US server and another one for the EU server)?

bluesodafizz

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

Just pick up the worms, if someone wants to fish they can find enough worms as it is. If you don't want them destroy them.

And only Plumb Worms can be cooked, different ingredient entirely.

Well thanks for the info, but I wasn't looking for someone to preach to me on what to do with the worms lol. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing thanks

Please don't. No one appreciates it. No one thinks it's cute. It's incredibly bad behavior, and it shouldn't be something the developers have to fix.

Actually I was just thinking, it's no more trouble for someone else to gather and delete the worms from their inventory as it is for me, so they can just take it or move on. As I said before, this is the lowest possible priority of problems in this game, it literally doesn't matter unless you're getting mad while farming for an achievement. I really think people are taking it too seriously. You can easily find another node, usually like 10 feet away.

Also, I don't think you're cute either when you take the wormy worms

Food4Thought

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

Oh, it is an issue. I have lost count of how many of these critter nodes I have come across. One second I am eye's wide for some Columbine and the next I five shades of $%#@# off because it is another node of fish bait.

I do get it sometimes though. Your inventory is full (as mine always is after questing) and when you harvest a node you know the node resource will stack but anything else will not. And some people have autoloot add-ons which only increases the likelyhood that the garbage will be left behind.

Frankly, I have thought about what to do to fix this annoyance but short of clearing this bugs out of the node loot table, I don't have an answer.

Enodoc

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

I'm not sure what you thought I said, but I was agreeing with the OP. Plant nodes should have at least a plant in them, with worms as an occasional bonus. Plant nodes that have only a worm should despawn.

(Also my name has 2 "o"s in it)

siledre

I think if they revamped fishing to actually give something useful people would take the worm as well.

Enodoc

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

bluesodafizz wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Since basic decency and common courtesy are apparently rare traits in online communities, can we just make these things despawn after 10-15 seconds if crawlers / worms / crawdads are left? I encounter an average of ~5 per hour while questing that some inconsiderate person has just left there. It's annoying. I know a lot of people see this as not being an issue, but there are equally as many (if not more) who are just so completely annoyed by this behavior. If they just despawn after a bit, I see no reason why anyone would be opposed to that.

@jrgray93, have you considered that the previous person may have actually left it there as a courtesy to someone seeking that item, as opposed to taking something they don't need and simply destroying it?

Someone looking to harvest the side item as well as the main might consider that a discourtesy...

Have you also considered that the individual had every intent of taking both items, but ran into a full inventory situation (not as uncommon as you might think.), and rather than destroy something of actual gold value to themselves, they opted to leave the other behind?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, this would make complete and total sense. When collecting a plant, I expect, primarly, to get a plant, not a worm. Nodes should definitely disappear after their primary resource has been looted from them.

So, @Endoc, you're saying you expect to retrieve a plant, not the side (bonus) item, leading to the very situation that aggravates @jrgray93‌, and @nerevarine1138?

Enodoc wrote: »

(From an immersion perspective; if there's not a plant there, what the hell is the worm sitting on?)

That one's easy - as far back as Morrowind, harvesting a plant did not always mean you retrieved usable materials. It equally didn't mean the plant was completely destroyed.

When you pick berries, do you always uproot the entire bush? Walnut collection must be exhausting!

And from an immersion perspective, do you really want to wait an in-game month for the item to truly grow back?

NorthernFury wrote: »

What's the problem with leaving worms in an alchemy node?

@NorthernFury‌, not a thing. People sometimes forget that the component they are looking for is not always the same as someone else. If it was happening at every Node, perhaps, but five out of a hundred or more (and assuming indirectly that it was the same malicious individual that did them all), shouldn't even slow you down. It's better to collect something as opposed to finding no spawned node at all.

Sometimes what someone does is not necessarily to spite, at least not as blatantly as chest sniping or similar activities.

(And for the record, I leave no worm or crawdad behind...)

I'm going to out on a limb here and say that most players don't use the worms. And there are other sources.

I'm also going to go ahead and guess that no one is leaving those behind because they think, "Oh gee, I don't need this worm, but I bet the next alchemist who comes along will love it." They just don't want to deal with it.

These are alchemy nodes. No one farms them for worms. There are far better sources of fishing bait.

Actually I do leave the worms behind for other people. I don't do fishing so I just assumed people that did might want them. I don't know why but I also assumed they could be used for cooking in bosmer meals. I really don't think this is that big of a deal though, just move on and go to another node to find what you want. I've only ever encountered nodes with just worms a handful of times myself and I really wasn't bothered by it.

Just pick up the worms, if someone wants to fish they can find enough worms as it is. If you don't want them destroy them.

And only Plumb Worms can be cooked, different ingredient entirely.

Well thanks for the info, but I wasn't looking for someone to preach to me on what to do with the worms lol. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing thanks

Please don't. No one appreciates it. No one thinks it's cute. It's incredibly bad behavior, and it shouldn't be something the developers have to fix.

Actually I was just thinking, it's no more trouble for someone else to gather and delete the worms from their inventory as it is for me, so they can just take it or move on. As I said before, this is the lowest possible priority of problems in this game, it literally doesn't matter unless you're getting mad while farming for an achievement. I really think people are taking it too seriously. You can easily find another node, usually like 10 feet away.

Also, I don't think you're cute either when you take the wormy worms

The problem here I think is that people are expecting to get a plant from a plant, and when that "plant" only has a worm in it, they feel cheated.

Example: "Oh brilliant, a Columbine! I need one of those for my combined Restore Health Magicka Stamina Potion." *loots Columbine* "WTF where's the Columbine? This is just a worm!"

By not taking the worm, the node is taking up a reagent spawn point without there actually being any reagent there.

KariTR

It's not that big a deal. The OP even says "5 an hour" which only proves how little of an irritant it is...and that's only if you choose to be irritated by it.

You have to share this world with other players and some of them pick their nose. Accept it, cus you can't change it.

mumok

If they took worms out of plant nodes we could change it.

lecarcajou_ESO

I'm tired... so tired...

jrgray93

bluesodafizz wrote: »

this is the lowest possible priority of problems in this game

Perhaps, but it is easily fixable and I'm sure Zeni has more than one employee, so they could tackle this problem while working on others. It won't slow them down.

KariTR wrote: »

It's not that big a deal. The OP even says "5 an hour" which only proves how little of an irritant it is.

That's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that it is annoying enough to do something about it. It might not happen a ton, but there are other annoyances in this game as well. Why not get rid of one of them?

lecarcajou_ESO

Maybe it's time to think of all the other likely sources for worms besides herbs and flowers... so that if you want worms, you'll know exactly where to find them.

kieso

I've trolled myself passing the same plant where I left the worms; makes me chuckle every time.