Paying gold to change class

BugCollector

We can pay gold to reset our attributes. We can pay gold to reset our skill points.

Why can't we pay gold to change our class?
This should obviously be something like 50k, otherwise people would change all the time.

Mondo

That should be more expenisve

Lunerdog

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

Rather than that I would like to see class skill trees to be obtanaible in mage's and fighter's guild.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Lunerdog wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

In the context of PVP it does affect others. I don't PVP and would be happy if it weren't part of the game but it is and this idea is just so wrong on so many levels it's not worth discussing IMO.

jrgray93

It would make there be even less incentive to roll alts. Not sure how I feel about it.

EDIT:

Okay, now I'm sure. I'm going to have to vote no.

Lunerdog

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

In the context of PVP it does affect others. I don't PVP and would be happy if it weren't part of the game but it is and this idea is just so wrong on so many levels it's not worth discussing IMO.

No it doesn't.

There's all types of players doing their thing in PVP anyway, doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if someone decides they like the look of their character but dislikes the class they chose and don't wish to start from scratch.

Stop being such a bunch of stick in the muds.

Mondo

If you want another class then go twink. If you want your VET 12 the FOTM then you should pay like 500k Gold

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I wouldn't mind. And it wouldn't be as bad as most games where you would just change class then buy all the skills and be done. Here you would have to level all the skills for the new class. Given it wouldn't take forever but it is still a reasonable time investment.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Lunerdog wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

In the context of PVP it does affect others. I don't PVP and would be happy if it weren't part of the game but it is and this idea is just so wrong on so many levels it's not worth discussing IMO.

No it doesn't.

There's all types of players doing their thing in PVP anyway, doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if someone decides they like the look of their character but dislikes the class they chose and don't wish to start from scratch.

You need to learn how to look at an issue from a wider perspective, your comment here shows your current view is too narrow.

I can think of 5 or 6 'unintended consequences' of what you're suggesting without really trying, I'll give you just one: in terms of PVP the ability to switch class at the drop of a hat would be hugely dysfunctional when it comes to unless it was priced at a level at which only the mega-rich could afford it, which in turn is horrible from other perspectives.

At 50k it's too cheap, anyone at 50 can easily afford it and would make mass changing to FoTM builds inevitable which would be disastrous for the game overall.

I play 5 F2P/hybrid games, none allow this even for real cash, there are many reasons none of them do so even though it would be a likely good revenue stream.

Hilgara

I'd support paying real money to change factions but changing classes would never happen because re-rolling is a revenue steam for ZoS. People stay subbed to re-roll alts. Why on earth would they allow you to experience every class without having to level it?

bluesodafizz

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

In the context of PVP it does affect others. I don't PVP and would be happy if it weren't part of the game but it is and this idea is just so wrong on so many levels it's not worth discussing IMO.

No it doesn't.

There's all types of players doing their thing in PVP anyway, doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if someone decides they like the look of their character but dislikes the class they chose and don't wish to start from scratch.

You need to learn how to look at an issue from a wider perspective, your comment here shows your current view is too narrow.

I can think of 5 or 6 'unintended consequences' of what you're suggesting without really trying, I'll give you just one: in terms of PVP the ability to switch class at the drop of a hat would be hugely dysfunctional when it comes to unless it was priced at a level at which only the mega-rich could afford it, which in turn is horrible from other perspectives.

At 50k it's too cheap, anyone at 50 can easily afford it and would make mass changing to FoTM builds inevitable which would be disastrous for the game overall.

I play 5 F2P/hybrid games, none allow this even for real cash, there are many reasons none of them do so even though it would be a likely good revenue stream.

Hugely dysfunctional when it comes to what? I don't understand what you're saying here.

Also, could you list the 5 or 6 "unintended consequences"?

Why mass changing to FoTM builds be disastrous?

I'm undecided on this whole topic and I want to make sure I understand all of the points from both sides of the argument.

zgrssd

There are some things to consider:
PvP balance:
It would be even faster for everyone to adopt the "Flavor of the month" build. It does affect other players here.

Long term viability:
MMO's are longterm investments. Part of the core strategy is that important stuff needs time. Be it leveling an alt, farming the perfect gear or getting a Million Gold.
Implementing this would be like Zenimax shooting itself in the foot with a bazooka.

Completeness:
The next step would be the ability to change Race too. So you could unlock every races racial bonuses.
Again, less time to get what you want. Again shooting themself in the foot.

Viability:
It might need some reworks here and there, but I see no technical reason this is impossible.
However I see big economic reasons that just make it a bad idea. Maybe for real money later in the lifecycle. But not anytime soon and especially not for ingame gold.

Lunerdog

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

That should be more expenisve

Why ?

Who cares ?

If people want to change class then let them, doesn't effect anybody else.

In the context of PVP it does affect others. I don't PVP and would be happy if it weren't part of the game but it is and this idea is just so wrong on so many levels it's not worth discussing IMO.

No it doesn't.

There's all types of players doing their thing in PVP anyway, doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if someone decides they like the look of their character but dislikes the class they chose and don't wish to start from scratch.

You need to learn how to look at an issue from a wider perspective, your comment here shows your current view is too narrow.

I can think of 5 or 6 'unintended consequences' of what you're suggesting without really trying, I'll give you just one: in terms of PVP the ability to switch class at the drop of a hat would be hugely dysfunctional when it comes to unless it was priced at a level at which only the mega-rich could afford it, which in turn is horrible from other perspectives.

At 50k it's too cheap, anyone at 50 can easily afford it and would make mass changing to FoTM builds inevitable which would be disastrous for the game overall.

I play 5 F2P/hybrid games, none allow this even for real cash, there are many reasons none of them do so even though it would be a likely good revenue stream.

Condescending much ?


I don't need to do anything.


It makes no odds to other players if someone changes their class, said players then have to level the skills for the new class so it isn't and never will be an insta switch type thing.


Ironic that you accuse me of having a narrow viewpoint when yours appears to be exactly that.

BBSooner

I'd prefer this to not be a thing. Just my opinion.

kitsinni

With the VR changes there is really no need. You could have one of every class at 50 before the VR change easily.

Elencha

Okay, I am obviously entirely clueless or something. What is the deal with this community and its need to control how other people play the game? Really, I'm just astounded. While I agree that the ability to change the class on an established character is not a need, I don't see that as a valid argument against implementation since absolutely nothing about any video game is a need. The word need simply does not apply to video games. Their purpose is enjoyment. Okay, I stand corrected, video games need fun. That's about it, though.

The argument that no other MMORPG does it is likewise specious. No other MMORPG has Altmer, either, and...?

The economic argument is the probable reason this will not happen anytime approaching ever, and they are valid reasons for this not to happen. However, I disagree with the philosophy which makes this the case. The idea of trying to keep me paying you, not by increasing my fun, but by dragging out processes is repugnant to me.

The statement that it would affect PvP is probably true, but again, so what? There's zero reason it would be affected adversely. So what if everyone can play whatever class they choose at any given moment? The game implodes from too much choice? If everyone plays the flavor of the month, they are on more of an even footing, not less. Anyone who doesn't, does so by choice and they can choose to change their mind if they find it to be an uphill battle that they aren't enjoying.

For me, I'd like to see the option implemented. I don't PvP, I don't group, and it wouldn't affect anyone but me and my boyfriend. We used the Ring of Mara, I love my character, she's beautiful, she's done a butt ton of work to level crafting and I'd never risk losing her name. But I do wish I'd made her a Nightblade... Sue me, it was five minutes into Early Access and I made a hasty, poorly informed decision.

Edited for grammar fail.

Samadhi

Mondo wrote: »

If you want another class then go twink. If you want your VET 12 the FOTM then you should pay like 500k Gold

500k for the first swap.
750k for the second.
1 million for the third.

And so on.

Overall though, the suggestion is not a good one. I am glad that there is no class change function in game.

ebondeath

Just out of curiosity, are there any MMOs out there that actually have this option available?

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

ebondeath wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, are there any MMOs out there that actually have this option available?

Nope.

Samadhi

ebondeath wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, are there any MMOs out there that actually have this option available?

I used to play a f2p MMO that has this capability in place.
The decision can only be made once per character and is completely irreversible though.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Would be more of a paid service type of deal. I don't think even WoW offers class change tho.

Nestor

I don't think changing a class would be all the useful. Reason is, I tend to use different skills for each class I pick. So, I would have to build up an armor and weapon line all over again from a low level as I changed classes. Also, the class skills would be at a low level too, so those would have to be built from scratch. I also enjoy the experience of gaining abilities in a class along with the attribute growth over time. It helps me define the play style for each class I play. I want the struggle with the new class at the beginning as I appreciate the power more so later on.

I don't see why it would be an issue for someone else to do this, but it is not something I would ever do. I don't do PvP, so perhaps there is a reason that it is not a good idea from that standpoint.

Vahrokh

Elencha wrote: »

The statement that it would affect PvP is probably true, but again, so what? There's zero reason it would be affected adversely. So what if everyone can play whatever class they choose at any given moment? The game implodes from too much choice? If everyone plays the flavor of the month, they are on more of an even footing, not less. Anyone who doesn't doesn't, does so by choice and they can choose to change their mind if they find it to be an uphill battle that they aren't enjoying.

PvP does not work like that. In PvP there are lots and lots of people who reroll to the best spec of the best class. We'd have a 95% DK PvP population, the choice is NOT there because anyone playing anything else at this point, would just be dumb (PvP is about competition and getting edges over the others).
It's already ridicolous as is, filling PvP with the same class would really force everyone less bent on "supremacy" to reroll themselves just to stand a chance.

Kraven

No. Make a choice and stick with it quit asking to be EVERYTHING. Class choice as it is means only a little you would have it mean nothing at all? Replay value is already pretty low because similar people said "I want to do every quest on one character!" so it's rinse and repeat of the exact same content now.

No. Every single time there is a shift in balance you would change to the new FotM so that the balance scale is always in your personal favor. No. Just NO.

Elencha

Vahrokh wrote: »

Elencha wrote: »

The statement that it would affect PvP is probably true, but again, so what? There's zero reason it would be affected adversely. So what if everyone can play whatever class they choose at any given moment? The game implodes from too much choice? If everyone plays the flavor of the month, they are on more of an even footing, not less. Anyone who doesn't doesn't, does so by choice and they can choose to change their mind if they find it to be an uphill battle that they aren't enjoying.

PvP does not work like that. In PvP there are lots and lots of people who reroll to the best spec of the best class. We'd have a 95% DK PvP population, the choice is NOT there because anyone playing anything else at this point, would just be dumb (PvP is about competition and getting edges over the others).
It's already ridicolous as is, filling PvP with the same class would really force everyone less bent on "supremacy" to reroll themselves just to stand a chance.

Thank you for highlighting my grammar fail, I've fixed it.

So, if 95% of the population is playing the exact same build, where is the unfair part? They are then competing on skill alone, instead of which button triggers the highest number. This would make PvP 95% fair which, from what I hear, is a heck of a lot more fair than it is right now. The other five percent wouldn't somehow lose the option to achieve that same level of power. They can join the crowd, if that's what they want to do.

I happen to agree with @Nestor‌ that it would still involve plenty of work and be more of a headache than a lot of people would put up with to level the new class' skills and synergize them with any other skills you either want or already have. i don't think it's the gimme some people think it is.

Even if it were though, this is one reason I never wanted to play an MMORPG, it seems it's just an invitation for other people to dictate how I spend my leisure time. I see this like the nameplate argument. I don't want them, but why on earth shouldn't other people have the option? What business is it of anyone but me if I change my DragonKnight to a Nightblade? Why do you care? (That's the generic you by the way, not any one specific person.) Whence comes this impulse to control how other people play?