Good strategy for NB against Gargoyles? No cash/desire to 'reroll'

misterme2011

I'm getting repeatedly killed by Gargoyles in one quest that requires you to alternately fight 2 or 3 undead and then a Gargoyle and then repeat at least once with little healing time in between (not sure how many waves I need to get through because they keep respawning after I get killed)

I'm a L34 NB and use a mix of magicka based class skills and the 'twirling blade' dual wild skill. Even if I sneak attack I'm probably less than 50/50 vs a gargoyle and even if I get past it I get taken out by subsequent waves as my health dwindles. When I've been able to defeat a single Gargoyle it's by repeatedly using a health siphon type attack while my magicka holds up.

Against trolls I've been able to maneuver against them and attack from the rear outside their 'red' danger zones but the Gargoyles seem faster and keep me in front of them.

Lynx7386

Use sparks/heated blades from the dual wield line, they won't be able to hit you (unless of course that's been nerfed now too...)

Minsc

I might be wrong but are you trying to do the quest ''The Lightless Remnant '' at the Rivenspire area?
Because , if that is the case then you need to know that you are not actually supposed to attack the Galgoyles but , instead, use it to destroy the statues by kiting it through the statues. If you have actually managed to kill one then either your class/build is very strong or you must be a pretty decent player

Svann

I think Minsc got it right, and as a further tip if you are ever having trouble completing a quest like this look at the quest text because there are often tips.

SBR_QuorTek

Minsc wrote: »

I might be wrong but are you trying to do the quest ''The Lightless Remnant '' at the Rivenspire area?
Because , if that is the case then you need to know that you are not actually supposed to attack the Galgoyles but , instead, use it to destroy the statues by kiting it through the statues. If you have actually managed to kill one then either your class/build is very strong or you must be a pretty decent player

Did keep on killing them on the vr version of the quest for quite a while lol.. on my NB.... took me a while before figured had to have them attack the statues lol...... used bow though.. ran up the stairs with it chasing me jump down to ground and rinse repeat doing damage to it.... felt a bit stupid when figured it out and had killed 2-3 ones that respawned lol.

Esha76

My AD NB completed Cadwell's Gold. Thus - VR10 Gargoyle in the Tongues of Stone quest. Laurant got Stibbons turned to stone, and one stage of the quest you have to "help her" (ie - kill a gargoyle yourself while she cowers) harvbest a gargoyle for some potion thing...

Anyhow, there are various gargoyles in this area infested with gobbos. So you have to pick a lovely looking spot with a goyle, clear out the gobbos in that area, then go to town.

I have seen numerous posts about using Sparks. I'm sure it's a very effective manner to solo these things, but I never used Sparks in all 1- VR 10 levels. I'm sure it works very well, I just don't. A VR10 gargoyle was not the place to learn how to use it. Oh, and be sure to take him down before any of those gobbos re-spawn. If you think a gargoyle is hard, try fighting one with three gobbos wailing on you to.

Bow - leaching strikes. All siphon attacks - use stamina for dodge rolling and sprinting. That passive in the bow gives you a little speed boost from a dodge roll, makes a difference. Then, when I needed a break from sprinting, I would shadow - then surprise attack... both attacks rinse and repeat... he eventually goes down.

Pew - roll - run - pew - siphon - roll - run - pew - siphon - etc....

Tedious, and rather boring to be honest. This is also how my NB took down the Alchemist in Deshaan, not all that entirely different in fight mechanics.

Lynx7386

I remember taking out the vet 5 trolls and such in cyrodiil when my nightblade was in his 30's by using sparks. I think they may have since gone and made large enemies immune to it, though. If sparks works, it essentially makes you invincible against any enemy that uses primarily melee/physical attacks. you hit it every 4~ seconds, and your enemy will never land a strike.

misterme2011

Thanks everyone. It seems as though I missed the point. I'll go back and try to put the gargoyle to work on my behalf.

Troponin

In most cases that an NB took on difficult enemies solo, it was because they were ranged. This is why bow/staff is the preferred secondary weapon. NB's health regen is the weakest in the game and cannot recover fast enough as melee. This is also just not a melee friendly game in general and ranged almost always makes big encounters more manageable

traigusb14_ESO2

Troponin wrote: »

In most cases that an NB took on difficult enemies solo, it was because they were ranged. This is why bow/staff is the preferred secondary weapon. NB's health regen is the weakest in the game and cannot recover fast enough as melee. This is also just not a melee friendly game in general and ranged almost always makes big encounters more manageable

Err....
Health regen is in no way tied to class....

Yeah melee is a lot harder in general.

SBR_QuorTek

Troponin wrote: »

In most cases that an NB took on difficult enemies solo, it was because they were ranged. This is why bow/staff is the preferred secondary weapon. NB's health regen is the weakest in the game and cannot recover fast enough as melee. This is also just not a melee friendly game in general and ranged almost always makes big encounters more manageable

Can work very well close range as well against select targets... eg Harvesters...

Kill kill kill.. move behind... kill kill kill... bubbles spawns... kill kill kill.. bubbles close... aoe aoe aoe.... = dead harvester.. and funny enough remarkable quick as well.

Troponin

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

In most cases that an NB took on difficult enemies solo, it was because they were ranged. This is why bow/staff is the preferred secondary weapon. NB's health regen is the weakest in the game and cannot recover fast enough as melee. This is also just not a melee friendly game in general and ranged almost always makes big encounters more manageable

Err....
Health regen is in no way tied to class....

Yeah melee is a lot harder in general.

Oh, so everyone has dragon blood? Everyone has the same class heals?

You're trying to use my general terminology for ways to recover health as a technical argument. There is recovery, regeneration, health steal/absorb, direct healing, HoTs, siphoning etc. If an NB wants to have any kind of health restoring method comparable to other classes, they need a healing staff

traigusb14_ESO2

Troponin wrote: »

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

In most cases that an NB took on difficult enemies solo, it was because they were ranged. This is why bow/staff is the preferred secondary weapon. NB's health regen is the weakest in the game and cannot recover fast enough as melee. This is also just not a melee friendly game in general and ranged almost always makes big encounters more manageable

Err....
Health regen is in no way tied to class....

Yeah melee is a lot harder in general.

Oh, so everyone has dragon blood? Everyone has the same class heals?

You're trying to use my general terminology for ways to recover health as a technical argument. There is recovery, regeneration, health steal/absorb, direct healing, HoTs, siphoning etc. If an NB wants to have any kind of health restoring method comparable to other classes, they need a healing staff

Health Regen is a specific thing in ESO. So that is what it looked like you were complaining about.

All that other stuff is Healing.

I agree, NBs have very little in-class self/other healing ability. Potions don't cut it either.

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Back on topic.

I have seen people have good luck with circling very fast. I don't know if I could do the timing on that, hasn't worked for me on trolls.

A friend of mine is sitting here drinking all my Coffee. He says he uses Hist Armor set for the extra 20% dodge while blocking when they attack (and all the time vs. everything else it is his default set)... added to his other NB dodge stuff.

IxSTALKERxI

If you have a resto staff you could try using quick siphon on the enemy, then quickly weapon swapping to your dual weild and spam light attack and blood craze. You'll get close to 200 heals per second which might be enough to heal through the incoming damage.

Kego

Troponin wrote: »

If an NB wants to have any kind of health restoring method comparable to other classes, they need a healing staff

Do we? If you want a survival Build with decent DPS than use:

Supprise Attack (DMG)
Blood Craze (Low DMG + DoT & HoT)
Swallow Soul (DMG + HoT)
SAP Essence (Low DMG + Heal + ATK Buff)
Leeching Strikes (Mana, Stamina and Health Regen for each Base Attack)


If you would like to a have a SelfHealing Range Build with decent DPS try:

Venom Arrow (Decent DMG + DoT)
Shadow Silk (Low DMG + 50% Snare)
Swallow Soul (DMG + HoT)
Magnum Shot (Player & Foe Knockback)
Leeching Strike (Mana, Stamina and Health Regen for each Base Attack)

bertenburnyb16_ESO

haha I remember this one "The Lightless Remnant" in rivenspire, was a VR3 zone for me and I did it a couple of months ago on my main, I was also killing gargoyle after gargoyle without succes, I had setup my skillbar to the most tankie and mitigating bar I could get (luckelly I was playin a DK tank), max was 5 gargoyles killed, but the 6th one got me after what, more than half an hour intense combat, so I put a /bug ticket, then on the next try I read the quest.... I felt so stupid, submitted another /bug appologizing for the previous ticket I submitted xd

Troponin

Kego wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

If an NB wants to have any kind of health restoring method comparable to other classes, they need a healing staff

Do we? If you want a survival Build with decent DPS than use:

Supprise Attack (DMG)
Blood Craze (Low DMG + DoT & HoT)
Swallow Soul (DMG + HoT)
SAP Essence (Low DMG + Heal + ATK Buff)
Leeching Strikes (Mana, Stamina and Health Regen for each Base Attack)


If you would like to a have a SelfHealing Range Build with decent DPS try:

Venom Arrow (Decent DMG + DoT)
Shadow Silk (Low DMG + 50% Snare)
Swallow Soul (DMG + HoT)
Magnum Shot (Player & Foe Knockback)
Leeching Strike (Mana, Stamina and Health Regen for each Base Attack)

The issue with the NB is that health restoring comes at a very low rate per second. The damage sustained when you get hit is massive, and the healing is so low, it will never keep you alive from a couple hits. Yes, you dodge, you move etc, but you only have so much stam.

One of my issues is, I don't have sap essence yet. I am struggling to get there because almost all of the really good NB abilities are at skill levels 38+ for almost every skill tree. Meanwhile, I had an amazing build by level 15-20 on my DK and Sorc. I am level 33 on my NB and still don't have Sap essence, and am still 2 skill levels away from it. I have had 3 siphon abilities on my bar now since level 15 and every time I hand in a quest I am sure to have them on there. Even when killing enemies I have at least 2 on at all times.

Hypertionb14_ESO

here is a god mode trick that will work even in the VR levels, but it will require some effort to level a skill line...

Level Restoration Staff high enough to get force siphon....

open a fight by casting force siphon and haste... then switch to Dual Weild and just spam light attacks....

with the other healing you can just stand there taking any attacks those mobs dish out and heal it back up in a instant....

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

So I've had to kill exactly one gargoyle. I still have one waiting for me in bangkorai.

I ultimately just chained shadowy disguise/surprise attack, despite the gargoyle not getting stunned. This was before vr content was nerfed. I used like 4 potions (I advise triple heal pots.) Had leeching strikes up.

It was possible, but it was a very challenging fight. I stealthed past every other gargoyle in that city, including the one guarding the cemetery where the mandatory fight was.

Jice

I never had a problem with them with my NB. The secret is again Sparks from the DW tree. With Siphoning strikes, Haste with the Stamina morph and the base 30% we get now you can keep it up 100% of the time. They never hit you and if they get a swing in before you sparks again, strife and siphoning strikes get you back to 100%. I've soloed tons of world bosses like this.

Same goes for magical bosses, Defensive stance and unlimited stam = no damage.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Jice wrote: »

I never had a problem with them with my NB. The secret is again Sparks from the DW tree. With Siphoning strikes, Haste with the Stamina morph and the base 30% we get now you can keep it up 100% of the time. They never hit you and if they get a swing in before you sparks again, strife and siphoning strikes get you back to 100%. I've soloed tons of world bosses like this.

Same goes for magical bosses, Defensive stance and unlimited stam = no damage.

hmm I wouldn't have thought that would be an effective strategy. If I had the free skillpoints I'd try that build out.