We need Group or Guild restricted forward camps

GunemCleric

I am tired of seeing alts standing around (or hidden behind spawn) who are clearly there to report forward camps. We can restrict chatter to group or guild. Now we need to be able to restrict forward camps to Guild or Group.

It is cheating, if you support it you are cheating. I thought it would be cool in the beginning (no we NEVER did it), but after seeing it play out I realize that spying is cheating, especially since ZOS refuses to punish anyone for anything.

*****OR ZOS needs to step up and stop cheating, for real. If i had one real complaint it is that ZOS does not really even try to prevent or punish cheating/exploiting, at all. People should be afraid to accidentally exploit, not do it as much as possible until ZOS takes notice then claim "whoops". ZOS spends more time fighting "profanity" on the forms that reading the content and doing something about cheaters. People even admit to cheating....and nothing, just emboldens them******

sorry for rant, leaving it cause it felt good.

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I have seen the light, this not cheating. Everyone should do it. Thank you all for the help, just costs 36.00 USD a month and you too can be elite PvP guild (small beginner fee)

Lowbei

i remember when the free rp crowd use to blame their losses on "spies" back in daoc

not much has changed i see

GunemCleric

clear troll, but fine.

If i put down a forward camp out of anyone's site and 5+ people break from a fight (not finish, break) and make a direct line to said forward camp and burn it *before* it is even used the first time (happened the other day except it was 10 who jump off a wall as we watched and ran directly to the camp ~1 minute after it was set)

But my loses? so try to be real here. It could be ESP or maybe they have a auger/psychic playing with them.

Lowbei

lol sounds legit bro

Aeaeren

Lowbei wrote: »

lol sounds legit bro

Spies and traitors make the game way more interesting, all these care bear rules just make it a standardish game really. Taking a well defended keep is a pain but if some scum bag helps them inside well now the choas begins

I guess I am too Shadowbane still as there was all kinds of spying/Traitors going on in that game that made it a blast to play.

Fissh

I have run in many groups that send out scouts specifically to find enemy forward camps. What you are complaining about here is pure tactics. You should in turn figure out new tactics to battle this. It is in fact war, my friend. There is no logic in what you are calling 'cheating' that I can see here. Are you suggesting that some people have 200 monitors with alts camped at all possible spots to drop a forward camp so that they can illicit an immediate response team? Seems a bit crazy, yes? Maybe I am missing some kind of point here....

Lowbei

the free rp crowd will always blame their losses on exploits, hacks and spies, to help their battered egos.

nothing ever changes.

GunemCleric

got no problem with peeps hunting forward camps, no prob with scouts and strategic placement

I have a problem with people logged in with alts that have geosynchronous satellite coverage of battlefields and forward camps. You think that in a war they let that guy talk to his friends on a cell phone the entire time?

There is no strategy to that..."a forward camp appeared 100 meters northwest of bleakers outpost"...really you are all cool with that and consider that making the game fun? It is not the same as, i need 3 to break away, find and destroy forward camps. I do not want to have to log with 1 or 2 alt accounts just to be competitive.

Halrloprillalar

To be entirely fair, this can also be used in the opposite manner to set traps

Lowbei

you are making excuses for your failures based on your theory that someone cheated, with no proof.

GunemCleric

Also, not blaming losses on spies I have see that, but I can tolerate that, but losing 7k AP (and not even using it, i.e. before a battle begins) sucks. They only last 30 minutes, which we would not know if we used them as much as being implied.

Yes, they can be used as an expensive trap. Cheaper to put a keep under attack and wait for response. it breaks immersion for me to realize that statistically there is no way....If we had a guild/group restricted variation then i would never complain if it was spotted.

GunemCleric

Cannot argue with trolling.

If this the way it is then fine. At least I know who all is in support of have alts logged in...

Lowbei

lol trolling? is that what its called when you say something the OP doesnt like?

sorry you failed at your forward camp, next time try harder?

Aeaeren

GunemCleric wrote: »

got no problem with peeps hunting forward camps, no prob with scouts and strategic placement

I have a problem with people logged in with alts that have geosynchronous satellite coverage of battlefields and forward camps. You think that in a war they let that guy talk to his friends on a cell phone the entire time?

There is no strategy to that..."a forward camp appeared 100 meters northwest of bleakers outpost"...really you are all cool with that and consider that making the game fun? It is not the same as, i need 3 to break away, find and destroy forward camps. I do not want to have to log with 1 or 2 alt accounts just to be competitive.

Cool with it, yup I adapt to it. Hell we already don't trust half the people in the alliance as all kinds of things have happened that makes us go "hmmmm" If they want to pay for 2 accounts well that's their choice and if they want to waste one waiting for me to pop a FC well more power to them. I will adapt by popping the FC only when we need it quickly and then send the scout to a new area to be ready with the next one. Now since we are talking about a change to FC how about you allow us to pack it up or make them cheaper?

GunemCleric

look, calling me a failure, saying "making excuses for your failures" and never once address the point i was making. Which was i am not cool with completely unrealistic view of battlefield being used inappropriately, yes i call it cheating, not complaining about tactics or anything. If anything was irritated about wasting AP. Not saying i kept getting killed, was not even part of argument. I am "this is how it is" would have been fine. So yes it is trolling.

GunemCleric

I would be happy with cheaper and being able to pack them up. I hate dropping one, not using it and seeing it rot because did not need it. Having it immediately burned without any rational reason is more irritating. Already have to keep one back when maneuvering, jic. And the zero trust is a problem too, but oh well.

I guess those of us that can afford multiple accounts and subs should do just that and camp enemy side. No honor in war I guess? Maybe join opposing faction's guild too. In my guild it is against the rules to even be homed/guested on same server as another guildmate in another alliance, guess I am old fashioned.

Mod, please close this thread...I think it is going to degrade further into trolling.

Halrloprillalar

There should be guild/group camps and pub camps. Pub camps should be cheap to encourage more people to drop them, and guild/group camps should be expensive, but not visible to anyone else.

Aeaeren

GunemCleric wrote: »

No honor in war I guess? Maybe join opposing faction's guild too. In my guild it is against the rules to even be homed/guested on same server as another guildmate in another alliance, guess I am old fashioned.

Mod, please close this thread...I think it is going to degrade further into trolling.

There was never any honor in war even when they were playing all honorable. Them Knight cheated their butts off!

I get what your saying but I think the thing is as long as everyone can do it then I have no complaints about it except for the real cheating. Being in areas you shouldn't be in and going from one side of the map to the other faster then the Flash, you know real Cheating.

Lowbei

they are too expensive?

i have a million ap just gathering dust...

what are you doing with yours?

also, asking a mod to delete your thread because people disagreed with you is hilarious.

GunemCleric

Good for you. I used mine to play, help others, and my last 100k went to attempt to combat Emp farmers.

I do not remember asking for a delete...nope no delete...I asked for this to close because my concern was addressed and I can see the pointless trolling coming. Actually looks like you are the one who does not want to discuss it rationally

Lowbei

lol if you say so.

sorry your forward camp failed, perhaps better placement in the future could prevent future whine threads from you?

GunemCleric

Yup thank you for the advice

Aeaeren

Lowbei wrote: »

they are too expensive?

i have a million ap just gathering dust...

what are you doing with yours?

also, asking a mod to delete your thread because people disagreed with you is hilarious.

well I repair walls and buy siege and tents. And I hate to admit it but I suck at PvP so I don't have a million AP stored up, just a pitiful 200k I think

Tintinabula

Make guild forward camps something craftable for your guild only.

Pathfinder

Making the "Limited" FC to be User/Group specific would be a good start.

frwinters_ESO

Your rant is silly but there is some merit. I had thought the Forward camps should do exactly what you say, be for your group only. I only thought that because in the beginning they were so expensive. now if you play enough you get tons of AP so its not a big deal anymore.

Having forward camps be for groups would encourage even more group play, larger zergs.

quakedawg_ESO

Hard to argue against having guild (even group) FC. I've never seen a problem with them getting burned down right after placing them though. It's really not difficult to tell when an enemy FC is in the area. Just takes a few seconds of scouting when you suspect it.

Syndy

If you are going to implement Group/Guild only Foward Camps. The logic surrounding Foward Camps will have to be changed as well. Specifically the logic not allowing 2 FC to be in close proximity to each other...

I mean what if someone sets up a group only FC inside a keep under siege, which would then not allow anyone else to set up another FC.

I think it is a good idea, My guild and I have talked about it many times... There is nothing more annoying than being way behind enemy lines, setting up a FC for a worse case scenario, then as soon as you set it up, a friendly zerg appears.

If it is implemented it will require some careful thought and balancing for it to work and be desirable for the whole alliance in a campaign.

Tintinabula

We need to do "something" about spies logging into other accounts and setting up random FCs in the middle of nowhere right before another alliance sieges your keep.

Tonight EP was sieged at arrius and right before the siege two camps went up to ensure none could go up in the keep. Make it so Timers on camps speed up if theyre not used. (at least)