Supporters of the recent Vet+ 1-10 nerf plan to do this upon reaching endgame:

Anastasia

How will the nerf change which made soloing through V+1-10 much more easily, facilitate the learning necessary for players when they reach endgame?

Lodestar

There was little before VR that did this. The notion that VR content was the great leveller in this seem to be a bit of a myth.

hamon

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

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Tavore1138

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

Got there before the change but poll is a little patronising, neh?

They will learn in PvP just like I did when I went into it as a level 10 & realised PvE is no prep for it.

Anastasia

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

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No. Actually I believe that grouping up over a period of time and content most definitely does provide the experience needed to become a real plus for those groups seeking to succeed in PvE endgame content. This has nothing to do with elitism. In other posts I have fully supported those who enjoy primarily soloing to have it - VIA ADDED CONTENT made by ZOS, NOT by deleting and lowering all of V+ 1 - 10 content.

I am sincerely interested in exactly what it is those who want/prefer facilitated soloing through all content up to endgame will do when arriving there, and how this change is going to affect TESO at endgame. That is why I made the poll. Its results do not 'prove' anything, but gives insight into those active on these forums who are currently interested in this topic and nerf.

reggielee

for the love of gaming, quit whining about this. its done and dusted. wait to see what happens fer crissake

Animus0724

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Have you spoken to the people you are defending? I mean really, I have spoken to them on TS and trust me, they are not as intelligent as you you think. They are indeed, whiny and unwilling to listen, the most common phrase I hear is, "It isn't working, you must be wrong, are you sure you got past this part" and my favorite,
"I don't think you know what you are talking about."

Even after explaining to them step by step what to do, they come out as lazy and just end up asking for exploits to get through content they are having a hard time on. So before you go attacking the IQ levels of certain groups, I'd suggest you really listen to these people, a lot of these "elitist" are indeed intelligent enough to come up with strategies that work, something you obviously failed to do.

Csub

I don`t know about others, but I personally don`t find it as easy as some people claim it is. Sure, it is easier but not the "omg I'm 1hitting everything, I am falling asleep" easy.

Anastasia

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Got there before the change but poll is a little patronising, neh?

They will learn in PvP just like I did when I went into it as a level 10 & realised PvE is no prep for it.

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Good point SuraklinPrime - heh, but whether that V+ 1-10 content was up to the challenge of providing awesome training or is diluted travel - space should be left for another discussion honestly.

And though you, I and others may enjoy PvP, I assure you its common knowledge from the derisive posts mixed in on this topic in these forums the last week or so - those that sought the PvE nerf in V+1-10 content are not exactly overly 'supportive' of the players who are PvP-centric. 'Fraid to tell you - you/we are lumped in with the 'elitists' label also.

I want to examine how this recent nerf will affect the mainly PvE players who sought/desire/prefer to solo all content up to endgame. That is why I made the poll.

Anastasia

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

ZOS put the difficulty level there to encourage, focus, provide some minimal inpetus for players to GROUP. That is what has changed.

Swordguy

This poll is definitely not trollbait.

TehMagnus

Desire a tutorial and other content created in V+ 1-10 to assist players get prepared for endgame viability.

I'm voting for last, beacuse people who asked for a nerf will probably get destroyed in harder encounters or against skilled players.

hamon

Anastasia wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

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No. Actually I believe that grouping up over a period of time and content most definitely does provide the experience needed to become a real plus for those groups seeking to succeed in PvE endgame content. This has nothing to do with elitism. In other posts I have fully supported those who enjoy primarily soloing to have it - VIA ADDED CONTENT made by ZOS, NOT by deleting and lowering all of V+ 1 - 10 content.

I am sincerely interested in exactly what it is those who want/prefer facilitated soloing through all content up to endgame will do when arriving there, and how this change is going to affect TESO at endgame. That is why I made the poll. Its results do not 'prove' anything, but gives insight into those active on these forums who are currently interested in this topic and nerf.

your poll is as i stated utterly patronizing and is made on a premise that just isn't the case. i done every single dungeon on the way to vet 12. and i learned very little i didnt already know in doing it. people hardly spoke they just grouped done the dungeon and said cheerio and thanks. .. hardly an apprenticship for end game that can't be gained by simply getting to end game and doing some group stuff there.

your poll just assumes nobody can learn anything at end game and that somehow concerns you.. utter nonsense.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I did not play PvE much after patch, but mobs does not seem to be insanly weaker. I will have to test it more, but I think people will still have a lot of fun. Still playing in group is more fun always.

Nidwin

Are not sure how endgame content relates to them and are uninterested in participating in it.

I did ask for a nerf as for end game content I've actually no idea what you actually see as being end-game for me.

Nick_666

I always enjoy pve and pvp content.
Pvp is different to pve, so i'll enjoy all the pve available.
Then i'll focus on pvp, happy in the knowledge that pve, helped me to pvp, in no way whatsoever.

Anastasia

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

hamon wrote: »

Anastasia wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

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No. Actually I believe that grouping up over a period of time and content most definitely does provide the experience needed to become a real plus for those groups seeking to succeed in PvE endgame content. This has nothing to do with elitism. In other posts I have fully supported those who enjoy primarily soloing to have it - VIA ADDED CONTENT made by ZOS, NOT by deleting and lowering all of V+ 1 - 10 content.

I am sincerely interested in exactly what it is those who want/prefer facilitated soloing through all content up to endgame will do when arriving there, and how this change is going to affect TESO at endgame. That is why I made the poll. Its results do not 'prove' anything, but gives insight into those active on these forums who are currently interested in this topic and nerf.

your poll is as i stated utterly patronizing and is made on a premise that just isn't the case. i done every single dungeon on the way to vet 12. and i learned very little i didnt already know in doing it. people hardly spoke they just grouped done the dungeon and said cheerio and thanks. .. hardly an apprenticship for end game that can't be gained by simply getting to end game and doing some group stuff there.

your poll just assumes nobody can learn anything at end game and that somehow concerns you.. utter nonsense.

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Not insinutating that it is impossible to learn your base class requirements, the gear and weapon goals,or the ability to be flexible and needed by having a few different build set-ups planned when your group or raid leader needs to call on you to fill a different role after you hit endgame.

I am sure that at least for those who are newer to the MMO genre this nerf will either: 1) Negatively affect the players who TRY to even get invites to endgame groups, or 2) Will get invites and then not be able to compete. They will run headlong into needing to carry out the exact research, practice and obtaining necessary equipment they would already have done in V+ 1-10 grouping on their way to endgame.

Its always insightful to get other views about players' experiences which differ from my own, when the information is shared in a respectful way. Its fine that some on this forum has opposing views, that is one way an adult learns. Not by simply saying "I want what I want, and thats my favorite and I want it now." The more information available, definitely the better.

hk11

Needs the option:

Will not affect endgame, because stacking banners isn't hard.

Phantax

Have a definite interest and plan to compete in endgame content.

Regardless of the VR nerf if you haven't learned how to play, customise and adapt your character by VR10 you are basically going to suck anyway !
There are dozens of group dungeons throughout the game prior to VR10, that's an almost perfect way to learn how to interact within a group !
And if your epeen is still not big enough, take off your 3-set of jewellery or play without buffs... it's really that simple !

gamma71

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content. You learn end game content, by gasp doing end game content period, doing v1-v12 vet content did not remotely help me be good at AA first time i did it, you need to learn the fights.

Vet content leveling was boring and repetitive.

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Lunerdog

gamma71 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content.

Agreed.

And I plan to carry on enjoying my gameplay at so called end game, whilst ignoring the self superior crowd completely.

Why on earth do they think people want to group with them anyway ?

Saltypretzels

What is all this "learning" that I hear about? Does that mean people learn how to only use resto/destro staffs and wear light armor? If that is this so called learning, then I am glad that we don't have to learn it anymore.

If you are talking about how to block, how to get out of red circles, and dodge... well, that isn't rocket science. I learned that by around level 15. Why do I need super boring and slow VR content to teach me that?

stupid poll is stupid.

onlinegamer1

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

^ This.
+1.

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LariahHunding

I am sure that people who ghosted through a lot of VR content because it was too frustrating will be equally prepared.

RIGHT NOW, endgame is groups, you learn groups by grouping, in structured dungeons. Want to prepare players for current endgame, force them to do group dungeons along the way.

Fighting overland, op'ed trash mobs in tedious VR content does not prepared one for the current endgame.

AND, probably, only 1% of the 1% are effective in the current endgame without being skirt and stick.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Lunerdog wrote: »

gamma71 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content.

Agreed.

And I plan to carry on enjoying my gameplay at so called end game, whilst ignoring the self superior crowd completely.

Why on earth do they think people want to group with them anyway ?

Because people come to the forums and cry when they get thrown out of their groups. Sort of implies they wanted to be in their groups.

kitsinni

How about an option End Game has nothing in any way to do with the leveling process and everything I learned about end game dungeons/raids was learned in dungeons/raids.

Lunerdog

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

gamma71 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content.

Agreed.

And I plan to carry on enjoying my gameplay at so called end game, whilst ignoring the self superior crowd completely.

Why on earth do they think people want to group with them anyway ?

Because people come to the forums and cry when they get thrown out of their groups. Sort of implies they wanted to be in their groups.

Oh yeah...

I mean I see thousands and thousands of people moaning like that every single day...

Oh wait...

ArRashid

4) will not hurry anywhere, we have time till they implement proper endgame content AND/OR fix stamina builds

current state of the game is light+resto/destro or no group at all..

Epsilon_Echo

After this nerf I solo'd a Dark Anchor without dying. It was VR10. I am VR6. I find it hard to believe that the nerf was needed like this?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Lunerdog wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

gamma71 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content.

Agreed.

And I plan to carry on enjoying my gameplay at so called end game, whilst ignoring the self superior crowd completely.

Why on earth do they think people want to group with them anyway ?

Because people come to the forums and cry when they get thrown out of their groups. Sort of implies they wanted to be in their groups.

Oh yeah...

I mean I see thousands and thousands of people moaning like that every single day...

Oh wait...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118436/kicked-from-pug-trial-group-for-my-playstyle#latest

Front page just like this. 10 pages of crying.

Oh wait...

LariahHunding

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

gamma71 wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

what a stupid poll. The entire premise assumes that somehow having trash mobs be a bit easier means you automatically will be sub standard at end game . Which of course is utter nonsense to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

what i would ask is how do folk who assume such elitist garbage manage to play even remotely half decent when they obviously lack the average adult IQ

Lol took the words right outa my mouth, trash quests and mobs have nothing to do with end game content.

Agreed.

And I plan to carry on enjoying my gameplay at so called end game, whilst ignoring the self superior crowd completely.

Why on earth do they think people want to group with them anyway ?

Because people come to the forums and cry when they get thrown out of their groups. Sort of implies they wanted to be in their groups.

Oh yeah...

I mean I see thousands and thousands of people moaning like that every single day...

Oh wait...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118436/kicked-from-pug-trial-group-for-my-playstyle#latest

Front page just like this. 10 pages of crying.

Oh wait...

One does not equal thousands and thousands.........

learn2math