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ZoS, are you aware of the exploits that blues are using in Auriel's Bow?
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Not asking you to tell us what actions you are taking, I am only asking you to simply acknowledge that you're aware of the exploiting, that's all.
For those unaware:
- taking keeps without knocking down walls
- speed hacks
- teleporting around the map without Forward Camps or Keep transit lines
These have all been reported, videos posted on youtube, etc. (Forum rules prevent me from linking them, but searching is easy).
Again, ZoS, I am only asking for a "Yes, we are aware of these exploits and are taking appropriate action which we can't discuss." Because it seems like you aren't even aware.
For those unaware:
- taking keeps without knocking down walls
- speed hacks
- teleporting around the map without Forward Camps or Keep transit lines
These have all been reported, videos posted on youtube, etc. (Forum rules prevent me from linking them, but searching is easy).
Again, ZoS, I am only asking for a "Yes, we are aware of these exploits and are taking appropriate action which we can't discuss." Because it seems like you aren't even aware.
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forthewinn2✭✭✭lol, I was wondering how Daggerfall took Emerorship from us all 6 scrolls and every keep on the map overnight........2
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IKilled007✭✭✭✭Can you send me a link to the videos of people teleporting around the maps without Forward Camps or transit lines?The only substitute for victory is overkill.2 -
Naw_Sunrest✭✭You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit.
Instead of crying about exploits and hacks, look to yourself, your guild and faction about improving your game and getting better.Edited by Naw_Sunrest on July 8, 2014 10:44PM4 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
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IKilled007✭✭✭✭Are you linking the videos or what? Send them to me privately.The only substitute for victory is overkill.0
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eh, i was going to write a long post on each of the op's false accusations and describe what he's actually seeing. but i'll just try and keep it constructive and say...
L2P
EDIT: DAMN YOU KITTY! You're ruining our fun by explaining all those accusations op made.Edited by bsheffield2008ub17_ESO on July 8, 2014 10:56PM0 -
yorzo✭✭✭you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.1 -
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-taking keeps without knocking down walls.
Now this is completely impossible. Well there is the invisible keep wall bug, but that is not a repeatable bug and ESO has been patched to force reload UI when the bug occurs. There is no way to take flags with out a breach. This accusation is mere rumor and holds no backing.
It is possible and I'm only speaking from personal experience at two different events. DK's are dragon leaping into walls (both outer and inner) without breaking down our keep walls. On one instance, 4 or 5 DKs leaped into the keep wall without broken walls and surprised attacked everyone inside. Now I am not sure if this actually intended or not, but from the looks of it, it can borderline be an exploit.1 -
Naw_Sunrest✭✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
You're seeing things, friend. And why do I need to chain pull people up a wall when we can just jump to your guys standing on the ledge?1 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭Ill take some time to put insight to these topics.
-taking keeps without knocking down walls.
Now this is completely impossible. Well there is the invisible keep wall bug, but that is not a repeatable bug and ESO has been patched to force reload UI when the bug occurs. There is no way to take flags with out a breach. This accusation is mere rumor and holds no backing.
-Speed hacks
There is currently a bug with the specters eye set, along with being a vampire and getting knocked down. Something with both of these trigger a bug in the game that allows you to run extremely fast. I have the 5 piece specters eye set, and I have got this bug in PVE as well. Specters Eye set is most likely the biggest cause of the bug. It is a programming bug, not a hack.
-Teleporting around the map without FW Camps.
I play the DC side, on prime nights. FW camps are set up everywhere. People take time to prepare their attacks and put camps in position prior to attacking. It is called strategy and planning.
In no way is this an attack on you or AD as a whole, but I'm just going to throw this out there. A group of skilled players from the DC side come to DC and are outnumbered on prime times at least 1-10. That being said, they can coordinate, take keeps, and hold off 1-10 odds. That is solid teamwork, map awareness, and planning. Rather then show sportsmanship, you look for excuses to why you are not winning. To become a better player, you must learn from what is being done wrong, not by thinking you are the best and others are cheating.
Completely false about the walls needing to be breached. I have seen 5 to 6 people get chained up walls by low level DKs (I am assuming alts) only to have the small team work their way down and take the keep.
Yes, 6 people are enough to take a keep, I have done it before with six, but we actually broke the walls down and it took close to an hour. Not DK wall bypass exploit and cap in 10 minutes.0 -
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Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man.
O, be some other name!
What's in a name?
That which we call a rose?
By any other name would smell as sweet.
Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
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MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭You know I don't think the defenders at Troy went to the forums to complain when a small group of Greeks were able to take their keep with strategy and planning......On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.3 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
You're seeing things, friend. And why do I need to chain pull people up a wall when we can just jump to your guys standing on the ledge?
Difference is if there are other players already there or not. If there is someone, obviously leap, if not, create one. Much easier to take an unmanned keep than one full of people.0 -
MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.0 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.
No, my first thought was not exploits. Mine was brain aneurysm. Afterwards I thought, good for them, maybe we will finally get a good three way war. Either way, it would not be surprising that exploits are being used. Especially not surprising with all the Emperor swapping going on.
The only point I was trying to point out is that there are plenty of people that think just because the game allows them to do things like DK wall climbing, that it somehow is not an exploit.
The reason why it was shocking because in 2 or 3 hours time. The entire map flipped. The sheer amount of people needed to do that with knocked down walls, repaired walls, etc would be astronomical. Very impressive if you managed to muster up the people. Even if you sent runners to each and every keep with camps. Took the keep with only 1 or 2 resources. Suicide at the remaining resource. Spawn at new camp, etc. The amount of time needed to take every keep in the entite map would still be longer than 2 or 3 hours.
If this was done legitimately, hats off to you. But every one denying that these exploits exist, or that they are even exploits...playing with fire in my opinion. I hope you avoid the ban hammer if Zenimax makes the decision to swing it if you are using these techniques.1 -
DeadkittySoul ShrivenIll take some time to put insight to these topics.
-taking keeps without knocking down walls.
Now this is completely impossible. Well there is the invisible keep wall bug, but that is not a repeatable bug and ESO has been patched to force reload UI when the bug occurs. There is no way to take flags with out a breach. This accusation is mere rumor and holds no backing.
It is possible and I'm only speaking from personal experience at two different events. DK's are dragon leaping into walls (both outer and inner) without breaking down our keep walls. On one instance, 4 or 5 DKs leaped into the keep wall without broken walls and surprised attacked everyone inside. Now I am not sure if this actually intended or not, but from the looks of it, it can borderline be an exploit.
There is only, to my knowledge, ONE, keep you can dragon leap into from the outside. That does not account for the rest. And They changed the dragon leap vertical, so this may no longer be possible to begine with.
Completely false about the walls needing to be breached. I have seen 5 to 6 people get chained up walls by low level DKs (I am assuming alts) only to have the small team work their way down and take the keep.
Yes, 6 people are enough to take a keep, I have done it before with six, but we actually broke the walls down and it took close to an hour. Not DK wall bypass exploit and cap in 10 minutes.
They also changed DK chain. You cannot pull people up, nor down from the wall.1 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭Ill take some time to put insight to these topics.
-taking keeps without knocking down walls.
Now this is completely impossible. Well there is the invisible keep wall bug, but that is not a repeatable bug and ESO has been patched to force reload UI when the bug occurs. There is no way to take flags with out a breach. This accusation is mere rumor and holds no backing.
It is possible and I'm only speaking from personal experience at two different events. DK's are dragon leaping into walls (both outer and inner) without breaking down our keep walls. On one instance, 4 or 5 DKs leaped into the keep wall without broken walls and surprised attacked everyone inside. Now I am not sure if this actually intended or not, but from the looks of it, it can borderline be an exploit.
There is only, to my knowledge, ONE, keep you can dragon leap into from the outside. That does not account for the rest. And They changed the dragon leap vertical, so this may no longer be possible to begine with.
Completely false about the walls needing to be breached. I have seen 5 to 6 people get chained up walls by low level DKs (I am assuming alts) only to have the small team work their way down and take the keep.
Yes, 6 people are enough to take a keep, I have done it before with six, but we actually broke the walls down and it took close to an hour. Not DK wall bypass exploit and cap in 10 minutes.
They also changed DK chain. You cannot pull people up, nor down from the wall.
Uh, no. They changed it so you can't pull people THROUGH walls. They can still pull off or up unless it was hit fixed in the last 5 hours.0 -
DeadkittySoul ShrivenMonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.
No, my first thought was not exploits. Mine was brain aneurysm. Afterwards I thought, good for them, maybe we will finally get a good three way war. Either way, it would not be surprising that exploits are being used. Especially not surprising with all the Emperor swapping going on.
The only point I was trying to point out is that there are plenty of people that think just because the game allows them to do things like DK wall climbing, that it somehow is not an exploit.
The reason why it was shocking because in 2 or 3 hours time. The entire map flipped. The sheer amount of people needed to do that with knocked down walls, repaired walls, etc would be astronomical. Very impressive if you managed to muster up the people. Even if you sent runners to each and every keep with camps. Took the keep with only 1 or 2 resources. Suicide at the remaining resource. Spawn at new camp, etc. The amount of time needed to take every keep in the entite map would still be longer than 2 or 3 hours.
If this was done legitimately, hats off to you. But every one denying that these exploits exist, or that they are even exploits...playing with fire in my opinion. I hope you avoid the ban hammer if Zenimax makes the decision to swing it if you are using these techniques.
Lets not forget all the other exploits that AD/EP/DC used at their leisure multiple times in the past. This is a fallacious assumption to accuse people of exploiting when, in the past, the majority population all used the same exploits.
-Wayshrine bug to get into spawn
-WW speed bug
-Caltrops Immune to all siege
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the OP is right, just saw 2 speed hacks last week, both were DC.nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit.
Instead of crying about exploits and hacks, look to yourself, your guild and faction about improving your game and getting better.
not sure about the other 2 things.
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✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
That was nerfed so you haven't seen it recently. Fiery Grip can no long pull if the target is above or below.
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Rammanjeff✭✭We saw them playing dirty today from early morning Pacific time until just a few hours ago. Some even recorded them hacking and using exploits.
All we can do is hope that ZOS_Admins look into it and ban the Empress and her followers.
I vote for leaving the campaign all blue and moving to another campaign. If nobody tries to battle the DC smurfs, they gain nothing. We get a new campaign to play in and no exploiters or griefers to contend with!It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. ~ Thomas Sowell0 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.
No, my first thought was not exploits. Mine was brain aneurysm. Afterwards I thought, good for them, maybe we will finally get a good three way war. Either way, it would not be surprising that exploits are being used. Especially not surprising with all the Emperor swapping going on.
The only point I was trying to point out is that there are plenty of people that think just because the game allows them to do things like DK wall climbing, that it somehow is not an exploit.
The reason why it was shocking because in 2 or 3 hours time. The entire map flipped. The sheer amount of people needed to do that with knocked down walls, repaired walls, etc would be astronomical. Very impressive if you managed to muster up the people. Even if you sent runners to each and every keep with camps. Took the keep with only 1 or 2 resources. Suicide at the remaining resource. Spawn at new camp, etc. The amount of time needed to take every keep in the entite map would still be longer than 2 or 3 hours.
If this was done legitimately, hats off to you. But every one denying that these exploits exist, or that they are even exploits...playing with fire in my opinion. I hope you avoid the ban hammer if Zenimax makes the decision to swing it if you are using these techniques.
Lets not forget all the other exploits that AD/EP/DC used at their leisure multiple times in the past. This is a fallacious assumption to accuse people of exploiting when, in the past, the majority population all used the same exploits.
-Wayshrine bug to get into spawn
-WW speed bug
-Caltrops Immune to all siege
Only seen DC use the wayshrine bug on Aurels Bow.
WW speed bug? Must have missed that one. Been a WW from level 38, naturally (via NPC not player), but didn't start PvP until VR5 or so. Probably fixed by then.
Caltrops...everyone is dirty on that one. Everyone was using them, even if you didn't want to, someone in the group did. Glad they fixed it.
Now, I am not OP. Personally I think OP needs to stop with the public QQ and continue sending in his report player tickets. If it is exploiting or cheating, ZeniMax will do what they need to do to fix it. Patch or ban, or whatever.
But if exploiting was used...this "superior tactics and out played" drum should not be beaten so loudly. Especially if it comes out that exploits were in fact used.
Like I said, if this was legitimate, hats off to you. My crusade is against people that somehow think that exploits don't exist or what they are doing is not an exploit when it clearly is.1
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