Major Show Stopper LOW FPS.

TESOrite

I am an avid player and must admit that many factors of ESO are right on target i.e. Storyline, Content, Graphics BUT ! a major show stopper is and will always be low FPS (which is not correct because the acronym means Frame Per Second and refers to graphic speed and not server Latency) in PVP. Although there have been a few patches, the problem of low FPS has not being addressed from Zenimax or better yet solved. It is no surprise that many are leaving in droves due to low FPS. Most once reaching the Vet level, PVP quite a bit as a change of pace or as "primary fun". The competition aspect is also developed and started under these standard PVP conditions. Skills can also not be further developed and players then become frustrated and leave the game for another game, possibly an FTP (free to play) due to the concensus that, if I am going to pay quite a bit of money to suscribe to this game we expect it to work properly. So in closing, a comment and a question. You will loose many players and with that profits so, from a player and business perspective "you need to get your act together". My question of course will be "when will Cyrodiill be fixed". FYI I have a 100Mbit internet connection, dual GTX 660s in SLI, Intel i7 on an MSI Z Gaming mainboard overclocked to 4.3MhZ, 1TB SSD jada, jada, jada ..... the low FPS has nothing to do with my system setup.

KariTR

This is news!

Madval

Am I the last one with no fps problem ?.. I must admit I have not logged today yet. Will check now.

TESOrite

I have been measuring the FPS problem and noticed (of course) that the more players are in one specific area the larger the LAG (server latency). There is also a difference if you are in a group (LAG) or not in a group. Even the group size has made a difference. In the PVE world I have noticed 0% LAG I should add.

@KariTR I take you are just being sarcastic or do you have something worthwhile to contribute ???

KariTR

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TESOrite

@KariTR The other posts had a Troll'esk tone and so I did not post under them. Did not know you were the Forum patrol .... LOL or Grammer patrol but I guess if you have nothing better to do ....what the hell .... LOL.

I will post further test results using a LAG tester called Grinder to attempt to find a way around the LAG other than not playing

KariTR

Pfft. I suppose if I suggest you go to the support forums to seek some technical help you will throw that back in my face too

TESOrite

@KariTR Not at all .... Mind you, Tech help was not able to, pardon the pun, help. Fortunately I do have very specific technical skills in which I can possibly help myself and others if I can find a Workaround to this problem (Could not help but use ITIL language for those that understand it).

So, no tears m8 just trying to help.

KariTR

Well tech support forum is open to everyone. You don't need an official to respond, just anyone who can help will do. And the people who enjoy helping with technical issues are more likely to be found there than here.

TESOrite

While I was chatting away I have the results for the second Grinder tests. It seems that there is a mixture of Framerate problems (FPS) and LAG (server sided Network routing problems).

I was able to improve classical FPS problems by tuneing down Shadowing and Anti-Alaising which reduced the size of the data packages going to the server somewhat in Cyridiill, but just by a hair (15 FPS instead of 8).

If you noticed I specifically mentioned reduced the data package size. I noticed that the game itsself is just fine and local config is also not producing the LAG. I used a Proxy to see if the LAG improves if the routing hops are shorter to no avail.

The only thing left that I can see is Network Server performance on the Zenimax side of things. Reboots of the game improve a bit till the Memory buffer is full and then its 8 FPS again. I am going to attempt to increase the mem buff and see if that helps or do some package shaping and see if that helps.

See you soon.

Flynch

Serious question - where and when are these FPS drops happening? PvE, PvP or both? Is it repeatable or just a constant poor FPS?

I've experienced some pretty janky sound desyncing and keypress delay etc but so far i've had pretty decent FPS (though still not sure wtf is up with the 3-4 second freezes every now and again - presumably phasing)

crislevin

Flynch wrote: »

Serious question - where and when are these FPS drops happening? PvE, PvP or both? Is it repeatable or just a constant poor FPS?

I've experienced some pretty janky sound desyncing and keypress delay etc but so far i've had pretty decent FPS (though still not sure wtf is up with the 3-4 second freezes every now and again - presumably phasing)

its hard to say as report varies. but most people report the fps drop occurs with large battles (4-5 players, lol). some suspects lighting improvement in the patch is the problem.

there are also people reporting fps drop in the middle of nowhere, all alone.

some ppl reported fps can recover after a while, others observe a trend with time goes by.

so, not very informative to say the least.

all we know is it exists, in pvp and pve (more severe in pvp) and affects significant portion of players one way or another, one time or another.

TESOrite

Well the FPS drop is happening primarily in Cyrodiil (PVP). Which is not surprising due to the constant re-syncing with the server (btw that would then be server LAG).

MY graphic FPS is fantastic in PVE even under crowded locations but that is because Zenimax did a really good job of layering of player instances which is really difficult in a PVP session.

Keypress delay is also part of the LAG problem to a certain extent.

TESOrite

So far as I can see, and my Grinder is still running, it seems like some form of memory overflow in the routing which would explain the eratic behaivior.

Will know more once Grinder is done.

Flynch

If its random and seemingly acts without any sort of stimulus (either too much or too little) then i'd probably lean towards a network issue. That or the game engine has become less optimized somehow - which is a pretty spectacularly large issue.

So here's hoping for a network error.

ItsRejectz

Hit a record today.........2fps

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

Have has only minimal issues in PVE with my FPS. I do not have vet level characters so I don't know about that. I have stated this in one of the many, many other threads on this. I have almost all settings on high also.

I am not denying there is an issue. However it is much harder to fix when some players are experiencing it badly and others are not.

TESOrite

So far the extremly low FPS is a CYrodiil PVP problem and less so under PVE. If it is PVE for you then the problem is more than likely a local framerate problem (Graphic card, CPU and the like).

The PVP LAG is a different monster all together. All that re-syncing to moving players is a huge task to beat.

@Flynch I agree and hope it is only a networking overflow problem. If its the engine though I would expect some PVE problems also, which I have not seen or measured.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

TESOrite wrote: »

So far the extremly low FPS is a CYrodiil PVP problem and less so under PVE. If it is PVE for you then the problem is more than likely a local framerate problem (Graphic card, CPU and the like).

The PVP LAG is a different monster all together. All that re-syncing to moving players is a huge task to beat.

@Flynch I agree and hope it is only a networking overflow problem. If its the engine though I would expect some PVE problems also, which I have not seen or measured.

I can confirm PvE lag is a very real thing. It's just not as easily triggered because it's a ghost-world and you don't run into as many players.

I would suggest slotting Volcanic Rune if you have it and splashing that around in PvE and see how long the game runs fine for.

Another bug I've noticed that causes graphic issues, and slowly degrades performance, is camo-hunter in PvE. All mobs will glow and have an affect like a node with keen-eye coming off them. Try either of these to trigger the problems in PvE. They're not the root of the problem but they're symptoms and the quickest way to trigger the unresponsive, laggy play. In PvP you just multiply that experience by 100. There is something rotten with the code.

Lower levels may not trigger it as easily but the bugs are still there. Same code.

TESOrite

I agree you have a problem but in this case it is just a case of definition. LAG is server/networking problems where FPS (frames per second) is primarily a graphics/hardware/sytem problem. From what you wrote I would suggest lowering your graphic settings and trying again and see how your FPS improves.

Most people are using Bazgrims tool which is part of Wykkyds add-on and on there is an FPS counter which can confuse people as to the problem they are having.

@ferzalrwb17_ESO In your case I would look at your system first. Given lowering the graphic settings kinda sucks but that may help you in the long run.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

TESOrite wrote: »

@ferzalrwb17_ESO In your case I would look at your system first. Given lowering the graphic settings kinda sucks but that may help you in the long run.

Graphic settings are irrelevant.

TESOrite

@ferzalrwb17_ESO unfortunately that is not correct in the literal sense but maybe you meant something else. Do you mean that you changed your settings and it did not help. Then it may be your system.

None the less, just for the definition. LAG defines server/network based problems where as FPS defines local hardware/graphic based problems.

Yes you can have a mix in which your graphic data packages going over the network are not optimal and causes LAG and FPS problems but typical troubleshooting would be to look at the problem in the route of events of said problem.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

^Gotta be a troll. Certainly. Ridiculous comments.

And, for common usage, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lag

Graphic settings have, literally, no effect on any of the problems in this game's code including, of course, server lag, client/server sync issues, animation and ability delay and, even, the FPS issue. I, and, everyone else have tried this. Of course we have. What an absurd notion to think it hasn't been tried.

Maybe if you have a system from the dark ages your suggestion may have merit. Troll away though...

someuser

I don't think the FPS is due to computer hardware. I've said many times now, it doesn't make much difference if I drop my setting all the way down or put them all the way up. All the way up -10fps all the way down +15fps. There is something more going on.

TESOrite

@ferzalrwb17_ESO ... no Trolls here M8 on the contrary your comments are very trollish.

None the less, I do not require Wikipedia for a definition and due to the fact that we have no idea what type of system the person has it is normal to check those settings.

From what I see you are saying that it is only the "games's code" as the source of the problem and I agree but only to an extent. You are able to manipulate FPS with settings alone which can also have an impact on server LAG.

Grinder is almost done and I am courious to the results.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

TESOrite wrote: »

@ferzalrwb17_ESO ... no Trolls here M8 on the contrary your comments are very trollish.

None the less, I do not require Wikipedia for a definition and due to the fact that we have no idea what type of system the person has it is normal to check those settings.

From what I see you are saying that it is only the "games's code" as the source of the problem and I agree but only to an extent. You are able to manipulate FPS with settings alone which can also have an impact on server LAG.

Grinder is almost done and I am courious to the results.

I apologise in that case and remove the troll accusation and simply refer to it as uninformed and pointless.

This comment for example:

You are able to manipulate FPS with settings alone which can also have an impact on server LAG

makes no sense and is totally incorrect.

Impacts server lag? LOL.

As to the FPS issue: no matter the settings my FPS sits on vsync cap in most situations so they have zero impact. If I turn off Vsync it sits on the 100 cap that /fps displays.

When the FPS falls, again, settings are irrelevant. I get the same FPS on low, medium, high or ultra. Do you have a 486 and an S3 video card?

You, clearly, have absolutely no idea what's going on here. no technical expertise and I would recommend, with all respect, shhh. Thanks for trying but if the game is working for you at level 15 or whatever you're at... just go enjoy it.

TESOrite

@ferzalrwb17_ESO ... yep that is typical troll attention getting ... As to my qualifications, more than you may think. My toon level higher than you may like. As to my hardware, I think you can read and can see that above. Be a good boy and go back to bed and leave the adults alone (I must admit that was trollish).

If you read in the Tech or Support Forum there are multiple answers from Zenimax as well as multiple well informed users pointing to specific settings which has given positive results no different here other that I am attempting to isolate and find a workaround to the problem. I am not really sure what you are trying to do other than troll me ... if your not helping then do something else no need to bother those who are attempting to help.

jambam817_ESO

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Hit a record today.........2fps

Lol, that looks like an Everquest screenshot. Go Go Low Settings!

crislevin

TESOrite wrote: »

So far the extremly low FPS is a CYrodiil PVP problem and less so under PVE. If it is PVE for you then the problem is more than likely a local framerate problem (Graphic card, CPU and the like).

Absolutely untrue, if it works perfectly before, it cannot possibly be my GPU/CPU suddenly.

TESOrite

Well Grinder is done and I also decided to use my AIDE64 to monitor everything at the same time and the number of problems sky rocketed.

1- Comparing AIDE64 information to MSI AB shows that the graphic card is ideling down. Cannot pin point when because it seems to be random.
2- Net traffic shoots through the roof in cyrodiil (no surprise there) but the data packages and re-sync rate is coming in spurts. Interesting is that when porting to cyrodiil all is ok then once in a large group or battle FPS drops data package error increase at the same time. G-card is not idle.

Going to attempt a few setting changes and see what happens. A few other forum points seem interesting to try.

Audigy

FYI I have a 100Mbit internet connection, dual GTX 660s in SLI, Intel i7 on an MSI Z Gaming mainboard overclocked to 4.3MhZ, 1TB SSD jada, jada, jada ..... the low FPS has nothing to do with my system setup.

It must be your system.

I run a 2500k stock and a 280x and have a steady 40 - 50 FPS on Ultra. The only time it drops to 30 or sometimes 25 is in towns or large battles which is due the draw calls limit by the CPU.

While I agree that the game engine needs help either by Mantle or a second / third thread - your system should still run without any FPS issue´s.

Maybe you have a heat problem or a driver issue, maybe SLI doesn't work that good at ESO - but I played ESO with a 6950 on ultra at 35 FPS so there is definitely something on your end that causes the problems.

That said I repeat, the ESO engine needs help. To run an MMO on a single thread is not ok and it must be addressed ASAP.