How do sorcs hit so hard?

Forztr

Slightly off topic
How much should overload light attack hit for and how many time can it be used in a row.
Reason I asked I got killed a few times tonight by a sorc who seemed to just spam that for 900 a pop and it seemed to hit pretty quickly.

Knack666

@Forztr‌
About 600 to 900 dmg every second (It is a normal light attack) and how often depends on how much you overcharged your ultimate. it costs 23 points now. So possible 6 to over 20 times in i row, i think.
Needs training for proper use but is deadly when masterd^^ (I'm not using it atm, cause it seems it uses weapon crit, but haven't tested this enough)

@Morticielle‌
4 shards in 3 seconds? lol
You know, casting two shards in a row needs about 2 seconds, not 1,3. (10 shards take about 21 seconds)
And it does not proc on itself.

But i love it, when i'm healing and someone thinks, it is a good idea to attack me Instant Shard -> knockback; time for weaponswitch -> burst enemy to death

EDIT:
costs 23 ultimate points

zScars

Damage your taking is critical damage. Normal hits will never do 1k.

If a sorc really hates you, he'll use a resto staff, w/ cycle of life passive, and a spell pot and probably 2 hit you

Soloeus

zScars wrote: »

Damage your taking is critical damage. Normal hits will never do 1k.

If a sorc really hates you, he'll use a resto staff, w/ cycle of life passive, and a spell pot and probably 2 hit you

Do any racials that make pots better interact with the spell crit/spell damage effect of pots?

KBKB

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

"How do sorcs hit so hard?"

We work out.

Everyday!

Morticielle

Knack666 wrote: »

@Morticielle‌
4 shards in 3 seconds? lol
You know, casting two shards in a row needs about 2 seconds, not 1,3. (10 shards take about 21 seconds)

Lern to read. I quote myself:

Morticielle wrote: »

3 in 1 sec no, but 3 in 4 sec yes. Don't forget that Crystal Fragments has a 35% chance of an instant proc.

Do you understand the words "3 in 4 sec"? Not 4 Crystal Fragments in 3 seconds, but the other way around: 3 Crystal Fragments in 4 seconds. And this is definitely possible.

Knack666 wrote: »

And it does not proc on itself.

Thats why I wrote:

Morticielle wrote: »

So the first and the third cast can be procs and the second ist casted normally with another instant cast your choice in between.

And from that instant cast can come a proc!

So every word I wrote is right. And now I'm awaiting your apology.

KBKB

^ wouldn't hold my breath on a forum bro

Jarnhand

Black-Bird wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

Problem with ESO is it breaks the normal logic in MMOs:
Casters = soft but hard hitting targets
they can have just as much HP and armor as any other class if they choose to.

Sorcs also suck at stealth. If you've ever hunted with a medium-armor wearer, they have numerous, significant advantages in the hiding game. Yes, anyone can hide in place. But the leather clad are more mobile when doing so.

This.

No, medium armor has hardly any advantage over light armor when sneaking. Yeah yeah I know, use a little less stamina and sneak a little faster, big deal.

Problem is stealth detection, medium armor nor NBs skills does give any better stealth detection. The other day I had a sorc walk right over me, he didnt see me, I didnt see him until he walked right over me. The only way to get any better stealth detection that make any difference (the armor sets with about +2 more meters does hardly anything) is potions, and everyone can use em, and do, especially sneaky playstyle chars, no matter what class.

A good Sorc sneak when there are sneaking enemies around, us a detection potion, and then 2-3 shot any NB (you are knocked down and hit 2 times before you can break cc from 'shards').

The problem with sneaking in this game is that all classes are equally good at it. And the one class that need to be better at it (NB) is not. And when they cannot start with a sneak attack they are often outdamaged and dead. The logic/playstyle is simply put broken. NBs should have had passives that give better stealth and detection, this should not be hard to understand and is needed for the class to function. It should NOT be linked to armor type, that would be even more game breaking then it is now.

Jarnhand

ItsRejectz wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

Nothing irregular about it...And sorcs can hit for 1.2k because they put all stats into spell crit chance and spell damage. My shard hits for 1.2k and i have 52.5 crit chance with 130 spell damage. Even though it hits hard, its still no way near the highest dps due to the casting time

Please know what you are talking about before you list your 'facts'.
That video is 2 months old, there were used an exploit you would have a hard time doing in PvP. AND it is now fixed! It never was a problem in PvP, it was an exploit used in PvE to 'oneshot' bosses. And of course, on top of that he was using a staff and cloth armor.

Morticielle

Jarnhand wrote: »

The problem with sneaking in this game is that all classes are equally good at it. And the one class that need to be better at it (NB) is not.

Sorry, but that is wrong. Every mentally sane NB will wear some medium armor and will have the passive skilled, which reduces the range somebody can detect them. And therefore their stealth is better. Maybe not much, but still better. And they can go to stealth infight, which every other class can not.

KBKB

Jarnhand wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

Problem with ESO is it breaks the normal logic in MMOs:
Casters = soft but hard hitting targets
they can have just as much HP and armor as any other class if they choose to.

Sorcs also suck at stealth. If you've ever hunted with a medium-armor wearer, they have numerous, significant advantages in the hiding game. Yes, anyone can hide in place. But the leather clad are more mobile when doing so.

This.

No, medium armor has hardly any advantage over light armor when sneaking. Yeah yeah I know, use a little less stamina and sneak a little faster, big deal.

Reread what you wrote,

Less stam used, and faster sneaking. considering that if two players are both stealthed its a race to bust the other one out first (this is forgetting pots as not everyone uses them). I would say using less and stam (how many sorcs are rolling stam builds?) and faster sneak is a HUGE advantage.

Knack666

Morticielle wrote: »

Knack666 wrote: »

@Morticielle‌
4 shards in 3 seconds? lol
You know, casting two shards in a row needs about 2 seconds, not 1,3. (10 shards take about 21 seconds)

Lern to read. I quote myself:

Morticielle wrote: »

3 in 1 sec no, but 3 in 4 sec yes. Don't forget that Crystal Fragments has a 35% chance of an instant proc.

Do you understand the words "3 in 4 sec"? Not 4 Crystal Fragments in 3 seconds, but the other way around: 3 Crystal Fragments in 4 seconds. And this is definitely possible.

Knack666 wrote: »

And it does not proc on itself.

Thats why I wrote:

Morticielle wrote: »

So the first and the third cast can be procs and the second ist casted normally with another instant cast your choice in between.

And from that instant cast can come a proc!

So every word I wrote is right. And now I'm awaiting your apology.

Don't work and write^^ Yep you said 3 in 4, sry^^

So first an instant, then two casts = 5 sec

I've never had a proc on an instant, but also can not deny it is possible.

Apology from me? Never ever

Morticielle

Knack666 wrote: »

Apology from me? Never ever

Well, I'm in forgiving mood today, so I won't kill you for your insult. But I will kill you on the battlefield for being an Ebonheart basterd! (where the f... is the hurling smiley which I would like to post here?)

Vis

1.2k is far from the norm. The sorc stacked a lot against you to get that high and is now a one trick pony.

Do you know why you don't hear a lot of complaints about fragments? It is because it is by far the most predictable and easily blocked/dodged/reflected/absorbed skill in the game.

I can go a whole day in pvp and only be successfully hit by fragments half a dozen times.

Kypho

griszax wrote: »

Crystal fragment got cast time btw It's not like u can spam 3 crystal fragments in 1 s Nightblades can do much higher burst damage without relaying on lucky procs.

lucky procs???? 35% is hardly lucky proc. you could say it if it were 15% what it should be...
give me 35% dodge and i will tell you when i dodge your attacks, and killing you, that it was just lucky dodges.... crystal fragments skill is far too OP but who cares, but dont say its lucky proc...

Halrloprillalar

Vis wrote: »

1.2k is far from the norm. The sorc stacked a lot against you to get that high and is now a one trick pony.

Do you know why you don't hear a lot of complaints about fragments? It is because it is by far the most predictable and easily blocked/dodged/reflected/absorbed skill in the game.

I can go a whole day in pvp and only be successfully hit by fragments half a dozen times.

ahhh the voice of reason, it hurts people's ears too much I think.

PSA: the shards can be dodged, invis'd, blocked (most of the dmg and cc), reflected, and LOS'd if you do it during cast.

Also if the sorc is doing nothing but shards he is not going to have a lot of magika and likely little defenses so you can cc/burst them back if you are skilled.

Hard casting shards 1v1 is not exactly the best course of action in most cases

Snit

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Hard casting shards 1v1 is not exactly the best course of action in most cases

Yep - Hardcast Shards is the sorc version of sneak attacks from stealth. It's excellent against unaware targets. Against competent players aware of your presence, it's somewhere between ineffective and suicidal, depending on what they have loaded.

Snit

Jarnhand wrote: »

No, medium armor has hardly any advantage over light armor when sneaking...

The problem with sneaking in this game is that all classes are equally good at it.

I assume your expectations must include some huge, class-based backstab multiplier, as is typical for rogue classes. And, yes -- TESO gives a smaller version of that to physical damage classes. That's still not everyone. Spell casters get no damage bonus for stealthing.

Beyond damage bonuses, a NB in medium armor does have advantages:

- Move faster (25% from a class ability)
- Sneak longer (medium armor stamina recovery)
- Hide better (medium armor detection radius)

You can even pile a racial bonus (Bosmer or Kittycat) on top of this to be really good at hide-and-seek.

Halrloprillalar

Knack666 wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

Knack666 wrote: »

@Morticielle‌
4 shards in 3 seconds? lol
You know, casting two shards in a row needs about 2 seconds, not 1,3. (10 shards take about 21 seconds)

Lern to read. I quote myself:

Morticielle wrote: »

3 in 1 sec no, but 3 in 4 sec yes. Don't forget that Crystal Fragments has a 35% chance of an instant proc.

Do you understand the words "3 in 4 sec"? Not 4 Crystal Fragments in 3 seconds, but the other way around: 3 Crystal Fragments in 4 seconds. And this is definitely possible.

Knack666 wrote: »

And it does not proc on itself.

Thats why I wrote:

Morticielle wrote: »

So the first and the third cast can be procs and the second ist casted normally with another instant cast your choice in between.

And from that instant cast can come a proc!

So every word I wrote is right. And now I'm awaiting your apology.

So first an instant, then two casts = 5 sec

I've never had a proc on an instant, but also can not deny it is possible.

It's possible.
And 5s is actually a pretty long time in a gank situation.

That being said, it is no different than a NB sniping out of stealth (I've been hit for ~1400 before and the stun is not breakable unlike shards alone).

Morticielle

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

That being said, it is no different than a NB sniping out of stealth (I've been hit for ~1400 before and the stun is not breakable unlike shards alone).

I guess many of the complaining people here play NBs and don't like to be "offed" in the same way they kill other players, meaning attacking out of stealth, stunning the enemy, bursting him down and vanishing into thin air. But there are two differences with give NBs playing this way an advantage over Sorcs playing this way:
1. They can vanish into thin air, the Sorc has to blink out leaving a huge neon sign in the landscape that says "here, i'm gone this way".
2. The Stun of Crystal Fragments can be broken while the stun of NB attacks in the majority of fights can not be broken atm.

There are several threads about this "stunning problem" going on for over 4 weeks. NB stuns are broken and NBs have an advantage because of that. Why don't they cry about that? Oh of course, it's working for them, so they don't mention it.

apostate9

Black-Bird wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Sorc shards hit me for over 1k, nerf!
NB stealth skills hit me for over 1k, nerf!
DK reflected my shards for over 1k, nerf!
Temblar blazing shield hit me for over 1k, nerf!

Am I doing it right?

Just sounding like a jack ass really.

No, he had it right. You sound like a jackass.

Because I wasn't condescending or rude to a player who clearly has less of an understanding of the game than most of this forum?

Your logic is flawless.

Yes, it is.

BrassRazoo

In my experience I'd like to just say "Why do Sorcerers die so easily?"

apostate9

BrassRazoo wrote: »

In my experience I'd like to just say "Why do Sorcerers die so easily?"

They don't. In your experience, one Sorc in particular dies easy. Yours. In all of these tear-soaked QQ threads, there is one common truth you guys don't want to face: Occam's Razor. In other words, when you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not unicorns. The biggest problem with all these "under-powered" characters is 80% likely to be found between the chair and keyboard. Balance is the LAST not the FIRST place you should be looking for why you get facerolled all the time. I don't know why the current generation of gamers has such a hard time getting their heads around it. But here goes: You might suck at this game. It's ok, though. Face it, and get better. I suck quite a bit, but I continue to improve every day.

BrassRazoo

apostate9 wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

In my experience I'd like to just say "Why do Sorcerers die so easily?"

They don't. In your experience, one Sorc in particular dies easy. Yours. In all of these tear-soaked QQ threads, there is one common truth you guys don't want to face: Occam's Razor. In other words, when you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not unicorns. The biggest problem with all these "under-powered" characters is 80% likely to be found between the chair and keyboard. Balance is the LAST not the FIRST place you should be looking for why you get facerolled all the time. I don't know why the current generation of gamers has such a hard time getting their heads around it. But here goes: You might suck at this game. It's ok, though. Face it, and get better. I suck quite a bit, but I continue to improve every day.


I don't know what the hell you are on about.
Did you pop some of Grannies pills again?

Prospero_ESO

Morticielle wrote: »

Yes, you will get the dumb ones with that. But you can be shure that Reflective Scales will get a nerf in the future. A cooldown of 10 sec would be realistic or they will cost 50% more magicka if you use them inside 5 sec of the last use.

Maybe they will change what the scales are reflecting but a cooldown ? Why should they do this. To make those crystal fragments spammers even more easymode as they are ? As a sorc you are a high damage class with high mobility on the battlefield. Scales are in that context just a counter for a ridiculous ability with another one. So if they start balancing they should overall tone down things that are over the top, every class / skill line at the moment have their fair share of such abilities.

Zabus

All I gotta say is that overload is hax, my GM hits for 1.3k with each light attack and people have the nerve to say sorcs aren't OP.

Halrloprillalar

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

All I gotta say is that overload is hax, my GM hits for 1.3k with each light attack and people have the nerve to say sorcs aren't OP.

what??? each hit??? screenshot please, this sounds made up. The highest I've seen mine crit was ~600 and that was on some poor non VR nublet.

Halrloprillalar

BrassRazoo wrote: »

In my experience I'd like to just say "Why do Sorcerers die so easily?"

QFT

AZRainman

Black-Bird wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Sorc shards hit me for over 1k, nerf!
NB stealth skills hit me for over 1k, nerf!
DK reflected my shards for over 1k, nerf!
Temblar blazing shield hit me for over 1k, nerf!

Am I doing it right?

Just sounding like a jack ass really.

Actually sounds like the typical sado/masochistic thread crying for nerf beat downs, but with a satirical spin.

KBKB

apostate9 wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Sorc shards hit me for over 1k, nerf!
NB stealth skills hit me for over 1k, nerf!
DK reflected my shards for over 1k, nerf!
Temblar blazing shield hit me for over 1k, nerf!

Am I doing it right?

Just sounding like a jack ass really.

No, he had it right. You sound like a jackass.

Because I wasn't condescending or rude to a player who clearly has less of an understanding of the game than most of this forum?

Your logic is flawless.

Yes, it is.

Nice to know we agree on something.