WTS something whisper with offer

Zahne

The constant zone chat spamming of people selling stuff with no price and just 'whisper me with offer' has reached the point where I now whisper them with '1 gold'

Blackwidow

Anyone who does the "whisper me with offer" thing is trying to rip newbs off.

If you offer 1 gold and they get upset, that is on them.

If they are serious about selling the item for a fair price, they will respond with a counter offer.

AreoHotah

But why whisper them 1 gold and not your true offer??????????
And why make this thread?????????

Blackwidow

AreoHotah wrote: »

But why whisper them 1 gold and not your true offer??????????

When in a bidding war, you always low ball the first offer.

nudel

I simply whisper them 'how much?' Generally, I get a price quote or at least rough ballpark. If they instead respond with 'offer' after I asked them for a price, I just ignore them. People who want you to state the first 'price' as a buyer fall into two camps.

A) They don't know the market and have no idea of the worth of said item.

They're genuinely hoping to rip you off.

I've found that most people from camp A will actually send me a tell with a rough price after a few minutes of radio silence.

Basically, it's just how I prefer to trade. I feel it is the seller's obligation to make the first move. I do the same thing when I'm selling/ crafting. I always state my price and then they're free to accept it outright or haggle me down.

Ashchild

I always ask how much. If they still ask for an offer, i'll just tell them i'm tired of that game. :P

Catches_the_Sun

This doesn't get me all riled up. I just whisper an offer on the low end of fair and if they don't message back I call it a day. Sellers have different styles. No big deal.

briandivisionb16_ESO

Rubbish!

I say "WTS (item). PM offer" when I'm curious what people will pay for it, as I may not know myself, or rather than setting a price I'd like multiple offers. This thread is idiocy.

Lynx7386

The reason you see this so much is because, without a global game economy, nobody really knows what something is worth now. In one market (guild store) you might get 5k for an item, and in another you might get 2k.

When people say "make an offer", they're trying to get a range of prices from anyone interested in buying the item so they can pick the best one.


Blame it on the fact that the devs stuck us with a segmented market.

wafffllesss

I just hate how, for instance, you ask 500 gold for an item and instead of a counter proposal they send "NOPE" and leave. Do you even barter bro?

SystemiK

The most successful sellers know the market value of their items and include an asking price up front. Anyone else likely has either no idea of the market value, or is working an angle and is hoping that you don't.

I feel that a lot of sellers are losing potential sales by not stating a price up front. As a heavy trader myself, I ignore those offers since I'm not interested in playing a game of "20 questions" just to establish a price. Many people just wont even bother to ask a price, when if a price had been stated they may have placed an order.

Obviously, there are many strategies for selling in zone, and some items will vary in what is the most efficient way for selling them, but giving your buyer all the information he needs in the first post has been by far the most efficient way of selling for me.

Evandus

SystemiK wrote: »

The most successful sellers know the market value of their items and include an asking price up front. Anyone else likely has either no idea of the market value, or is working an angle and is hoping that you don't.

I feel that a lot of sellers are losing potential sales by not stating a price up front. As a heavy trader myself, I ignore those offers since I'm not interested in playing a game of "20 questions" just to establish a price. Many people just wont even bother to ask a price, when if a price had been stated they may have placed an order.

Obviously, there are many strategies for selling in zone, and some items will vary in what is the most efficient way for selling them, but giving your buyer all the information he needs in the first post has been by far the most efficient way of selling for me.

^^That.

I make it a habit to not even bother with people who do otherwise. I'm questing or crafting. I have zero interest in playing haggle. Complete waste of time.

ebondeath

I ignore anybody asking for offers, no matter how badly I want the item. I don't want to haggle or price-wrestle or play the "but other people are offering x" game. I would rather knowingly be ripped off paying an exorbitant price to somebody that was at least honest about what they wanted for it.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I use whisper with offer on motifs only.
Reason? I don't like greedy people selling this crap for 1k and other crazy ammounts.

If I tell you straight price, some greedy guy will buy it and resell it for above riddiculous price.
What I do is listen to offer and sell it to the first guy for half the price he offered. Last sale was for 50g. :-)

But you can ignore me for sure, that is your choice:-)

Gilvoth

nudel wrote: »

I simply whisper them 'how much?' Generally, I get a price quote or at least rough ballpark. If they instead respond with 'offer' after I asked them for a price, I just ignore them. People who want you to state the first 'price' as a buyer fall into two camps.

A) They don't know the market and have no idea of the worth of said item.

They're genuinely hoping to rip you off.

I've found that most people from camp A will actually send me a tell with a rough price after a few minutes of radio silence.

Basically, it's just how I prefer to trade. I feel it is the seller's obligation to make the first move. I do the same thing when I'm selling/ crafting. I always state my price and then they're free to accept it outright or haggle me down.

There is a law here in the state that i live in here in the US that say's that when you go to a car lot every single car on the Lot Must have a price listed on the windshield. if the police see that there is no price listed on the windshield of the car(s) they will give citations and a ticket to the lot owner and if it is repeated then they will arrest the owner and shut down the lot and have the owners license removed.
you state that you believe that it's the sellers responcibility to give the 1st price.
you are correct, the owner of that item is the one and only person who can state what it's worth, and what he wants for it.
if you hear some one say

"make offer"

then that comment should allways be ignored.

Gwarok

#SilentAuction?

k9mouse

I do not list my price in the zone chat, I rather keep it in tells. Also, I do take items (armor / weapon) or certain mats as payment as well. It is hard to do an Ad if there is more one way to pay for an item.

Coggage

Amongst other things I filter out chat that contains wts, wtt and wtb.

Kalman

Everytime I've contacted someone and asked for price it's been one of 2 replies:

1. Send your offer, current high bid is "way higher then item is worth made up price"
2. I'll sell to you for 3x to 4x what normal going rate for item is.

So I just ignore them now.

daneyulebub17_ESO

I don't have a problem with "make me an offer" per se, but practically speaking, you often end up with a rude, unpleasant exchange that comes to nothing. There's a lot of sketchy people out there who, unless you offer a very high price, dismiss you with a "LOL" or worse. Annoying. So, unless I'm desperate, I only respond to clearly priced offers.

Since from this thread I'm obviously not alone, sellers might be wise to avoid limiting their market and put out a price.

I think the best method is something like "80 gold or more, highest offer gets it" kind of thing. That lets me confidently offer a reasonable price, but leaves the door open for others to offer more if they really want it.

Rylana

People do it because of zone heckling.

The value of an item is what someone is willing to pay for it, not some arbitrary number even a majority think it "should" be. This isnt the stock market, its free enterprise.

hk11

I never buy from people that wont state their price in public. I just assume they want to get more than the market price and wont air their prices due to ridicule.

You can't have a silent auction when the auctioneer is the one whom the item belongs.

Rylana

And I wont air my prices in public because they are my prices. They are not up for your review, youre not my father nor the price police. This isnt socialism, jack.

hk11

Rylana wrote: »

And I wont air my prices in public because they are my prices. They are not up for your review, youre not my father nor the price police. This isnt socialism, jack.

Fortunately for you, there are plenty of idiots in the game.

Rylana

I wouldnt call them idiots, I would call them quality customers to be cherished. You know from back in the days when having a good customer/vendor relationship was important.

Almost all of my armor sales go to the same five people. But they make me a fortune.

Ninnghizhidda

Zone chat set to "off". Peace of mind.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

Zone chat set to "off". Peace of mind.

But no access to public trading.

That's why they need a trade channel IMO.

Ninnghizhidda

ESO really needs a proper trading system and a proper economy. Real ones.

You can not possibly replace a non existent or fail system with spamming through a public channel, call it zone, global, trade or what you like. A trade channel would be welcome of course, but is complimentary.

This is how it has been in virtually every MMO since time immemorial, with various degrees of success, however the actual absence of a proper system is not a "novelty" in my eyes, it is an epic fail.

KariTR

I found a reasonably rare set item last night (part of the Draugr's Heritage set), so I now have 2 pieces, one L37 and one VR6. The thing is, I don't farm Dolmens, never have, so if I wanted to sell this item, I wouldn't know what to ask for it. Is it so rare that it is worthless (i.e. you'd be unlikely to get the full set, it is that rare), or is it only rare to me because I don't farm Dolmens?

Stuff that is common enough - motifs, green improvement mats, blue recipes etc - I will literally give away quite happily, but if I have something that Joe Bloggs would happily pay 5k for, why should I lowball myself and ask for 500g through my own ignorance?

I'm not greedy. I am part of a social, RP guild whose store prices are a third of those in the general world and on my trader's store guild. I could buy up all those items and sell them on at double the price, which would still be cheap, but I just wouldn't do that.

So. IF you ever see me asking for a whispered offer, know it is for no other reason than the fact I have no idea what that item is worth to you. If you genuinely place a value on it of 1g, whisper away, but don't label me as someone trying to 'rip off newbs'.

Oh and if you are a kind player, by all means advise me of a reasonable market value, if you happen to know it.

Rylana

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

ESO really needs a proper trading system and a proper economy. Real ones.

You can not possibly replace a non existent or fail system with spamming through a public channel, call it zone, global, trade or what you like. A trade channel would be welcome of course, but is complimentary.

This is how it has been in virtually every MMO since time immemorial, with various degrees of success, however the actual absence of a proper system is not a "novelty" in my eyes, it is an epic fail.

The moment that happens everything will drop to the lowest possible valuation, and anything deemed rare will become so common that there will effectively be no market whatsoever.

I do not support homogenization.

Rodario

I usually offer them 1 [Potato].