Do people actualy buy materials?

Kitsy

Hi.

I have gathered probably 100 stacks of different materials of 100 inside, but it seems i cannot get them sold in trading guilds. The only times ive managed to sell materials is if someone is asking in zone chat.

Is there any points beeing in a traders guild if i want to sell materials? Or should i just sell the materials to the vendor and collect 400 gold without taxes?

Adrastes

people dont actually buy anything. atleast thats how it feels like with these limited guild stores, even if you would be part of 5 trade guilds.
frankly can't sell *** even if i drop prices really low.

if this is the case and we don't get auction houses or global market, then vendors need to pay better for our stuff.

TRIP233

I'm having the same problem. Most of my guilds have over 100 to 200 people in them but only 5 people are on at a time. I'm guessing the same 5 people don't want what I have to sell.

Gwarok

My bank is full with a full stack of pretty much one every crafting mat in the game. My main guild's bank...same. So much has been collected, I can't even give it away unless someone is needing it to top off leveling up their crafting. I am even blowing gold just reposting mats on the 5 MAXED guild stores I have in deposits. All the more reason why we not only don't need the stores but even a global auction house is NOT needed in the game

NO JOKE!!!

kkravaritieb17_ESO

A suggestion use high tier mats to make gear and decostruct it on alts in order to level their crafting proffessions quite fast. This way you can use higher tier hirelings on your alts.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

From my experience some stuff do sell like drooped set pieces but all expensive stuff like legendary mats its easier to sell in chat .
I have the 30 slots occupied in all 5 stores cuz only 1 or 2 guilds have members active . I hate to keep changing guilds and only 2 or 3 things sell per day

Cogo

People are lazy. I sell mats and stuff I get from deconstruct almost daily in one of the tradeguilds I am in.

Not complaining! Lazy people with gold makes me rich :-)

Edit: are you in 5!!!! trade guilds and dont sell mats???
Drop them and join as real trade guild.

The one I am in where buy/selling even happens at like 5 am! They interviewed me, before inviting. And kicking members who isnt active in 5 days (You can send a mail to gm if you are longer).

That log is so spammy you only see the past 30 mins maybe lol.

Trade guilds are like other guilds. Quality! 500 members means nothing if they dont do anything.

Unknown_poster

You get mats from deconstructing items...why would anyone ever need to buy stacks and stacks of materials is beyond me. Since everyone is self sufficient your dreams of conquering the refined materials market are going to be tough to achieve. Only those who have a little droolcup attached to the side of their helmet actually craft to level crafting. Maxed WW, BS, and Cloth to 50 just from deconstructing the useless drops I got while levelling to v12, and have two more in the high 30s that I shuttle things to. My main has alchemy, ww, bs, and cloth max sp'ed out, has all his combat abilities, and still has around 40 sp banked. I keep around 5 stacks of void whatever in the bank, and vendor the rest at 400g a stack cause its not worth to try and sell to people who just whine and moan and want stuff for less than the vendor value.

Shaun98ca2

I think the community should set up its own AH. Starter Islands for your factions to trade and sell.

PLUS the personal interaction can help as you can offer to make future sets for the person as all they have to do is get the mats for you can you can make them a set of armor with high level bonuses you cant get else where.

Those crafter sets is how a crafter really shines.

Kitsy

@Cogo I would love to join such a guild. I am in 4 trading guilds with 500 people inside each and there are always people online. Its just that people dont buy stuff it seems.

Cogo

You on Eu server?

Add me: @kurnn

Cogo

davidgawronrwb17_ESO wrote: »

You get mats from deconstructing items...why would anyone ever need to buy stacks and stacks of materials is beyond me. Since everyone is self sufficient your dreams of conquering the refined materials market are going to be tough to achieve. Only those who have a little droolcup attached to the side of their helmet actually craft to level crafting. Maxed WW, BS, and Cloth to 50 just from deconstructing the useless drops I got while levelling to v12, and have two more in the high 30s that I shuttle things to. My main has alchemy, ww, bs, and cloth max sp'ed out, has all his combat abilities, and still has around 40 sp banked. I keep around 5 stacks of void whatever in the bank, and vendor the rest at 400g a stack cause its not worth to try and sell to people who just whine and moan and want stuff for less than the vendor value.

People are lazy man. Just look at some posts here who demand free respecs, account wide stuff. more harvest nodes......everything to make it easier to get stuff.

At least the AH demanding people understood after millions of posts, its not gonna happen.

I am liking ESO more and more. Bit selfish, but I am a person who automatic do things. I dont sit still and wait for a group. I make one!

I need mats? Dont even think about it because my runs around zones, exploring dying and stuff. I always got my bags full. Dump stuff in GB for guildies and some I sell.

Not saying my way is any good, but starting to think I wasnt THAT stupid by taking it slow, taking my time, not using addons and the fact I have the most Pathetic attention span on the EU megaserver. I start at 1 point, going for a quest, 10 mins later, after thinking I see skyhards everywhere, I am halfway around the map, picked up several chests on the way.

My exp/hour SUCKS. Play daily, 31 days "played". But getting stuff? That goes on auto.

Oh, I have fun too!

Vuron

Some mats sell very well.

Bugloss, Columbine, Mountain Flower, Corn Flower, Lady Smock, Water Hyancinth are in high demand.

UNREFINED clothing mats and ore sell very well.

Rare provisioning ingredients like tomatoes, oats, pepper, etc.

I guess it depends on what you're trying to sell.

Food4Thought

My experience ...

People buy starter level resources only because they don't want to spend a couple of hours farming with little to no pay out. Their time is better spent farming higher level zones where the gold profits are higher and then using that gold to pay a lowbie for the resources they gathered.

Once you get past the initial level, I haven't had much luck at all trying to sell the stacks of resources I have gathered.

The sad reality is I tend to vendor sell my stacks. It is wasteful and I hate waste but at least you get something for it. I am actually in one guild where everyone has access to the guild bank. And there are times are members will drop stacks of resources and consumables in the bank for other members to grab at their leasure.

Frankly, when people are that generous it just goes to show you that there is no economy in this game.

Unknown_poster

Vuron wrote: »

Some mats sell very well.

Bugloss, Columbine, Mountain Flower, Corn Flower, Lady Smock, Water Hyancinth are in high demand.

UNREFINED clothing mats and ore sell very well.

Rare provisioning ingredients like tomatoes, oats, pepper, etc.

I guess it depends on what you're trying to sell.

The ones buying alchemy mats are paying around 10k a stack. 3 stacks of different materials make 4 stacks of vr5 pancea potions. Most charge 10k per stack of potions. So 25 percent profit...not gouging, but not too bad profit for spamming trade.

Unrefined mats sell because you have a chance of getting tempers from refining. Stack costs you 1-1.5k. You get 10 chances at tempers, get one legendary and you've paid for the next two stacks, and rinse/repeat.

Tomatoes and Oats only drop from 2-3 skill point hireling mails. They are used to make purple vr5 food. That's why they sell. Pepper and Red Wheat drop rarely, but if you know the right spots you can usually get 20 or so of them during a single provisioning pass. Just for *** and giggles I buy Imperial flour from the grocer, put it up for 2k for 10. And it sells. People either too lazy or uniformed to know that the third mat you're missing from your recipes usually comes at a gold cost from level dependent zone grocers.

Tarukmockto

I totally agree with Vuron, about the Alchemy and Raw mats. However I think the OP's point was that of the 100 different Alchemy mats (or mats of any kind) there are to gather, only half a dozen will sell. The rest you might as well vendor or not even bother to gather.

Pyatra

Tarukmockto wrote: »

I totally agree with Vuron, about the Alchemy and Raw mats. However I think the OP's point was that of the 100 different Alchemy mats (or mats of any kind) there are to gather, only half a dozen will sell. The rest you might as well vendor or not even bother to gather.

This is spot on with alchemy in my experience, and regular mats for armor/weapons (Jute, Iron, etc) won't sell, usually has to be veteran level regular mats and even then they don't move. The movers are improvement mats, rare motifs, and the mother load if it is purple V5 food.

nudel

I would echo what Cogo said. Get a better trade guild. Refined mats sell in mine. They sell for a lot less than raw naturally, but they do sell. In fact people even ask for them in chat when the ones on the store have sold out.

bob850

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pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO

I've recently sold some 20-odd stacks of various ores, woods, tailor mats and a stack of 100 honing stones and it all sold really quickly, all of it was gone in 2 days. I wasn't too greedy with the prices, 50% mark-up over vendor sale price is fine by me so it really depends on how much money you want to get.

Haewk

bob850 wrote: »

Kitsy wrote: »

Hi.

I have gathered probably 100 stacks of different materials of 100 inside, but it seems i cannot get them sold in trading guilds. The only times ive managed to sell materials is if someone is asking in zone chat.

Is there any points beeing in a traders guild if i want to sell materials? Or should i just sell the materials to the vendor and collect 400 gold without taxes?

If you are having trouble selling your refined materials, I'll buy all your VR refined mats. Send any of the following to me @Bob850. I'm on the NA server.

WTB: Kresh Fiber (Cloth), Calcinium Ingot (Blacksmith), Sanded Birch (Wood)
Price: 600g a stack

I have a lot from decon while leveling and at VR I just craft 1 set that lasts the entire level so it just keeps accumulating. Thinking at this price I may easily top 10K, well even at 400 a stack.

The only demand I can see is for people trying to level trade skills if they didn't bother to decon while leveling.

Ninnghizhidda

I personally vendor everything that I am not going to use or any of my friends could use. I certainly keep good stocks of virtually any crafting materials, but any surplus goes to NPCs.

The fail "trade system" is just fail, and I have far better things to do with my precious time than trying to sell / buy anything. "Trading guilds" are mostly a farce, and enduring the corrosive zone spam is just too much.

Since an "auction house" or something equivalent that would actually create some kind of market is not there, and they do not seem to want it to be there, I would rather receive those 400 gold from an NPC and be done with it in one second.

Soloeus

I don't buy anything regarding mats, I only buy occasional things for Decon when they are cheap. I cannot be bothered to "haggle" with people. I know what I am willing to pay and my way or highway. I don't enjoy haggling.

Commerce in this game is total garbage. At most I am capable of having an audience of up to 499 members at a time per guild, and having to manage multiple guild stores is cumbersome on my time.

If there were an Auction House then I would consider engaging in more commerce. Until then, there is very little of it. I will continue to vendor Provisioning Recipes, Mats and everything else because its better than waiting 30 days to "maybe" sell them.


I will happily buy any and all RAW crafting mats for 600/stack.

Just COD me.

If you want a better price, enjoy spamming all zones. I will be busy, doing something fun.

reagen_lionel

Never bought raw materials or refined materials yet through my playtime since beta.

Just doesnt seem the point. Can pay to get the materials sure, but I can also go out and get them myself easily enough and deconstruct equipment I find while regular questing to get them as well.

theres just not that much point unless people are extremely lazy, not wanting to leave one spot hardly ever.

And I think thats a problem with making people too self sufficient too easily.

LadyDestiny

I think I have only bought materials a couple times in the guild store. I have always looted for crafting or harvested my own nodes. Guess I am a cheapskate I can relate to this, but once in awhile I will sell a stack in the guild store. Usually someone who has the coin to throw away and wants to level an extra hireling alt or something. I never advertise in chat because I hate zone chat as an auction house. If I have too much of something I usually just give it away or put it in the guild bank for someone to use. I really would love to see a regular auction house though. Five guilds just don't seem like enough anymore with people leaving the game and guilds not staying full...... I hate to leave a guild on the pretense that "I am sorry but you guys suck and don't have enough players." Makes me feel bad.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

@‌Kitsy

The issue is twofold.

When I was raising the three crafts on my alt to level 40 so I can have him for tampering (saving 9SP from the main) I looked around for voidstone ingots.

Unfortunately 100 stack was going for 1500g-2000g. I needed ~2000 ingots to push him from 36 to 40. That is 30,000-40,000g.

So to gather 30K for those 2000 ingots will take me more time than go and harvest 2000 voidstone ore.

And in the refining process I got 25 alloys, 40 solvents and a good amount of dwarven oil and honing stones.

If however the ingots where for 200-300g per stack, I could have bought them.


I am a casual player, so money come by with difficulty from questing.

The sellers, who just farm and sell at prices they like, do not understand that the casual player doesn't have hundreds of thousands in his pocket.

At V9 right now, and by having spend money only on stuff I needed (5 respecs, repairs, backpack upgrades, two upgraded imperial horses and 10K for the imperial motif and jewelry) I have 50K gold. (after 3 months playing)

And I have sold around 20 racial motifs over the period at good prices (800g).

Yes I do have two alts full of resources, but they are for my use and not for sale.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Five guilds just don't seem like enough anymore with people leaving the game and guilds not staying full...... I hate to leave a guild on the pretense that "I am sorry but you guys suck and don't have enough players." Makes me feel bad.

The inevitable result of the failure that is the guild-based economy, sadly ZOS seem intent on ignoring this simple fact.

Pyatra

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Five guilds just don't seem like enough anymore with people leaving the game and guilds not staying full...... I hate to leave a guild on the pretense that "I am sorry but you guys suck and don't have enough players." Makes me feel bad.

The inevitable result of the failure that is the guild-based economy, sadly ZOS seem intent on ignoring this simple fact.

• No, the failure is that everyone can craft everything.
• That raw materials can be refined for a chance to drop improvement tempers is the only reason people buy raw materials and it's foolish to sell them.
• The armor you sell is for traits only for other people to research otherwise no one would want it unless you get a custom request.
• If there was a global auction house prices would be so abysmally low except for the dropped sets and improvement mats that no one would make any money and that's before bots. After farmers even those would be worth nothing.
• The reason prices would crash: Most of the people I know have max level in at least 4-5 crafting skills, only enchanters could endure an AH and even then it would only be until there are more high level enchanters.

People want to believe that it's the guild store system, but if most of a guild/world can craft whatever they want and are max level in it, they don't need anything. That's why most games only let you pick a few.

reagen_lionel

Pyatra wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Five guilds just don't seem like enough anymore with people leaving the game and guilds not staying full...... I hate to leave a guild on the pretense that "I am sorry but you guys suck and don't have enough players." Makes me feel bad.

The inevitable result of the failure that is the guild-based economy, sadly ZOS seem intent on ignoring this simple fact.

• No, the failure is that everyone can craft everything.
• That raw materials can be refined for a chance to drop improvement tempers is the only reason people buy raw materials and it's foolish to sell them.
• The armor you sell is for traits only for other people to research otherwise no one would want it unless you get a custom request.
• If there was a global auction house prices would be so abysmally low except for the dropped sets and improvement mats that no one would make any money and that's before bots. After farmers even those would be worth nothing.
• The reason prices would crash: Most of the people I know have max level in at least 4-5 crafting skills, only enchanters could endure an AH and even then it would only be until there are more high level enchanters.

People want to believe that it's the guild store system, but if most of a guild/world can craft whatever they want and are max level in it, they don't need anything. That's why most games only let you pick a few.

And this is all true.

Pele

Most of the people in trading guilds are sellers not buyers per se. They will buy low from guilds and resell at higher price in zone chat.

Haewk

Pyatra wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Five guilds just don't seem like enough anymore with people leaving the game and guilds not staying full...... I hate to leave a guild on the pretense that "I am sorry but you guys suck and don't have enough players." Makes me feel bad.

The inevitable result of the failure that is the guild-based economy, sadly ZOS seem intent on ignoring this simple fact.

• No, the failure is that everyone can craft everything.
• That raw materials can be refined for a chance to drop improvement tempers is the only reason people buy raw materials and it's foolish to sell them.
• The armor you sell is for traits only for other people to research otherwise no one would want it unless you get a custom request.
• If there was a global auction house prices would be so abysmally low except for the dropped sets and improvement mats that no one would make any money and that's before bots. After farmers even those would be worth nothing.
• The reason prices would crash: Most of the people I know have max level in at least 4-5 crafting skills, only enchanters could endure an AH and even then it would only be until there are more high level enchanters.

People want to believe that it's the guild store system, but if most of a guild/world can craft whatever they want and are max level in it, they don't need anything. That's why most games only let you pick a few.

Personally I don't like the fake economy mini-game so many players seem obsessed with. I like being able to craft my own stuff, I like being able to level crafting skills relatively painlessly.

I like the PvE challenge and is mostly why I play MMOs in the first place. The fact that I don't have to rely on other players for any of my gear or consumables is great.

Now if they can just reduce the current bank/inventory management mini-game it would be great.