This is what ENDGAME should be !

Phantax

Ok.. so I already know I'm gonna get flamed for using this particular game as an example, BUT... just imagine all the things talked about in this vid BUT WITH ESO THEMED GRAPHICS AND DETAILS !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iphgBVtf2HA

Now that's 'Endgame' ! ! ! (that's what Craglorn should have been)

(yes I know the graphics are rubbish, but its the mechanics not the aesthetics I'm pointing out here)

kieso

I tried playing that game last week; everything about it screams quality but for some reason I just didn't like it and couldn't find myself playing it for more than an hour at a time; maybe because I didn't feel engaged and read no quests; just ran from point A to B.

htoncic

A game with ESO graphics and Wildstar endgame? I'll take a lifetime sub, please.

Phantax

kieso wrote: »

I tried playing that game last week; everything about it screams quality but for some reason I just didn't like it and couldn't find myself playing it for more than an hour at a time; maybe because I didn't feel engaged and read no quests; just ran from point A to B.

Yeah I've heard a few people say its not engaging. Least ESO has it beat there on story and Lore, just wish the Zenimax Devs had that kind of imagination for ESO endgame

Apophiss

Would be really impressive.

Ragekniv

Hopefully Zenimax can take a hint, the lack of progressive end game design is already on most players minds.

OrangeTheCat

Some of my most memorable games I've played are the ones where you can create your own game map to play on (like the single player Warcraft). If ESO had something like that but more restricted (e.g., you can use the ESO provided tools to modify a map that ESO came up with vs. actually uploading a player made map)... would be AWESOME.

Sakiri

What is it. Cant play videos on my phone.

And I still prefer wow's endgame.

Phantax

Sakiri wrote: »

What is it. Cant play videos on my phone.

And I still prefer wow's endgame.

If you played GW2 think of the mini/openworld group adventures that randomly happened around the zones. Add about half a dozen different paths to each event, random NPC AND then make that cover something the size of Craglorn. Then add random endings with dynamic results !

Soloeus

ESO isn't going to sear a steak on the grill and finish in the oven. They don't want a standard. They want to be unique, and get you a medium rare steak cooked with a blowtorch.

If you don't like blowtorched steak, they will say "Then leave." And they won't get their post removed for it.

ZOS_AlexD

Hey everyone. Just a friendly reminder to keep the discussion focused on ESO. We appreciate all the feedback that you all provide, but please stay on topic. Thanks!

SilverWF

htoncic wrote: »

A game with ESO graphics and Wildstar endgame? I'll take a lifetime sub, please.

You are even not played it enough but already want to buy lifetime?..

To OP.
We already have it in the GW2. Most of this event are kinda desertly after few days of their release...

Sanibel

The video represents nothing about endgame... I'm very confused here. Can't listen to sound atm, but I'm assuming someone is talking about end game? Either way this is a really poor example of endgame.

If you actually show some real footage of endgame material from that WoW rip-off, everyone would see how boring it really is instead of slapping cut scenes and non-endgame footage together.

khele23eb17_ESO

Phantax wrote: »

Ok.. so I already know I'm gonna get flamed for using this particular game as an example, BUT... just imagine all the things talked about in this vid BUT WITH ESO THEMED GRAPHICS AND DETAILS !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iphgBVtf2HA

Now that's 'Endgame' ! ! ! (that's what Craglorn should have been)

(yes I know the graphics are shite, but its the mechanics not the aesthetics I'm pointing out here)

Well, I agree WS is miles ahead of ESO when it comes to endgame content that has longevity... But the video is an advertising piece and adventures are just 5 man instances like you know from other MMOs. Yes, each one has several possible combinations of bosses but in the end it is just a 'dungeon' like any other.

Soloeus wrote: »

ESO isn't going to sear a steak on the grill and finish in the oven. They don't want a standard. They want to be unique, and get you a medium rare steak cooked with a blowtorch.

More like horse meat burned with a zippo lighter

Phantax

SilverWF wrote: »

htoncic wrote: »

A game with ESO graphics and Wildstar endgame? I'll take a lifetime sub, please.

You are even not played it enough but already want to buy lifetime?..

To OP.
We already have it in the GW2. Most of this event are kinda desertly after few days of their release...

I play GW2 (or did till ESO released) GW2 doesn't have anything on that scale and the GW2 dynamic events have NO impact at all 30 seconds after the event finishes.

Something like this in ESO would (could) be awesome. Simply running through a zone not knowing which ESO NPCs you would face would be great on its own.
(Anchors and most of Craglorn are boring, predictable and repetitive. Who, what, where are the same over and over and...)
Add to that different routes meaning different challenges, hell yes plz.
All that with ESO graphics and Lore, not to mention the new kickass lighting enhancements !
I'd certainly buy a few months worth of that !

Kewljag_66_ESO

I play ESO because i want a PVP seige warfare endgame. i dont see that in WS's cartoon world

magickats242cub18_ESO

I think that random portals opening into Oblivion would be cool. You can probably implement some kind of a "choose your own adventure" mechanic, as long as the story is lore friendly, and the consequences of your actions carry over to Tamriel. You wouldn't even have to be in a group to participate, make the portals like public dungeons, and hope people would cooperate in order to reach the objective.

dafraorb16_ESO

The end-game is AvA, stop with this carebear contect like veteran levels and fighting versus AI

Phantax

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

I play ESO because i want a PVP seige warfare endgame. i dont see that in WS's cartoon world

Firstly its already been pointed out the graphics are not the issue here. And we already have the PvP you described (zenimax just need to refine/improve it)

theyancey

I would unsub immediately if I had to play that mess. If I had wanted WS I would have bought it. If WS is what you want then leave here and go after that.

khele23eb17_ESO

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

The end-game is AvA, stop with this carebear contect like veteran levels and fighting versus AI

Yes, and thats why all the campaigns are full of players enjoying this awesome content...

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

I play ESO because i want a PVP seige warfare endgame. i dont see that in WS's cartoon world

I believe WS has GvG where guilds invade fortresses designed and built by eachother. Im sure it qualifies.

Tarrin

I imagine that all content in ESO must have same difficulty as in WildStar.

We have dynamic battle system and monsters telegraphs, but they aren`t powerfull. Monsters power attacks (only this) have to 75% hp damage even on preveteran content. It`s a reason for learning play the game without using only AOE

khele23eb17_ESO

tarindiseb17_ESO wrote: »

I imagine that all content in ESO has same difficult as in WildStar.

Im quite sure WS raids are MUCH harder than ESO trials.

magickats242cub18_ESO

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

tarindiseb17_ESO wrote: »

I imagine that all content in ESO has same difficult as in WildStar.

Im quite sure WS raids are MUCH harder than ESO trials.

Yes, because 40 people raids are definitely more challenging than 8 people trials.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

The end-game is AvA, stop with this carebear contect like veteran levels and fighting versus AI

AMEN.

However more carebears around, who will QQ that their toon is too weak in VR content, and going to screw Cyrodiil balance even more.

Phantax

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

tarindiseb17_ESO wrote: »

I imagine that all content in ESO has same difficult as in WildStar.

Im quite sure WS raids are MUCH harder than ESO trials.

Bet its easier to get an invite into a WS raid then get an invite to a ESO trial...lol

Tarrin

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Im quite sure WS raids are MUCH harder than ESO trials.

Oh sry . I mean "all content in ESO must have same difficulty as in WS"

Phantax

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

The end-game is AvA, stop with this carebear contect like veteran levels and fighting versus AI

AMEN.

However more carebears around, who will QQ that their toon is too weak in VR content, and going to screw Cyrodiil balance even more.

Then the sensible thing to do would be for Zenimax to get the class balance right, not mess with it after that AND tweek the mob balance around the players (not players around the mobs)
It would also stop whining PvPers who think PvP is the holy grail of endgame from making opinionated comments !

The_Sadist

I played GW2, did enough Fractals of the Mists to drive anyone insane. I'm not yet endgame (the joys of rolling 4 classes and taking 2 months to pick a main I suppose) and by the time I do hit endgame there will, presumably, be loads of content.
I don't want to see Fractals in ESO, or Adventure zones. I want to see Daedric invasions, battling Daedric Princes, exploring the Daedric Realms, overcoming powerful enemies holding unique artifacts and simply enjoying my endgame experience. There's so much room for growth in ESO, so much lore to explore.. why limit yourself and your ideas?

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Ragekniv wrote: »

Hopefully Zenimax can take a hint, the lack of progressive end game design is already on most players minds.

Actually lack of being able to do VR levels is.

Phantax

The_Sadist wrote: »

I played GW2, did enough Fractals of the Mists to drive anyone insane. I'm not yet endgame (the joys of rolling 4 classes and taking 2 months to pick a main I suppose) and by the time I do hit endgame there will, presumably, be loads of content.
I don't want to see Fractals in ESO, or Adventure zones. I want to see Daedric invasions, battling Daedric Princes, exploring the Daedric Realms, overcoming powerful enemies holding unique artifacts and simply enjoying my endgame experience. There's so much room for growth in ESO, so much lore to explore.. why limit yourself and your ideas?

I'd love all that too. But lets face it, all we are getting so far (and for the announced future) is more Craglorn based group stuff, and more of the same and....

Every content patch should (must) have something for group, solo and PvP players. Add to that some fluff, tweeks etc and ESO would soon become the #1 MMO !