VR4 and dying in 2 seconds....

jelliedsoup

Ok, I'm an NB, DW/Bow Build.

Each time I die, which is a lot, consists of the following, getting hit once or twice. then dying in 2 seconds. Looking at my the review which shows my death and some of things which may just be one person, and the last 5 hits.

I'm in NZ, so it appears the latency is a big factor. My latency is around 200-300, which apparently means 100ms equates to a second. The lag is just stupid. If I get stunned I will die before I can do anything (block, shadow cloak) when I attack people they will get stunned and then just dodge my blows when stunned. WTFF?

How can you even play this game when the latency is that bad?

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Ok, I'm an NB, DW/Bow Build.

OK stop right there, that's your problem. Reroll any other class till they fix stamina and other NB abilities. Otherwise you are in for a very long, tedious and frustrating leveling experience.

Alternatively you can retrain to cloth/resto staff and breeze through or go find a grind (booooring) group in Crag.

GL!

Aeradon

Are you talking about PVP or PVE?

Latency wise, I play from Oceanic region as well. Not much issue with latency. I'm guessing they reroute using Singapore as a server point, but it's just personal assumption.

Synfaer

I'm in NZ, so it appears the latency is a big factor. My latency is around 200-300

Unfortunately that's par for the course for Aussies/NZ connecting to the US servers. Using a tunneling client may improve it a bit but your latency is never going to be as good as US players.

mndfreeze

This is just a case of "it sucks to not be an american". sorry.

Pele

200ms-300ms isn't that bad. Also, it's milliseconds not seconds. Your latency is 0.2-0.3 seconds. It is not the best, but it definitely is not the worst, and it is not enough to cause lag death.

It's your build. I use NB abilities and magicka abilites from Vampire and Mages Guild to avoid death in vet zones. Rarely do I use stamina based weapon skills.

Edited because the forums broke my mobile post.

pong

it's your internet provider, i live in asia but it's not a problem. I have 3gb/s and not latency issues for me, unless im downloading something

kijima

Oceanic VR10 here, I'm not having latency quiteas high as you, but it's not fantastic either at 120 and sometimes lower.

I'm also an NB DW with bow, when I was VR4 I wasn't dying as easier as you describe, but then I do rely on dodge, roll, sneak and stealth heavily.

Hilgara

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Ok, I'm an NB, DW/Bow Build.

OK stop right there, that's your problem. Reroll any other class till they fix stamina and other NB abilities. Otherwise you are in for a very long, tedious and frustrating leveling experience.

Alternatively you can retrain to cloth/resto staff and breeze through or go find a grind (booooring) group in Crag.

GL!

That wont help 300 ms lag

Loco_Mofo

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Ok, I'm an NB, DW/Bow Build.

Level up the resto staff or destro staff and throw on some light armor. Best advice anyone can give you for doing VR content as a NB.

Try a tunneling service (I was using BattlePing), that gave me 150ms playing from Australia which is as good as it gets pretty much.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

If you die that fast in PvP it is combination of lag and getting smashed by vet12.
You won't stand a chance at VR4 against top equipped players.

Try to use bow or just cc targets while in group. It works good. Do not join front lines or attack player with vr8 or higher it is a suicide.

Phinix1

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Each time I die, which is a lot, consists of the following, getting hit once or twice.

Block? Roll dodge?

Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am VR6 wearing all LIGHT armor and there is no way you are dying in 2 hits unless you are getting hit by the incredibly obvious windup abilities or ground-telegraphed AOE.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Each time I die, which is a lot, consists of the following, getting hit once or twice.

Block? Roll dodge?

Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am VR6 wearing all LIGHT armor and there is no way you are dying in 2 hits unless you are getting hit by the incredibly obvious windup abilities or ground-telegraphed AOE.

This where the lag comes in. He may be using block, but due to lag he blocks too late and gets full dmg. Happens to me a lot in large pvp in cyrodiil. In small pvp everything works fine and I live a lot lot longer.

wrlifeboil

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Each time I die, which is a lot, consists of the following, getting hit once or twice.

Block? Roll dodge?

Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am VR6 wearing all LIGHT armor and there is no way you are dying in 2 hits unless you are getting hit by the incredibly obvious windup abilities or ground-telegraphed AOE.

I have a V12 nb and I can die in two seconds if I run into a pack of mobs and don't mitigate damage or stun or cc.

Depends on the gear too. Lot of VR players don't upgrade their gear.

_Eivar_

It'd be nice if they fixed the class more. My NB hits for a ton of damage but can't handle a third assault if the first two were staff slingers. Really sad. Hello, mitigation? Yeah...got nothin'.

And any lag means block and interrupt don't work, so even if you could conceivably build a better NB, block or interrupt at the right moments is iffy at best. Trying to fight Cassia Varo while my IP hiccuped waiting for the server to return a sequence of blocks was amusing. Not fun, but amusing. It's a dance that, for any NB not on the continent, can equate to more death than necessary.

Until they fix the class, all I can say is...Vampire's Kiss set, The Lord mundus buff, Siphoning, and health pots. Buy multiple.

Hilgara

_Eivar_ wrote: »

It'd be nice if they fixed the class more. My NB hits for a ton of damage but can't handle a third assault if the first two were staff slingers. Really sad. Hello, mitigation? Yeah...got nothin'.
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You have the best mitigation in the game bar none

rammstein2001pub18_ESO

in one of my guilds i see people with 700-1100 ms.. and those same people will 2 second kill you in pvp ..

AreoHotah

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OK stop right there, that's your problem. Reroll any other class till they fix stamina and other NB abilities. Otherwise you are in for a very long, tedious and frustrating leveling experience.<br />
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Alternatively you can retrain to cloth/resto staff and breeze through or go find a grind (booooring) group in Crag.<br />
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The hell you talking bout?? im vr8 in vr6 full medium gear and dual daggers in vr7 zone and im face rolling packs of 3-4 and quest bosses.

Madval

I haven't this problem,
but,
I'm a DRAGON KNIGHT lalala
I'm the King of the game lala,
I jump, I kill, I crush and I puuuurge lalala !
Everywhere I gooo, everyone flee like girly men tadada !
Everything on sight is just a thing to killlll tada !
I'm just the game lala, a mega serial killer tadada !
Men, women, dogs, cats, all creation are just there to destroyyyyy !!
(solo)
You are all insects don't cross my path or you diiiieeee !
My name is King of the kings !
I'm just a damn DRAGON KNIGHT !

Cheers.

_Eivar_

I don't agree, but this goes back to play style. I hate playing rogue-types but I enjoyed it at first with NB, until I started convulsing at the thought of facing more than a two-man mob of casters with a bow.

The skill trees for class and the Bow tree have no bow blocks (which would really be a nifty thing inside all the cramped dungeons), we don't have a reliable interrupt with reasonable pool cost, our snares are funny in that they don't snare the way NPC snares do (I can slow something pretty well, but I can't arrest its casting), medium armor 5-set mandatory for armor-based mitigation is laughable for how little there is, and DW spell costs out of the magicka pool don't scale with ROI.

I welcome advice on a better build, but it doesn't change the fact that NB needs an overhaul. When I'm "struggling" to get through a three-man mob with a bow in a small corner of a bend in a dungeon, and some heavy armor sorc with a staff blows past spewing so much fire it singes my eyelashes in real life, it's disheartening.

wrlifeboil

_Eivar_ wrote: »

I don't agree, but this goes back to play style. I hate playing rogue-types but I enjoyed it at first with NB, until I started convulsing at the thought of facing more than a two-man mob of casters with a bow.

The skill trees for class and the Bow tree have no bow blocks (which would really be a nifty thing inside all the cramped dungeons), we don't have a reliable interrupt with reasonable pool cost, our snares are funny in that they don't snare the way NPC snares do (I can slow something pretty well, but I can't arrest its casting), medium armor 5-set mandatory for armor-based mitigation is laughable for how little there is, and DW spell costs out of the magicka pool don't scale with ROI.

I welcome advice on a better build, but it doesn't change the fact that NB needs an overhaul. When I'm "struggling" to get through a three-man mob with a bow in a small corner of a bend in a dungeon, and some heavy armor sorc with a staff blows past spewing so much fire it singes my eyelashes in real life, it's disheartening.

If its spewing so much fire that your eyebrows singe, it's more likely a dk in cloth.

_Eivar_

That makes it all the more humiliating. Cloth. Cloth!!!

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

NB is huge fun to play for me. I did not know about any broken skill and enjoy pre vet zones and cyrodiil daily quests. I am using DW and full medium.

iaintoff

mndfreeze wrote: »

This is just a case of "it sucks to not be an american". sorry.

actually it doesnt, their one of the only countries in the world that have been shovelling that GMO *** down their throats for almost a decade rofl, i wouldn't give a bucket of *** for where tha country is heading.

j_hobergb16_ESO

DW/Bow Stamina Nightblade here.

VR6.

I never repair my gear or upgrade in any other way than drops. Sometimes I use white stuff because I have nothing else.

A three pack is not easy but it is usually manageable.

Sneak --> Elude --> Surprise Attack + 1 light attack --> Blood Craze --> Move backwards to avoid mob 2 & 3 + Flying Dagger to mob 1 --> One dead two to go.

Dark Cloak --> Surprise Attack + 2-3 light attacks --> Blood Craze on mob 2 & 3 --> Moving backwards + 2 Flying Dagger to mob 2 --> Two dead one to go

Incapacitating Strike --> Blood Craze --> Spam Flying daggers and move backwards until mob 3 is also dead.

I always attack healers first, range second, and melee last.

I have had very little problem so far with VR content.

ciedre

_Eivar_ wrote: »

I don't agree, but this goes back to play style. I hate playing rogue-types but I enjoyed it at first with NB, until I started convulsing at the thought of facing more than a two-man mob of casters with a bow.

The skill trees for class and the Bow tree have no bow blocks (which would really be a nifty thing inside all the cramped dungeons), we don't have a reliable interrupt with reasonable pool cost, our snares are funny in that they don't snare the way NPC snares do (I can slow something pretty well, but I can't arrest its casting), medium armor 5-set mandatory for armor-based mitigation is laughable for how little there is, and DW spell costs out of the magicka pool don't scale with ROI.

I welcome advice on a better build, but it doesn't change the fact that NB needs an overhaul. When I'm "struggling" to get through a three-man mob with a bow in a small corner of a bend in a dungeon, and some heavy armor sorc with a staff blows past spewing so much fire it singes my eyelashes in real life, it's disheartening.

Stop saying NB is the problem.
You're using a bow and dual wield, those two weapon skill trees are the problem along with what ever build you are using

I've personally witnessed VR NB tanks take on packs of 10+ mobs without a problem and VR AOE NB's do the same.

I'm also from NZ, have a similar latency and also play NB, without any issues.

timothywnugent_ESO

I have to agree.

While NBs are not quite a powerful as sorcs or dks, the class skills are not entirely the problem. The biggest problem with a NB is the medium armor/bow/dual wield/stamina builds. Medium armor is all about stamina and physical crits and stuff. However, if you try to auto attack a mob while 2 others are attacking you, you are dead no matter what armor or protection you have.

This is how I attack a group of 4 mobs, and here is my skill bar:

1. Vampire Drain 2. Invisibility 3. Surprise Attack 4. Killer's Blade(execute) 5. Leeching Strikes

I start of sneaking. If I think I may be seen, I cast invisibility(it does not bring you into combat when you come out of it and you can recast it while invisible so you never go into combat) I come up behind or to the side of a mob and use Surprise Attack and execute.

The first mob is dead before any of the other three have a chance to attack me. I immediately cast invisibility, and then move on to a caster. I turn on leeching strikes so I get mana and health back when I auto attack. I use surprise attack and then auto attack 2 or 3 times. I then use invisibility again. If I am low on health, I will use vampire drain to get back to full health again and then immediately go invis (must keep my armor and magic resist full from the passive) I keep up my invis/surprise attack/aa until the mob gets down to 25% and then I execute. Once it is 2 mobs left, it gets much easier. Just invis/surprise attack/auto attack the 3rd mob down and then solo the last.

Remember, when you see a mob about to power attack you, or about to cast a spell on you, it is much easier to just go invis than it is to try to dodge/block/or bash(unless the spell caster is right next to you).

I have overcharged magicka and stamina recovery, and during the fight I have overcharged armor and magic resist at all times from the Shadow Barrier passive.

All of my jewelry is also Warlock gear for even more mana back. I am 5 medium and 2 light (hands and belt)

phairdon

Plays from NZ too without the death issues you are experiencing. In saying this I am not a nightblade.

Mountain_Dewed

I have great response times but still die from lag every once in a while. It's just something I deal with by stock piling a bunch of monitors in my closet for when I break one from this debauchery...

I do know what ^^^ means, I just felt like using the word

ninjajucerb14_ESO

Could be that your a vampire/WW and people are using silver shards to kill you.

Fleymark

Bow and DW isn't the problem either. Well, DW might be but there are people putting up insane numbers with DW burst and sustained dps with healing support mixed in. I'm an archer so haven't really focused on DW that much myself. Mostly use it for softening up a tough pack before I finish with bow.

When people say a lot of like what people are saying above I wonder if we are playing the same game. While it could change, as of VR4 my bow/DW med stamina nightblade has yet to have any problems with anything other than somepparticular quest bosses, storms and gargoyles so far. In the case of gargoyles I suspect that's because I'm notorious for not blocking..I'm so used to my normal range tactics, I guess.

No offense to anyone but I think it's largely a L2P issue. And I need to L2 Block. But I routinely handle vet 3 packs, including casters, with just bow. It gets dicey with some pack makeups and I do die miscalculating tactics at times but if you synergize right with your whole skill set (including opening with stealth or ambush attacks) most are entirely doable.

To the OP, hope you get your latency issues worked out. That has to suck.