Suggestion: Drop the test servers and hire some actual testers.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Its obvious that the players who use the PTS are not actually testing. Its also obvious that you dont do any quality internal testing. So stop wasting money on the PTS and hire some professionals.

subecsanur

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Its obvious that the players who use the PTS are not actually testing. Its also obvious that you dont do any quality internal testing. So stop wasting money on the PTS and hire some professionals.

Lol love your sig, so true!!!!

bandage106rwb17_ESO

Trust me I've constantly been testing the PTS, issues and concerns were raised about certain issues but how they choose to resolve these issues is completely different to what the players actually had in mind, I don't think it's the players fault just Zenimax choose to not listen to us when it comes to important issues like game balance and underlying game mechanics.

Go through the PTS forums and you'll realize how little they actually considered, great they wanna do some class balance make stamina builds more relevant however when it comes to actually executing on it they fall far from what we actually had in mind.

I say yes hire some testers if that means that they'll actually listen to what they say then I think that'd be really good for this game, because it's really disheartening to read through the patch notes and only see 1 or 2 player suggestions actually get implemented yet there is dozens and dozens of requests with hundreds of pages of replies on multiple threads.

RazielSR

I agree with Ragnar. I fear nobody is testing and that's why many bugs from beta still there and when one is fixed, another one appear.

stumpy999

I appreciate the frustration, but sometimes the way that you express it can prevent you from effectively being "heard".

OK you are definitely up on the " Yooz suck donkey ***" brigade but a generally negative post without any specific data is going to be categorized into the same bucket as some of my daft ass posts on gameplay. That is "the bin"

Something generated that frustration, pick out a single bit and post on that etc.

I'd love to know the game was bad but I've been patching all day .......

RazielSR

stumpy999 wrote: »

I appreciate the frustration, but sometimes the way that you express it can prevent you from effectively being "heard".

OK you are definitely up on the " Yooz suck donkey ***" brigade but a generally negative post without any specific data is going to be categorized into the same bucket as some of my daft ass posts on gameplay. That is "the bin"

Something generated that frustration, pick out a single bit and post on that etc.

I'd love to know the game was bad but I've been patching all day .......

Do you really need more data? Are you aware of the bugs and problems existing since beta? Are you aware that the game continue in beta? The class balance and the horrible veteran ranks are not enought for you?

stumpy999

I get that you see a pile of frustration

but when you get asked - "what's wrong" the answer - "everything" is not really helpful to a debug team so they will just ignore it.
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Ok, if you just want to vent etc. Shows that you care.....

RazielSR

stumpy999 wrote: »

I get that you see a pile of frustration

but when you get asked - "what's wrong" the answer - "everything" is not really helpful to a debug team so they will just ignore it.
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Ok, if you just want to vent etc. Shows that you care.....

But the answers are appearing here in the forum almost since day 1. Many people repeating the same, and now do you want that we explain again, after thousand of times...whats going wrong? I know what you mean, but understand that we cant be always repeating the same, and more if you see some people in this forum calling you with names if you explain something that is clearly going wrong. They will say its everyghing fine, unsubscribe, you are mad, whinner, child, etc, etc

vyndral13preub18_ESO

bandage106rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Trust me I've constantly been testing the PTS, issues and concerns were raised about certain issues but how they choose to resolve these issues is completely different to what the players actually had in mind, I don't think it's the players fault just Zenimax choose to not listen to us when it comes to important issues like game balance and underlying game mechanics.

Go through the PTS forums and you'll realize how little they actually considered, great they wanna do some class balance make stamina builds more relevant however when it comes to actually executing on it they fall far from what we actually had in mind.

I say yes hire some testers if that means that they'll actually listen to what they say then I think that'd be really good for this game, because it's really disheartening to read through the patch notes and only see 1 or 2 player suggestions actually get implemented yet there is dozens and dozens of requests with hundreds of pages of replies on multiple threads.

In the last couple years ive spent time on pts realms of a couple different games, and this has almost always been the feeling of the pts testers. I think over time i have come to accept that the pts realm is not there to fix everything before it goes live. But to identify problems that might be an issue or to work towards a change in the future. Overall i have quit using pts because they annoy me now.

RazielSR

Amazing answers by bandage and vyndral. Thank you for the information.

It just shows what ZOS is doing whit this game. The official forum is reedit and the official *** are not being heard.

Amazing. Truly amazing.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO

I haven't tracked issues well enough to comment on how quickly things get addressed. But I would suggest that the PTS builds and the bug requests addressed are out of phase by one additional push/build. That is likely true unless the bug/problem is truly deemed catastrophic. Software development of large scale can't exactly turn on a dime; so, unless a bug is truly trivial to implement and catastrophic in impact, I doubt you'll ever see it fixed in the current development cycle in which it is reported.

steveb16_ESO46

I did some beta testing of LOTRO Helms Deep expansion and never again. Companies want to be told what they want to hear.

stumpy999

Stevieb - very true

kaosodin

Unless you work for zen or bethesda or what ever, shusssh.

You have no idea what you are saying... you have no proof to back up anything you say.

If you want to complain go elsewhere. Or have a real complaint.

Just because YOU are unhappy, it does not mean anything is wrong.... maybe its you

RazielSR

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

I did some beta testing of LOTRO Helms Deep expansion and never again. Companies want to be told what they want to hear.

And fanboys in the forums too, just read some users here bashing other ones because they are saying the truth about things going wrong with the game.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I do agree with OP. This is released product for which Iam paying the money.
Seriously I have no idea why actual sub players wish to test stuff instead of playing what they pay for.

If they break something we have the right to complain about it via foruns or /feedback

You are nothing, but a free testing resource. Generous offer I say. But this is not a kickstarter product is it?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

I did some beta testing of LOTRO Helms Deep expansion and never again. Companies want to be told what they want to hear.

Likewise. Devs ignored what were almost unanimous concerns there and, I fear, I'm seeing the same sort of crud here. That expansion basically buried LOTRO (it's amazing it's not gone already) so it should be a story to be learned from; not a mistake repeated.

RazielSR

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

I do agree with OP. This is released product for which Iam paying the money.
Seriously I have no idea why actual sub players wish to test stuff instead of playing what they pay for.

If they break something we have the right to complain about it via foruns or /feedback

You are nothing, but a free testing resource. Generous offer I say. But this is not a kickstarter product is it?

It should be, but...I agree with you completely.

steveb16_ESO46

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

I did some beta testing of LOTRO Helms Deep expansion and never again. Companies want to be told what they want to hear.

Likewise. Devs ignored what were almost unanimous concerns there and, I fear, I'm seeing the same sort of crud here. That expansion basically buried LOTRO (it's amazing it's not gone already) so it should be a story to be learned from; not a mistake repeated.

My kinship wanted to move here but when they found it was all but impossible to group and there were no RP support they turned around and went back. LOTRO still does the social side of things well and they seem to have adjusted to the new gameplay. For them MMO's aren't about going from one combat to the next, it's about comradeship and playing together.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

kaosodin wrote: »

Unless you work for zen or bethesda or what ever, shusssh.

You have no idea what you are saying... you have no proof to back up anything you say.

If you want to complain go elsewhere. Or have a real complaint.

Just because YOU are unhappy, it does not mean anything is wrong.... maybe its you

Are you the only one in this thread who has his own eyes closed?