List of stealth changes?

Soloeus

Does anyone know what the stealth changes were? Equipment, skills, etc?

Odineous

Well I noticed a change in the nord passive line. Rugged changed from an armor boost to a percentage damage reduction. And now I'm taking much more damage.

nerevarine1138

There's already a thread on Reddit (re-posted here) detailing changes that they didn't notice in the patch notes.

But please stop calling them "stealth changes." It's not like the developers are maniacally cackling and rubbing their hands together when they forget to mention that a friend logging in will now display their character name as well as their account name.

vyal

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

... It's not like the developers are maniacally cackling and rubbing their hands together when they forget to mention that a friend logging in will now display their character name as well as their account name.

That would be an improvement. It implies the developers are actually planning ... something. Which would demonstrate a radical shift in competence.

Stealth nerfs are -always- intentional.
Omissions from patch notes don't require a re-patch. They require editing a text file.

nerevarine1138

vyal wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

... It's not like the developers are maniacally cackling and rubbing their hands together when they forget to mention that a friend logging in will now display their character name as well as their account name.

That would be an improvement. It implies the developers are actually planning ... something. Which would demonstrate a radical shift in competence.

Stealth nerfs are -always- intentional.
Omissions from patch notes don't require a re-patch. They require editing a text file.

Yes, and sometimes stuff gets left off the patch notes by mistake. These patch notes were pretty long already, so I'm not surprised that a few minor changes got left off by mistake.

Unless you're implying that things like seeing a character name in addition to an account name on the friend screen is a nerf. And then I can't help you.

Dayv

Things should not get left off patch notes by mistake. Any proper software engineer should be using a software change management system where *all* changes are numbered, logged and documented. Patch notes should simply be a report from this system. It's clear that they don't even know what changes they are making. ZOS is a shambles.

nerevarine1138

Dayv wrote: »

Things should not get left off patch notes by mistake. Any proper software engineer should be using a software change management system where *all* changes are numbered, logged and documented. Patch notes should simply be a report from this system. It's clear that they don't even know what changes they are making. ZOS is a shambles.

Yes, it's a real shambles. I know that my gameplay experience has been completely ruined by a handful of absolutely miniscule changes that only the comic book guy from The Simpsons would even notice.

Sleevez340

Whats a shambles?

Dayv

<p>@nerevarine1138, have you not seen the official list of issues with 1.2.3. That's only the ones they've acknowledged.  It's staggering that you don't see major problems with their organisational ability and seek to claim that their mistakes are trivial. Pretending the problems aren't there doesn't make them go away. </p>

nerevarine1138

Dayv wrote: »

<p>@nerevarine1138, have you not seen the official list of issues with 1.2.3. That's only the ones they've acknowledged.  It's staggering that you don't see major problems with their organisational ability and seek to claim that their mistakes are trivial. Pretending the problems aren't there doesn't make them go away. </p>

Issues with the patch aren't the same as changes that were left off the patch notes (which they've updated now, anyway).

KariTR

I remember when patch notes weren't even a thing...

Dayv

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/4875088/Sleevez340">Sleevez340</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">Whats a shambles?</div>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't know if it's just a UK word,  but it means a disorganised mess. </p>

The_Sadist

Dayv wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/4875088/Sleevez340">Sleevez340</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">Whats a shambles?</div>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't know if it's just a UK word,  but it means a disorganised mess. </p>

.. What?

rotatorkuf

omg zenimax and their ninja patches man lol

get you all's *** together...enough with your ambiguity....it permeates your whole game and its lack of thorough/correct wording/information