HASTE NOT WORKING WITH THE BOW ?

nvsg

I know I am not the only bow user that thinks this spell not working is a drag seriously I leveled all the way to 42 on assassination thinking I was going to dominate with this skill considering all I use is the bow but nope doesn't work please fix this issue eso! I literally cant play how I want without it.

CapuchinSeven

Known issue. Well known in fact.
It's said to be getting a fix. Will likely be worth using at that point with Syphoning Strikes.

Thejollygreenone

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Known issue. Well known in fact.
It's said to be getting a fix. Will likely be worth using at that point with Syphoning Strikes.

The fixes to Haste and attack speed in general are on the PTS to be tested right now.

I can tell you since I've by now tried it out, the damage increase is unfortunately strong between using haste and not using haste.

The dps increase for me would be theoretically between 2-3% between using it and not using anything for that slot. Sorry to burst your bubble :-/

But with animation cancelling dominating the DPS game and how it interacts oddly with attack speed then one can assume haste wont be much good for dps regardless of weapon.

I'll be testing some more when I can actually use my exact character set up, but my first impressions are bleak at best.

hasselhoffman

Was this fixed today?

nvsg

hasselhoffman wrote: »

Was this fixed today?

not to the forums it wasn't hopefully they fixed it man they said they fixed the incapitate which is the morph to it not haste itself so idk

Samadhi

nvsg wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

Was this fixed today?

not to the forums it wasn't hopefully they fixed it man they said they fixed the incapitate which is the morph to it not haste itself so idk

There was also a part of the patch notes for today that said:

Attack speed now correctly affects all weapons and weapon types.

In the Combat and Gameplay general section of the notes.

Theoretically, this should mean that Haste will work with the Bow, as well as the Medium Armour 5 piece passive.

I look forward to testing it and hope it works now.

nvsg

Samadhi wrote: »

nvsg wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

Was this fixed today?

not to the forums it wasn't hopefully they fixed it man they said they fixed the incapitate which is the morph to it not haste itself so idk

There was also a part of the patch notes for today that said:

Attack speed now correctly affects all weapons and weapon types.

In the Combat and Gameplay general section of the notes.

Theoretically, this should mean that Haste will work with the Bow, as well as the Medium Armour 5 piece passive.

I look forward to testing it and hope it works now.

no it says weapon fix because of the trait weighted which gives you fast weapon attack speed nothing about haste

Samadhi

nvsg wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

nvsg wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

Was this fixed today?

not to the forums it wasn't hopefully they fixed it man they said they fixed the incapitate which is the morph to it not haste itself so idk

There was also a part of the patch notes for today that said:

Attack speed now correctly affects all weapons and weapon types.

In the Combat and Gameplay general section of the notes.

Theoretically, this should mean that Haste will work with the Bow, as well as the Medium Armour 5 piece passive.

I look forward to testing it and hope it works now.

no it says weapon fix because of the trait weighted which gives you fast weapon attack speed nothing about haste

Ah, how unfortunate.
I thought it was referencing attack speed as a stat in general.

Moar clarity in patch notes pls.

Thejollygreenone

nvsg wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

nvsg wrote: »

hasselhoffman wrote: »

Was this fixed today?

not to the forums it wasn't hopefully they fixed it man they said they fixed the incapitate which is the morph to it not haste itself so idk

There was also a part of the patch notes for today that said:

Attack speed now correctly affects all weapons and weapon types.

In the Combat and Gameplay general section of the notes.

Theoretically, this should mean that Haste will work with the Bow, as well as the Medium Armour 5 piece passive.

I look forward to testing it and hope it works now.

no it says weapon fix because of the trait weighted which gives you fast weapon attack speed nothing about haste

This may also be true, but it is not solely referring to the weighted trait or else it would've specified it as such.

I know that the attack speed fix is more general and applies to haste with bows for a fact. I know this because this change went on the PTS in patch 1.2.2 and I tested it for myself.

Attack speed and haste works for bow light attacks, I'm absolutely certain of that. Draw speed animation on bows is still wiggy though so heavy attacks still may be bugged and not receive the attack speed that we would hope, others on the PTS have reported that heavy attacks don't seem to take the attack speed increase as noticeably, which is why I bring this bit up.

But rest assured, this attack speed change affected bows and ranged weapons in general. Please don't spread information if you have no proof of it.

Lynx7386

So can anyone confirm if haste is actually working (or is not working) for bow light and heavy attacks?

Also, if one were to be using a bow with haste, is it better to go for the morph that increases stamina regen, or the one that increases heavy attack damage (added with this patch)?

fallensbane_ESO

Personally would go with stamina Regen + Leeching Strikes or Siphoning Attacks

Thejollygreenone

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So can anyone confirm if haste is actually working (or is not working) for bow light and heavy attacks?

Also, if one were to be using a bow with haste, is it better to go for the morph that increases stamina regen, or the one that increases heavy attack damage (added with this patch)?

Haste works 100% certainly for light attacks with bow, not sure about heavy attacks its hard to tell.

As to stam regen or heavy attack damage, depends on if you use any heavy attacks. Some theorize DW heavy attack+flying blade animation cancelling with that morph of haste is going to produce some impressive dps.

Some testing will have to be done on all weapons to see if heavy attacks being put in rotations will be something worth doing. (I hope it is.)

Samadhi

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

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Haste works 100% certainly for light attacks with bow, not sure about heavy attacks its hard to tell.
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I tested using 20 second intervals on a stopwatch.

Without haste --> around 14 Light Attacks
With haste --> around 18 Light Attacks

Without haste --> around 6-7 Heavy Attacks
With haste --> around 6-7 Heavy Attacks

CapuchinSeven

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So can anyone confirm if haste is actually working (or is not working) for bow light and heavy attacks?

Also, if one were to be using a bow with haste, is it better to go for the morph that increases stamina regen, or the one that increases heavy attack damage (added with this patch)?

Haste works 100% certainly for light attacks with bow, not sure about heavy attacks its hard to tell.

As to stam regen or heavy attack damage, depends on if you use any heavy attacks. Some theorize DW heavy attack+flying blade animation cancelling with that morph of haste is going to produce some impressive dps.

Some testing will have to be done on all weapons to see if heavy attacks being put in rotations will be something worth doing. (I hope it is.)

It's always been worth using heavy attacks in PVE, testing showed DPS was higher that way so yeah it's not a bad thing to have.

Thejollygreenone

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So can anyone confirm if haste is actually working (or is not working) for bow light and heavy attacks?

Also, if one were to be using a bow with haste, is it better to go for the morph that increases stamina regen, or the one that increases heavy attack damage (added with this patch)?

Haste works 100% certainly for light attacks with bow, not sure about heavy attacks its hard to tell.

As to stam regen or heavy attack damage, depends on if you use any heavy attacks. Some theorize DW heavy attack+flying blade animation cancelling with that morph of haste is going to produce some impressive dps.

Some testing will have to be done on all weapons to see if heavy attacks being put in rotations will be something worth doing. (I hope it is.)

It's always been worth using heavy attacks in PVE, testing showed DPS was higher that way so yeah it's not a bad thing to have.

Some specifics would be appreciated, you've piqued my curiosity ^.^ think it would be beneficial for bow-use?

Samadhi wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

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Haste works 100% certainly for light attacks with bow, not sure about heavy attacks its hard to tell.
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I tested using 20 second intervals on a stopwatch.

Without haste --> around 14 Light Attacks
With haste --> around 18 Light Attacks

Without haste --> around 6-7 Heavy Attacks
With haste --> around 6-7 Heavy Attacks

Thanks a bunch for putting the effort in, cheers. This confirms what many where guessing, that light attacks get a attack speed bonus when using haste, whether or not a full 30% is applied is up for further examination.

However heavy attacks with a bow (this may be true for staves as well), as some had noticed, seem to not benefit from attack speed increases such as haste. I would assume it's something to do with the draw animation being so clunky, but that's a wild guess.

Regardless, this makes it clear that attack speed does not actually work for all weapons and weapon types after this patch. More like half way there. Keep workin on it ZoS, I expect this issue to get recognized.

davidetombab16_ESO

I can confirm haste not working with bow heavy attack and doesn t stack with medium armor agility passive ability(10% attack speed) in the fact is only 20%.

my test, light armor and haste 19,5 attacks 20 sec, no haste 15,5 attacks
medium armor and haste, 19.5 attacks, no haste 17 attacks

CapuchinSeven

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Some specifics would be appreciated, you've piqued my curiosity ^.^ think it would be beneficial for bow-use?.

It was posted on the Foundry, can't find it right now though.
Bow was the exception. Light attacks are better for the bow, this is likely down to it not auto releasing like melee weapons do.

SWEtree

Good info here. Lets see if they fix this in a hotfix
Im one of those masochist NBs using DW/Bow. If they fix weapin speed + it stacks with skillpoints i would maybe start to kill ppl in 1v1
/pray