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Why hard-hitting auto attacks aren't any fun.

Tabi
Tabi
Because they are unavoidable, and rather stupid.
  • Vazkahkatz
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    dodge works rather well for me if a guy with a greatsword is coming at me
    feel da powah of da katz!
  • Falmer
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    Unavoidable? You can block any attack. They don't have to be a charged up attack to use your shield/block. Granted if its something like daggers they will probably attack before you can notice, but when they giant winds up that tree branch like he's about to aim for the fences.... use your shield. Even if there are no white sparks coming off him.
  • jerzey_gamer
    Agreed ^^ .. I feel not enough people take advantage of the dodge feature. It can make taking on a group of mobs a heck of a lot easier.
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  • Tabi
    Tabi
    Blocking isn't avoiding. Blocking auto attacks that deals excessive amounts of damage starves the stamina pool when you engage more than 2 enemies.
  • Bhakura
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    Am i like only one that uses CCs to engage more then one enemie? Even in public dungeon, no matter what class you are, you can CC enough to fight one or two at most or even kill one or two before the first attack even hits you ...
    Not getting this kind of topics ...
  • Tabi
    Tabi
    I'm pointing out the fact that I (and a lot of others) get instagibbed in a couple of hits.

    Sure, the CC factor sure is easy to side with, but to be honest, the choice of CC for most is the mindnumbingly boring Volcanic Rune.
    Oh, I wish, I long for I plead, for some actual freedom in skill choices.
    Edited by Tabi on June 19, 2014 3:40PM
  • Obscure
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    @Tabi
    Unavoidable? Sparks, Ember Explosion, Heated Blades, Blur, Mirage, Double Take, Evasion, Shuffle, Elude, Ash Cloud, Eruption, Cinder Storm, Blinding Light, Blinding Flashes, Searing Light, Hist Bark set, and good ol fashioned dodging disagree.

    Me thinks you're new here.
  • Tabi
    Tabi
    Dem RNGs
  • poodlemasterb16_ESO
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    One thing that's useful for old FPS players is that circle strafing is built in. I do it automatically and all the big guys lose track of you very easily, if you never stop. Did the three part Sai extraction with both my leads and although the middle is ... interesting ... I did not really come close to dying.

    Not only is 'don't stand in the fire' useful advice, but 'don't stand around at all' is also useful.
  • seaef
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    Tabi wrote: »
    Because they are unavoidable, and rather stupid.

    Only if you're standing there, picking your nose.
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  • sigsergv
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    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.
  • poodlemasterb16_ESO
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    Don't run. Just keep moving, only double tap if you have to.

    Keeping calm, is a big part of dealing with the nastier encounters.
  • Obscure
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    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Obscure wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.

    Given that stamina reduces a precent of your stamina and not a set amount, you're talking rubbish. You might be regaining your stamina faster than others but you're still losing the same percent from your bar.
  • Obscure
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    Obscure wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.

    Given that stamina reduces a precent of your stamina and not a set amount, you're talking rubbish. You might be regaining your stamina faster than others but you're still losing the same percent from your bar.

    ...clearly there can't possibly be a way to reduce the cost of dodging...
  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    Falmer wrote: »
    Unavoidable? You can block any attack. They don't have to be a charged up attack to use your shield/block. Granted if its something like daggers they will probably attack before you can notice, but when they giant winds up that tree branch like he's about to aim for the fences.... use your shield. Even if there are no white sparks coming off him.

    Actually you can't block Any attack... but you can block light and heavy attacks for sure.
  • Brasseurfb16_ESO
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    Obscure wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.

    Given that stamina reduces a precent of your stamina and not a set amount, you're talking rubbish. You might be regaining your stamina faster than others but you're still losing the same percent from your bar.

    Actualy its a % of your base stamina and not your max stamina.
    Edited by Brasseurfb16_ESO on June 20, 2014 6:18PM
  • Shaun98ca2
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    Obscure wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.

    Given that stamina reduces a precent of your stamina and not a set amount, you're talking rubbish. You might be regaining your stamina faster than others but you're still losing the same percent from your bar.

    Actualy its a % of your base stamina and not your max stamina.

    Isnt base stamina the same for everybody at every level interval? So its basically a fixed cost that scales as you level but stays affordable unless you don't put points towards Stamina.
  • ShedsHisTail
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    Shaun98ca2 wrote: »
    Obscure wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    2-3 dodge/blocks and your stamina pool is empty. And mobs are spamming heavy attacks. Try to dodge Throwing Knife when you're out of stamina.

    No no no, your Stamina pool is empty. After 3 dodges my Stamina pool is doing just fine, I'm not even below 50% at that point. Also, no, never try to dodge an NPC "throwing knife", even at max Stamina, that's how you waste your Stamina. Reflect it or Interrupt it. If you can't do either, I'd recommend you reconsider your build strategy.

    Given that stamina reduces a precent of your stamina and not a set amount, you're talking rubbish. You might be regaining your stamina faster than others but you're still losing the same percent from your bar.

    Actualy its a % of your base stamina and not your max stamina.

    Isnt base stamina the same for everybody at every level interval? So its basically a fixed cost that scales as you level but stays affordable unless you don't put points towards Stamina.

    Unless of course you have skills which reduce dodge cost (medium armor), block cost (S&B, Heavy Armor), etc.

    There are ways to make your Stamina go further.

    My biggest problem seems to be some amount of lag. A lot of times I find that I take damage before I actually see the attack execute. Move out of the red, take the hit anyway. Get out from in front of the power attack, take the hit anyway. Simply moving out of the way doesn't seem to avoid anything unless I actually do a dodge-roll. I'm assuming that doing a dodge roll actually applies a brief 100% miss chance or something which is why actually rolling results in avoidance and just moving out of the damage zone results in becoming a corpse.

    As far as Throwing knives go, if you're like me and don't have a means of reflecting them and aren't right up on the mob in order to interrupt, your best bet is to mitigate as much as you can by blocking; I've found if I try to dodge-roll a throwing knife it finds me anyway.

    Sadly, in Vet ranks I've encountered more than one baddie that can one-shot me through a block so I've become more familiar with dodging.
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  • Dont Shoot
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    I got to level 30 before I realized standing in redness was not ever gonna work out. I was so used to standing next to something and auto attacking. I think if they made it so that autoattacks didn't hit automatically connection speed and mods could be used to completely dominate pvp
  • Cody
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    this is where stamina builds have one advantage. dodge! roll! heck, block with whatever you have. no need to sit there and let those AD scum pulverize you!
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