Why does crystal fragments hit so hard?

Valn

On death recap I always see crystal fragments hitting around 600 damage, sometimes even more. This screenshot I posted in a different thread shows me getting owned in around 3 seconds after being knocked off my horse.



Now I've chosen a silly choice of doing a full stamina build, but I'm determined to try and make it work, changing around glyphs, experimenting with different set bonuses and that (though not many suit the needs of stamina builds). Right now I've got these stats (thoughts?)



Crystal fragments does more damage than my ultimate (though the ultimate is an aoe, you can't cast it that often)



Is ZOS aware that crystal fragments can hit harder than any stamina ability/take flight, and is this issue (if it's an issue at all) going to be addressed in the near future?

When will stamina builds be buffed?

jelliedsoup

Hopefully soon. Each death I have usually involves either crystal shards, standard or oil...or talons.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

as every skill you can block (negates the stun and some dmg of CF)

btw crystal fragment have a base of 3 sek channel (skilled a 10% chance to be instant)

so my math you stood there afk für over 15 seconds (not Blocking, not reacting)

... and your pic will get deleted due to naming policy

babylon

If you were a werewolf you'd be complaining about Silver Shards.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

It hits hard because it has a cast time. Unless you get a fragments proc. Then it becomes one of the nastiest direct damage abilities in the game.

Valn

babylon wrote: »

If you were a werewolf you'd be complaining about Silver Shards.

I've actually never seen a werewolf in PVP such a neglected skill line

Beesting

I just read through a whole post of you being killed while on a horse and now you make another one?
Spend your time leveling up a sorc, is my advice.

zScars

You can simple block it to mitigate literally half of the damage from crystals.

Crystals is not something spammed, and it can be interrupted, w/ Venom arrow from bow skill line, or force shock from desto staff.

If they morph it into crystal fragments, and you have crystal fragments on your skill bar, anytime you use a magicka skill, it has a 33% chance of it proc'ing, and being a instant cast along w/ half the magicka to cast it.


But looking at the death recap, you got hit 3 times in a row. They all did the exact same damage. That means,
-You got hit on a mount
-You don't know how to block
-Your just terrible at PvP

You can even dodge roll to avoid getting hit.

Valn

zScars wrote: »

You can simple block it to mitigate literally half of the damage from crystals.

Crystals is not something spammed, and it can be interrupted, w/ Venom arrow from bow skill line, or force shock from desto staff.

How exactly does a melee player interrupt someone when the melee player is on a horse?

If they morph it into crystal fragments, and you have crystal fragments on your skill bar, anytime you use a magicka skill, it has a 33% chance of it proc'ing, and being a instant cast along w/ half the magicka to cast it.

This is true

But looking at the death recap, you got hit 3 times in a row. They all did the exact same damage. That means,
-You got hit on a mount

That's right, I was on a mount and got knocked off, I couldn't break from the stun of being knocked off

Then you go onto say

-You don't know how to block
-Your just terrible at PvP


You can even dodge roll to avoid getting hit.

How exactly is one meant to dodge roll and block whilst being on a horse? I even said myself that i got owned. But what confused me is the huge damage from the crystal fragments, despite me being capped in spell resist.

zScars

You cant.

You need to realize that once you get attacked while on a horse, 99% of the time your dead. This isn't just for sorcerers, it's for every class. (NB's can do it hella better than any class)

You and I both know of the delay that happens when you get forcefully dismounted by a attack. There's a period where your literally standing there taking hits and cannot do anything.

Instead blaming it on a sorcerer, you should be channeling that to ZoS for implementing the "got-hit-on-mount-cant-move-for-6-seconds" feature.

If that feature didn't exist, you would have used dragon blood, and spared us the time having to read your multiple threads.

pong

oh gosh.... just take it into consideration ANYBODY who is riding a horse is a sitting duck.

Valn

zScars wrote: »

You cant.

You need to realize that once you get attacked while on a horse, 99% of the time your dead. This isn't just for sorcerers, it's for every class. (NB's can do it hella better than any class)

You and I both know of the delay that happens when you get forcefully dismounted by a attack. There's a period where your literally standing there taking hits and cannot do anything.

Instead blaming it on a sorcerer, you should be channeling that to ZoS for implementing the "got-hit-on-mount-cant-move-for-6-seconds" feature.

If that feature didn't exist, you would have used dragon blood, and spared us the time having to read your multiple threads.

i've been knocked off my horse plenty of times by a lone ganker and have managed to kill him. And yes there is a slight delay. But the issue I think here is the huge damage from crystal fragments.

babylon

Valn wrote: »

huge damage from crystal fragments.

That isn't huge damage, it's a 2 second cast without the proc. You were on a horse.

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Valn

babylon wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

huge damage from crystal fragments.

That isn't huge damage, it's a 2 second cast without the proc. You were on a horse, own your stupidity.

It's huge compared to other abilities. And it's more of a 1.3 second cast, not sure if you knew that.

And i'd like to see you run around cyrodiil on a horse without being knocked off it

Reykice

This guy again... he made a dozen threads trying to get sorcerers nerfed.

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babylon

Valn wrote: »

i'd like to see you run around cyrodiil on a horse without being knocked off it

Don't run about blindly on your horse in enemy territory. You think someone isn't going to knock you off as you ponce around on that thing?

Natjur

Knock from horse = Stun and 100% chance of Crit hit
(if your horse has stamina in its bar, you can not get knocked off, instead the stamina just drops, try traveling in PVP without holding down shift, if you see your stamina drop, you know you just got attacked but your horse 'took it' for you)
Concentration = Spells ignore 42% of enemy spell resistance with 7 Light Armor.
60% change of spell crit with the right skills

This means Crystal Fragment will hit you for 500 to 750 per hit, no matter how much spell resist you have.

Getting hit with a range cast while your on a horse in PVP = BAD, but that the risk of using a horse. In PVP range is king and if your a melee range class...... your stuffed unless you react fast and proc a reflect (DK or Templar) or a Venom Arrow.

This is why sorcs hate the Escaping Bolt change, as they will be forced to use horses now and will get one shotted from a horse like the rest of us

babylon

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

This guy again... he made a dozen threads trying to get sorcerers nerfed. Don`t buy into his trolling...

Right, so this is another troll thread, leaving it then, let the OP talk to himself.

Reykice

He won`t get it nerfed anyway as its not that OP... you can do a lot more damage with a bow or DW and animation cancelling... a 1.3s cast can`t compete with that even with the high damage - damage that is perfectly balanced by the high magicka cost.

Valn

babylon wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

i'd like to see you run around cyrodiil on a horse without being knocked off it

Don't run about blindly on your horse in enemy territory. You think someone isn't going to knock you off as you ponce around on that thing?

I wasn't in enemy territory.

Valn

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

He won`t get it nerfed anyway as its not that OP... you can do a lot more damage with a bow or DW and animation cancelling... a 1.3s cast can`t compete with that even with the high damage - damage that is perfectly balanced by the high magicka cost.

It's quite high damage, sometimes more than double the damage of the stamina abilities

zScars

The damage per cast is high, even higher if it's a critical.

But there are many ways to defeat this, as I said with either venom arrow, or force shock. Or even using shield charge, and bashing will do the trick, assuming you roll 1H and shield, as many DK's do.

You have a 33% heal, along with reflective scale, that is capable of reflecting crystals back to the caster. There's a morph that even allows anything reflected to deal 20% more damage.

You shouldn't be complaining, your class has many defensive features. This is just you dying by getting attacked on a mount. Use these features, and stop crying on the forums. I get killed on my mount atleast 2~5 times a day. Walk, like I do or ride with the protection of a zerg.

Reykice

Valn wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

He won`t get it nerfed anyway as its not that OP... you can do a lot more damage with a bow or DW and animation cancelling... a 1.3s cast can`t compete with that even with the high damage - damage that is perfectly balanced by the high magicka cost.

It's quite high damage, sometimes more than double the damage of the stamina abilities

Sometimes pigs fly...

In the time you cast it you can get 2 flying blades or bow attacks + other light attacks doing the same damage as a Crystal Shard.... yey for animation cancelling.

This will be my last reply here.
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Valn

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

He won`t get it nerfed anyway as its not that OP... you can do a lot more damage with a bow or DW and animation cancelling... a 1.3s cast can`t compete with that even with the high damage - damage that is perfectly balanced by the high magicka cost.

It's quite high damage, sometimes more than double the damage of the stamina abilities

Sometimes pigs fly...

In the time you cast it you can get 2 flying blades or bow attacks + other light attacks doing the same damage as a Crystal Shard.... yey for animation cancelling.

This will be my last reply here.

You have no proof of this.

Teargrants

Dude, these are literally the same screens you posted in your other thread about being knocked off your horse and killed.

You died cuz you were ganked on your horse, get over it. If you don't want that to happen, learn to avoid the gank spots between keeps, don't constantly sprint so you have time to dismount when attacked, ride with other ppl, or stealth through. If those options are too much of a hassle, then there is nothing anyone can do for you because everyone else is subject to the same issues in Cyrodiil.

You died in 3 seconds, so what? If that is the case, then the sorc got the second 2 shards to proc + got the disintegrate passive to proc at the end w/ his light attack. You are aware of how lucky the sorc was, considering the chances of this happening? The chance for all of this to happen one after the other is literally 1.1%.

And you are nowhere near capped in spell resist, the hard cap is 2500 which gives 50% mitigation.

Comparing Shards to Dragon Leap is ridiculous. Shards only hits 1 target, w/ a 33% chance to proc and a high cost, Dragon Leap is a low cost, instant AoE gap closer.

Valn

Kirsika wrote: »

Dude, these are literally the same screens you posted in your other thread about being knocked off your horse and killed.

You died cuz you were ganked on your horse, get over it. If you don't want that to happen, learn to avoid the gank spots between keeps, don't constantly sprint so you have time to dismount when attacked, ride with other ppl, or stealth through. If those options are too much of a hassle, then there is nothing anyone can do for you because everyone else is subject to the same issues in Cyrodiil.

You died in 3 seconds, so what? If that is the case, then the sorc got the second 2 shards to proc + got the disintegrate passive to proc at the end w/ his light attack. You are aware of how lucky the sorc was, considering the chances of this happening? The chance for all of this to happen one after the other is literally 1.1%.

And you are nowhere near capped in spell resist, the hard cap is 2500 which gives 50% mitigation.

Comparing Shards to Dragon Leap is ridiculous. Shards only hits 1 target, w/ a 33% chance to proc and a high cost, Dragon Leap is a low cost, instant AoE gap closer.

This isn't about the horse thing. I'm simply showing the damage numbers. So 90% of your post is completely irrelevant and off topic, along with the few others who have also commented on this horse thing.

Shards is 1 target and you can use it more often than dragon leap ultimate. Yes dragon leap is AOE but when you're leaping sometimes enemies and move out of the way and you hit nothing.

And actually he most likely casted the 2 crystal fragments and the other was a proc

joanjett

Everyday its something about him getting
killed by a SOR. Nerf this nerf that.
Look i understand that stamina attacks don't do the dmg that
magic does. We all know this and Zen knows this. If they do something
about it great......but you know what.....you will still be posting about
getting killed in PVP cause you don't know what your doing.

You might want to get your weapon crits up....i mean dam!
I have a SOR and my spelldmg is 136 and crits are at 60%.
So yes im going to do some dmg. Thats what SOR do.
But there are ways to stop it, try doing some home work on it.


Who knows i just might save your life......than again it might not


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Valn

joanjett wrote: »

I have a SOR and my spelldmg is 136 and crits are at 60%.
So yes im going to do some dmg. Thats what SOR do.
But there are ways to stop it, try doing some home work on it.


Who knows i just might save your life......than again it might not

It's easy to get crit up on sorc, not so much with melee...

Hawke

Valn wrote: »

On death recap I always see crystal fragments hitting around 600 damage, sometimes even more. This screenshot I posted in a different thread shows me getting owned in around 3 seconds after being knocked off my horse.



Now I've chosen a silly choice of doing a full stamina build, but I'm determined to try and make it work, changing around glyphs, experimenting with different set bonuses and that (though not many suit the needs of stamina builds). Right now I've got these stats (thoughts?)



Crystal fragments does more damage than my ultimate (though the ultimate is an aoe, you can't cast it that often)



Is ZOS aware that crystal fragments can hit harder than any stamina ability/take flight, and is this issue (if it's an issue at all) going to be addressed in the near future?

When will stamina builds be buffed?

You cannot get owned in 3 seconds by a single person using Crystal Fragments...

Can you please change that? It adds bad blood for people who do not understand how the game works.

Valn

Hawke wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

On death recap I always see crystal fragments hitting around 600 damage, sometimes even more. This screenshot I posted in a different thread shows me getting owned in around 3 seconds after being knocked off my horse.



Now I've chosen a silly choice of doing a full stamina build, but I'm determined to try and make it work, changing around glyphs, experimenting with different set bonuses and that (though not many suit the needs of stamina builds). Right now I've got these stats (thoughts?)



Crystal fragments does more damage than my ultimate (though the ultimate is an aoe, you can't cast it that often)



Is ZOS aware that crystal fragments can hit harder than any stamina ability/take flight, and is this issue (if it's an issue at all) going to be addressed in the near future?

When will stamina builds be buffed?

You cannot get owned in 3 seconds by a single person using Crystal Fragments...

Can you please change that? It adds bad blood for people who do not understand how the game works.

Again i've proven in the other thready ou can. in fact you proved it for me

Teargrants

Hard to get wep crit up?

- 21% Medium armor
- 8% Precise wep trait
- 5% Thief stone
- 5% Werewolf set
- 8% Cyrodiil keep bonus

That's 47% wep crit I can think of off the top of my head... not even taking class/wep passives into account!