8 trait crafting stations and my big mistake.

elblobbob14_ESO

I know this is stupid of me, and I have only myself to blame, but I wish I would have realized that my dedicated crafters will never be the best unless I level all of them through the entire main story line, as well as the fighters guild and mages guild story lines, to be able to have access to the 8 trait stations.

The thought of leveling 4 more characters no longer becomes fun, and suddenly feels like a job. I already have one of those.

indytims_ESO

Can you explain why you can't 'be the best'?

Not trolling - I am a mid-level crafter and am curious about your answer.

Thanks!

BirdUp

indytims_ESO wrote: »

Can you explain why you can't 'be the best'?

The problem is they won't have access to crafting sites like "Orgnum's Scales" or "Shalidor's Curse" until they finish fighter's/mage's guild quest lines.

I don't think you can group teleport to these places.

Set Bonus Crafting Locations

elblobbob14_ESO

To be the best, you would want your crafters to craft all the types of crafting sets available, including the crafting sets that require all 8 triats to be trained.

Eye's of Mara and Shalidor's Curse sets require completing the entire Mage's Guild quest line.

Kagrenac's Hope and Orgnum's Scales sets require completing the entire Fighter's Guild quest line.

Spectre's Eye and Oblivion's Foe are in Coldharbor, although I am not sure exactly where, but you don't have access to Coldharbor until you have progressed quite a ways into the main story line.

The Arena is in Craglorn which I believe requires Veteran level 1.

I am assuming any future crafting sets will only raise the level requirement for access.

So, based on all this, it's clear the design of the crafting system is such that it excludes people who want to make dedicated crafters.

Again, it's their design, and my mistake. I just wish I would have noticed it much earlier.

Thechemicals

indytims_ESO wrote: »

Can you explain why you can't 'be the best'?

Not trolling - I am a mid-level crafter and am curious about your answer.

Thanks!

I believe he means that it takes levelling up to get improved crafting skills and also some exploration to get to unique crafting stations....like you couldnt craft a set of willow if you have never been to the location. You can have a friend maybe get you there that has explored it. Also, you need to deconstruct higher level gear to increase skill unless you have lots of money to buy the materials but that can be challenging with certain crafts.

elblobbob14_ESO

Thechemicals wrote: »

I believe he means that it takes levelling up to get improved crafting skills and also some exploration to get to unique crafting stations....like you couldnt craft a set of willow if you have never been to the location. You can have a friend maybe get you there that has explored it. Also, you need to deconstruct higher level gear to increase skill unless you have lots of money to buy the materials but that can be challenging with certain crafts.

I can get to all the 6 trait stations with my crafters. Requires a bit of sneak, some adventure, and a death or two, but even a level 1 char isn't prohibited from venturing into a level 50 zone. It's just the 8 trait stations that are off limits. I was so focused on getting my first char leveled up to start providing the materials for my crafters, and getting my crafters working on researching, that I just didn't pay attention. My clothier is the furtherst along and has several items at 6 traits, and it wasn't until I started in on researching my 7th trait on an item that it dawned on me that it's pointless to research any further.

My only option at this point is to start leveling my crafters, and the thought of going through that, all over again, with 4 other characters (my crafters), just isn't very appealing.

Anyway, was just venting, but if this post keeps someone else from making the same mistake (as there is a lot of time involved in researching traits), then I'm glad I made it.

I certainly don't expect ZOS to alter their design.

UncleArkie

If you're VR 12 doing the guild quests will take an hour or two, all you have to do is wait it out. If you didn't level your crafting on your main then, shucks, the game isn't designed for you to have a lot of alts.

Beesting

I have seen a german named character that was v12 in the vuhkel bank and it was clear by the name that the character was originally made to be a crafter,
So you are not the only one that will level a crafter,
I just hope yours have better names than 'my woodworking alt' in german.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Yes you have to level your crafters. It can happen fairly naturally but they have to both acquire skill points and find crafting stations.

All my crafters have fighters ahead of them in the quest line and they find the stations first. As I know what will happen I can get crafters through pretty tough missions as well as go to the stations I have found.

Kalman

I have one character that is dedicated for all crafts. She is VR2 at the moment and was not hard to do.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

you just need to make your main a crafter! There are soooo many skillpoints you can level them just enough to get better research and dont have to put points in after that until 200+ skill points if you want. easy to get. Im just finishing v5 zone and i have maxed smith, wood and light level and skill points; and have all the other skills i want, as well as,10 skillpoints waiting to be used for when they release a new skill line. also there are a tone more for me to get in v6-10 and each alliance rank gives a skill point.
there is no reason to need crafting alts after the mail nerf unless you want to so more than 3 crafts. and honestly find some friends and share, three is plenty.

Halrloprillalar

Option 1) level crafting skills on your main. Yes they eat a fair bit of skillpoints (but there are 300 total in game IIRC) but if you are that concerned, it's doable
Option 2) Pay a crafter to make you set items, most people don't charge that much for 6 trait, and 8 trait is bound to go down over time as more people have it

Sharee

elblobbob14_ESO wrote: »

Spectre's Eye and Oblivion's Foe are in Coldharbor, although I am not sure exactly where, but you don't have access to Coldharbor until you have progressed quite a ways into the main story line.

I take it you didn't see the thousands of level 3 bots exploiting the hollow city introduction quest before it got nerfed?

You can port to coldharbor if your groupmate is there, using the 'travel to' function on the group UI.

Alephen

power level to vr1 and you can go to craglorn. can do the guild questlines easily since overleveled.

just need to find another crafting buddy or 2 and do the aoe kill grind for about 20 hours. boring, but not too long.

crafting has always been adv level based. resource on extraction is leel based and deconning is so much better a way to level. this is just another example.

AreoHotah

Why can't your main be dedicated crafter?? I'm vr7 with all 6 professions maxed out and full passives and i still have 3 zones to discover so still alot of skill points there. i have 6 traits an all items researched and 8 traits on 3 of them (other 2 finished in 12 days so i will be able to make a full set of 8 traited). All if that on my main character. There is 0 need to create and lvl up a new char.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

AreoHotah wrote: »

Why can't your main be dedicated crafter?? I'm vr7 with all 6 professions maxed out and full passives and i still have 3 zones to discover so still alot of skill points there. i have 6 traits an all items researched and 8 traits on 3 of them (other 2 finished in 12 days so i will be able to make a full set of 8 traited). All if that on my main character. There is 0 need to create and lvl up a new char.

You must have done something very, very unusual to acquire all the items you need to deconn to max out even TWO crafts, let alone all six crafts.

I expect you played from release and were able to make use of some of the horrible gold and item farming abuses (especially Motif) that ZOS eventually nerfed to Oblivion.

I refuse to believe what you claim to have achieved is possible now.

AreoHotah

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

Why can't your main be dedicated crafter?? I'm vr7 with all 6 professions maxed out and full passives and i still have 3 zones to discover so still alot of skill points there. i have 6 traits an all items researched and 8 traits on 3 of them (other 2 finished in 12 days so i will be able to make a full set of 8 traited). All if that on my main character. There is 0 need to create and lvl up a new char.

You must have done something very, very unusual to acquire all the items you need to deconn to max out even TWO crafts, let alone all six crafts.

I expect you played from release and were able to make use of some of the horrible gold and item farming abuses (especially Motif) that ZOS eventually nerfed to Oblivion.

I refuse to believe what you claim to have achieved is possible now.

Well refusing to believe won't help you. I haven't done ANYTHING unusual and i've never exploited anything. Just hard work (play lol) and dedication.

Yes i am playing since early access almost everyday. Much less now since i found the game kinda boring lately. Again I'm only vr7. Mainly because i find this lvl grinding stuff very boring. But i love crafting and i spend all of my time in game crafting.

I have been deconstructing every item i found or get from quest since lvl 1. My blacksmithing, clothing and woodworking were maxed out when i reached vr2. Now when i say maxed out i mean lvl 40 beacause that the requirement to have all passives available. Lvl 50 is useless. I have never found a rare motif cuz i don't like farming. I have them all but i bought them all with gold i made from crafting sets for ppl and selling traits for research. Traits? I'm researching non stop. I already knew the 6 traited sets will be the most requested ones so that was my main goal to have 6 traits on every item. Now I'm done with that, nothing else to do but going for 8.

Provisioning and alchemy are so easy to max out i won't even get into details. It took me like 2 days each and maximum 10k gold for buying some plants and some solvents...
Provisioning recipes? I learned every one i found until now, not selling anything.

Enchanting was a bit.. but nothin 40-50k can't handle. Traded my glyphs with other up until lvl 28 or so but then i lost patience and so i let the gold handle it.

Now I'm lvl 50 in all professions (42 on enchanting) and i make 20-40k gold a day just by advertising in zone chat and 4 trading guilds with 400+ mbrs.
Making gold is way to easy.
You believe its possible now? Anyway I'm more than happy to help you out with any question u have. Cheers.

DeLindsay

Or just do full crafting ON your main like I do, and many others. There are MORE than enough SP in game right now to allow a single character to have all crafting at max and 2 different play styles for each weapon bar, like DPS/Healer or Healer/Tank or ST/AOE, etc. You don't need every single point in every single profession to consider yourself complete in it. Keen Eye is a great example, sure it's nice to have 3/3 but anything more than 1/3 is wasted points until there are so many SP in game that you run out of stuff to put it in, and I don't put any into Enchanting Keen Eye as you can see the rune at your max draw distance anyway.

I'm VR7 and also have all professions maxed (Enchanting is only now JUST at level 40, but that's max rank right now so good enough).

AreoHotah

DeLindsay wrote: »

Or just do full crafting ON your main like I do, and many others. There are MORE than enough SP in game right now to allow a single character to have all crafting at max and 2 different play styles for each weapon bar, like DPS/Healer or Healer/Tank or ST/AOE, etc. You don't need every single point in every single profession to consider yourself complete in it. Keen Eye is a great example, sure it's nice to have 3/3 but anything more than 1/3 is wasted points until there are so many SP in game that you run out of stuff to put it in, and I don't put any into Enchanting Keen Eye as you can see the rune at your max draw distance anyway.

Trust me i have full skill points on every passive in all 6 professions. Also full passives in race, class, medium armor, dualwield and others and still have 3 zones to explore so...

DeLindsay

AreoHotah wrote: »

Trust me i have full skill points on every passive in all 6 professions. Also full passives in race, class, medium armor, dualwield and others and still have 3 zones to explore so...

As do I, but I was commenting to the OP. It still surprises me that people can't figure out how to do full crafting on a single toon AND make that toon combat viable with the ~323 SP currently in game (50 of that from the 50 PvP ranks). It's like people think they HAVE to talent every single skill in every single tree and morph them all just in case 6 months from now they might want to use that ability lol.

Khenarthi

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

You must have done something very, very unusual to acquire all the items you need to deconn to max out even TWO crafts, let alone all six crafts.

I expect you played from release and were able to make use of some of the horrible gold and item farming abuses (especially Motif) that ZOS eventually nerfed to Oblivion.

I refuse to believe what you claim to have achieved is possible now.

I can confirm this is perfectly possible without exploiting anything. Like @AreoHotah‌ I've been levelling my crafter steadily since early access and I have all clothing, smithing, and woodworking maxed with at least 6 traits researched on each item, plus enchanting on level 32.

This was achieved by playing normally - questing, looting containers, decontructing or researching all I can find - with no exploits at all.

Provisioning and alchemy are max level on another character with no combat skills whatsoever, as she never leaves the cities past the early areas.

Isibis

Main crafters are definitely possible. If you are deconstructing everything you find and maybe trading some decon items with a friend every one in a while you will get to 40 without a thought. By vet 1, my woodworking was at 40, clothier 37, blacksmithing 28 (I was not actually leveling that one). Of course provisioning maxed. The other two I was lazy about so never started. Maybe some day.
I plan to eventually retire her to just crafting and occasional group play

Perhaps a viable solution for the OP is picking one of your crafters and specializing him on hard crafts. Sure, there will be much catching up to do in research, but at least you don't need to level 4 characters to vet 1!