Sparring against members of the same faction

Nermy

Is there any plans for sparring? As the title says, I would love to have a spar with friends and members of my faction/guild.

There's a few reasons I would love to see this introduced:
- Training for PvP
- Testing out builds
- Guild events
- Passing time with friends
- Getting one over on said friends (Might not be friends for much longer)

I'm sure there's more but I can't think of them right now.

Btw, if this has been posted before, I apologise. I did do a search but couldn't find any specific threads.

AreoHotah

What you ask is duel right? Would be awesome.

Nermy

AreoHotah wrote: »

What you ask is duel right? Would be awesome.

Aye duel/spar... same thing.

Dymence

Signed. Would love to see something like this.

DDemon

Yes please.

Hilgara

There wont be duels for a long time. Reason?.....it will prove us all right beyond doubt about class imbalances.

Blackwidow

Dueling should be in every MMO.

ZOS made a huge mistake by leaving it out.

It did not stop any QQing about nerf this or that.

Nermy

Hilgara wrote: »

There wont be duels for a long time. Reason?.....it will prove us all right beyond doubt about class imbalances.

Wouldn't that be a reason to include it and sort out these class imbalances once and for all?

Though I also think some classes will always be stronger than others and that's just the way it is. In LOTRO, I could never beat a minstrel in a spar, no matter what class I tried.

Tannakaobi

Nermy wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

What you ask is duel right? Would be awesome.

Aye duel/spar... same thing.

Nah! It's not. Sparring is when you pull your hits so as not to hurt one another, dueling is when you have a feud and want to sort it out in a more manly way than say, pulling each others hair.

Hilgara wrote: »

There wont be duels for a long time. Reason?.....it will prove us all right beyond doubt about class imbalances.

Or would it just prove that actually, stamina builds can be awesome too, because that's the first thing I would do, go and teach some stupid DK how to fight with a Nightblade...

Hamfast

I will add the same comment I put in the "Duel Option" poll several pages down now...

If they include an auto-decline and ignore defaulted to on, perhaps I would agree to it... it's not bad enough that you get spammed with requests to Duel by those who want to measure their ePeen, but then you have to listen to them cluck like chickens or some other snide comments, hence I added the ignore... perhaps an "Instant Kill" Synergy is offered to the victim of Duel Spamming... Second request in x seconds "Hit X to Instant Kill the prat"

The poll was 79% for, 20% against...

SilverWF

I want full PK

Tavore1138

One of the things that actually made me want to try this MMO was that PvP was voluntary and limited in region, creeping it to the point it impacts on PvE would be a shame.

Bad enough getting half the dungeons, dolmensand quest hubs in Cyrodiil camped on by griefing mental cases without spreading it.

If people want to get their jollies by spoiling other players fun then there are many many MMOs designed for you, please use them.

Nermy

There would have to be an ignore option. While I'd like to see this as an option, I don't want to be frustrated by being spammed by players wanting to spar/duel or spew their e-peen issues all over me.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

What you ask is duel right? Would be awesome.

Aye duel/spar... same thing.

Nah! It's not. Sparring is when you pull your hits so as not to hurt one another, dueling is when you have a feud and want to sort it out in a more manly way than say, pulling each others hair.

Ok, ok... so there is a slight difference in RL though I hardly think it would make a lot of difference in-game but I take your point...

Tannakaobi

Nermy wrote: »

There would have to be an ignore option. While I'd like to see this as an option, I don't want to be frustrated by being spammed by players wanting to spar/duel or spew their e-peen issues all over me.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

What you ask is duel right? Would be awesome.

Aye duel/spar... same thing.

Nah! It's not. Sparring is when you pull your hits so as not to hurt one another, dueling is when you have a feud and want to sort it out in a more manly way than say, pulling each others hair.

Ok, ok... so there is a slight difference in RL though I hardly think it would make a lot of difference in-game but I take your point...

I only pointed it out because I think ESO should have both. Although I think sparring should be fist fighting. Like in Skyrim...

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

One of the things that actually made me want to try this MMO was that PvP was voluntary and limited in region, creeping it to the point it impacts on PvE would be a shame.

Bad enough getting half the dungeons, dolmensand quest hubs in Cyrodiil camped on by griefing mental cases without spreading it.

If people want to get their jollies by spoiling other players fun then there are many many MMOs designed for you, please use them.

Such a boohoo, me, me, me, me, me attitude. I'd be quite happy to take dueling to a dueling area too keep the cry babies happy, it is hardly the people that want to duels fault that most mmo's don't do this, so don't try to insult us that do want to duel. But dueling is not the same as what happens in Cyrodiil, for one thing you duel with your friends. In Cyrodiil your friends will be on your side.

Tavore1138

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Such a boohoo, me, me, me, me, me attitude. I'd be quite happy to take dueling to a dueling area too keep the cry babies happy, it is hardly the people that want to duels fault that most mmo's don't do this, so don't try to insult us that do want to duel. But dueling is not the same as what happens in Cyrodiil, for one thing you duel with your friends. In Cyrodiil your friends will be on your side.

Grow up - you wanting stuff is OK but other people wanting stuff means you insult them? Are you 5?

Presumably you signed up to this knowing it had no dueling system and no stated plans to implement one? Now you complain about it when there are other MMOs that satisfy your need, you don't even have to leave here just play this and a game that feeds your need to duel.

And as another poster pointed out one doesn't 'duel' friends generally.

Tannakaobi

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Such a boohoo, me, me, me, me, me attitude. I'd be quite happy to take dueling to a dueling area too keep the cry babies happy, it is hardly the people that want to duels fault that most mmo's don't do this, so don't try to insult us that do want to duel. But dueling is not the same as what happens in Cyrodiil, for one thing you duel with your friends. In Cyrodiil your friends will be on your side.

Grow up - you wanting stuff is OK but other people wanting stuff means you insult them? Are you 5?

But that's my point, it's not 'wanting' stuff' it's 'not wanting' stuff. As if other people enjoying the game in some other way than you do will somehow effect your enjoyment.

and I signed up because it's Elder Scrolls, no other reason. Who would have thought, Elder Scrolls fans that may want to test their skills on their friends.

Oh and by the way, it was you that resorted to insults first with 'mental cases' as if wanting to PVP in a PVP zone is somehow mental.

Like I said, I'd be happy for them to make a dueling area, so as not to effect other people. But you are to selfish to even consider it, as stated.

Tavore1138

I think griefing players is mental, it is allowed in Cyrodiil and I am not asking for it to be banned - but I do question the mindset of someone who gets off on messing with people who are obviously trying to do solo stuff. People like this and games that enable it are the reason I have mostly been an offline player.

If you read my reply you would perhaps comprehend that my objection is very specific to allowing any form of PvP into PvE areas.

I am not keen on introducing duelling, especially if it moves the game away from its goals BUT if they feel they absolutely must give duelists a place to play then as long as it is 100% voluntary, does not offer unique powerful things not available in the main game than I would not unsub or anything.

Would be nice to see the game offer all it actually promised first though.

P.S. I did not insult you, I insulted a particular type of player who like to spoil other players. If that is what you like then yes feel free to wear that hat.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

Dueling should be in every MMO.

ZOS made a huge mistake by leaving it out.

It did not stop any QQing about nerf this or that.

Remove PVP and no need for this feature.

/thread

Preachan

Oh, I would love the chance to duel my partner.
Would be awesome. I miss this in this game.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

does not offer unique powerful things not available in the main game

But PvP is part of this game... there is nothing as a "main game" here.
What about the new PvE challenges?
PvP rewards in general?
Rewards for doing dungeons?

No reward, because not a part of the "main game"?

Tannakaobi

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I think griefing players is mental, it is allowed in Cyrodiil and I am not asking for it to be banned - but I do question the mindset of someone who gets off on messing with people who are obviously trying to do solo stuff. People like this and games that enable it are the reason I have mostly been an offline player.

If you read my reply you would perhaps comprehend that my objection is very specific to allowing any form of PvP into PvE areas.

I am not keen on introducing duelling, especially if it moves the game away from its goals BUT if they feel they absolutely must give duelists a place to play then as long as it is 100% voluntary, does not offer unique powerful things not available in the main game than I would not unsub or anything.

Would be nice to see the game offer all it actually promised first though.

Look, I don't disagree that they should prevent griefing. But the solution is not to overlook basic mmo functions.

When you say 'especially if it moves the game away from its goals', the only goals should be to please there fans with an Elder Scrolls experience.

Dueling would please so many fans it's unreal. I except that not everyone will want to do it. So there should be functions to allow people to ignore it.
I also except that having people fighting around quest givers and towns can ruin peoples immersion so there should be a fixed area.

But having an area where people can duel is not only something that would make the game better for many, many people. It's ridiculous that it would not be included in any mmo. Let alone an Elder Scrolls mmo.
For one thing, having a dueling area on the outskirts of a couple of towns would bring like minded people together and help form better PVP guilds. Which would be to the benefit of Cyrodiil.

Tavore1138

Tannakaobi wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I think griefing players is mental, it is allowed in Cyrodiil and I am not asking for it to be banned - but I do question the mindset of someone who gets off on messing with people who are obviously trying to do solo stuff. People like this and games that enable it are the reason I have mostly been an offline player.

If you read my reply you would perhaps comprehend that my objection is very specific to allowing any form of PvP into PvE areas.

I am not keen on introducing duelling, especially if it moves the game away from its goals BUT if they feel they absolutely must give duelists a place to play then as long as it is 100% voluntary, does not offer unique powerful things not available in the main game than I would not unsub or anything.

Would be nice to see the game offer all it actually promised first though.

Look, I don't disagree that they should prevent griefing. But the solution is not to overlook basic mmo functions.

When you say 'especially if it moves the game away from its goals', the only goals should be to please there fans with an Elder Scrolls experience.

Dueling would please so many fans it's unreal. I except that not everyone will want to do it. So there should be functions to allow people to ignore it.
I also except that having people fighting around quest givers and towns can ruin peoples immersion so there should be a fixed area.

But having an area where people can duel is not only something that would make the game better for many, many people. It's ridiculous that it would not be included in any mmo. Let alone an Elder Scrolls mmo.
For one thing, having a dueling area on the outskirts of a couple of towns would bring like minded people together and help form better PVP guilds. Which would be to the benefit of Cyrodiil.

You are making decent points & as long as it did not intrude on the questing aspect or provide uber drops then maybe it could work.

@Preachan‌ -One of the original promises made was that the best gear would come from crafters & crafting. Already some of the sets dropping in VR areas are clearly better than those that can be crafted, even at crafting set stations. I would like to see support for crafting maintained or it just becomes a gear hunt and people who spent time levelling those skills and playing the game that way get screwed over.

But more specifically if they add a voluntary area then giving it a unique powerful benefit effectively forces players to participate in something they may not want to do at all.

Preachan

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

But more specifically if they add a voluntary area then giving it a unique powerful benefit effectively forces players to participate in something they may not want to do at all.

That happens all the time in MMORPGs.
People have to do dungeon for gear. Or craft, no matter if they don't want to spend their points there.
They are forced to group.
Even to do PvE!

If folks don't want to do something, they don't have to. It's playing a game, for fun. If you want to do every bit of content, want to have the best gear etc., that's your decision.

Aeradon

Would love to see a spar in the city with onlookers. /sitchair

Tannakaobi

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I think griefing players is mental, it is allowed in Cyrodiil and I am not asking for it to be banned - but I do question the mindset of someone who gets off on messing with people who are obviously trying to do solo stuff. People like this and games that enable it are the reason I have mostly been an offline player.

If you read my reply you would perhaps comprehend that my objection is very specific to allowing any form of PvP into PvE areas.

I am not keen on introducing duelling, especially if it moves the game away from its goals BUT if they feel they absolutely must give duelists a place to play then as long as it is 100% voluntary, does not offer unique powerful things not available in the main game than I would not unsub or anything.

Would be nice to see the game offer all it actually promised first though.

Look, I don't disagree that they should prevent griefing. But the solution is not to overlook basic mmo functions.

When you say 'especially if it moves the game away from its goals', the only goals should be to please there fans with an Elder Scrolls experience.

Dueling would please so many fans it's unreal. I except that not everyone will want to do it. So there should be functions to allow people to ignore it.
I also except that having people fighting around quest givers and towns can ruin peoples immersion so there should be a fixed area.

But having an area where people can duel is not only something that would make the game better for many, many people. It's ridiculous that it would not be included in any mmo. Let alone an Elder Scrolls mmo.
For one thing, having a dueling area on the outskirts of a couple of towns would bring like minded people together and help form better PVP guilds. Which would be to the benefit of Cyrodiil.

You are making decent points & as long as it did not intrude on the questing aspect or provide uber drops then maybe it could work.

Fair play, and sorry if you thought I was jumping down your throat. I just get frustrated by what I sometimes consider irrational opinions on PVP.

When news first came that TES were making an mmo I'm sure everyone's eyes lit up thinking of possibilities of how this game could be. When I first heard the news my mind went instantly to how the PVP could be implemented and although I enjoy Cyrodiil I do think that overall the PVP is disappointing.

I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm not really interested in raiding. I still think it's something they should do well. If PVP and end game were as good as the questing then ESO would not be getting the bad press it is and more people would be playing.

It's the little things such as dueling, basic search functions, an auction house, or lack of, grouping, ui options that are causing the negativity. No one will agree on all these things, but simply not having them is even worse, it would be better if they could think about how they could have them, but in a way as not to effect people that don't. Like a mini map for example. I like the fact there is not one, but why not have an option? or even an on/off function.

Sometimes I think people are to quick to dismiss things.

Tavore1138

@Tannakaobi‌ - Agreed, but there is the other angle which says that ZOS have something unique in MMOs which is a large built in fan base many of whom are not veterans of online gaming. I gambled on this MMO because they said they were not just another WoW clone.

This gives them the chance to do things in a different way as they do not have to simply target all other MMOs.

I hope they can balance the addition of features for MMO vets while avoiding becoming just another MMO, which I think would put the TES section of players off. That is where my concern is, not blocking things just keeping this about being TES first and MMO second.

@Preachan‌ - Personally I hope this does not turn into just another MMORPG because everyone I have tried before has put me off playing online, so far ESO has not because I can choose to solo, to cooperate informally, to group, to PvP solo or to PvP in a big group. So far afaik gear is available to all, what drops in dungeons also drops in PvE or in PvP, where that is not true the items are nice but not more powerful than what you can get elsewhere.

In a perfect world to support crafting then dropped sets should be researchable but that is another thread.

granty2008cyb16_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno

think this is what eso is missing i would love to fight my friends that are in the same faction as me i am not going to make another character in a different faction and spend all the time leveling him/her up just to fight 2 or 3 of my friends in the other faction this is just stupid and should of been something that in the game from the start

should have it like drink a (Dual Potion or Arena Potion) what will mark an area that you and your group can fight in. smaller area for duals larger area for arena's

your friends can press E to drink potions as-well to accept the dual or arena area

i dont think this should be limited to just 2 player dual's like other mmo's i think it should for at-least up to 8 players maby limit it on the potion that you buy ie
( dual potion - 2 players) (arena potion small - 4 players ) (arena potion large -8 players) this would be a great addition to the game