Trying to understand all the complaining

Heishi

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

I think the body of complaint is the nerfs and buffs in wrong area. Currently every class is just a caster . Dress and stick spec in the end game for optimum performance. there is no doubt about it.

As for night blade they needed a fix. but its a partial one fixing everything related to class and not addressing the stamina spec. across the board this affects all classes.

As for Dk nerfs .the nerfs they made and the ones they will make affect all the Real Tanky builds. the heavy armor and stamina builds the most. Sure it brought the Light armor stave build in line. but destroyed the utility the other builds relied upon. So really it made DK specs even more useless and left us like the rest of the classes Light armor and stick.

I agree, it does strike me a bit odd that every class skill is magicka based. On the one hand it makes it more interesting because you can't really just pour all your attributes into one thing in most cases. On the other, not every class really needs to be a magicka using one, especially in the TES universe where stamina use has generally been the bigger part of things.

Heishi

As a side note, on one of my test builds now, I'm trying to see how much magicka effects a build. I have a NB that is decked out in all light and pumping attributes into magicka. I had read magicka slightly increases magic damage and stamina slightly increases weapon damage. I wanted to find out if this is true and how much difference it makes.

Erock25

Heishi wrote: »

Like the most recent Bolt Escape, which from what I understand of the ability it meant to give you enough space to keep melee of you, get out of an AoE, or other such short quick movements and keep fighting.

I used to pay attention to Insightful's and Agrees and crap like that but how are you getting them for voicing your opinion on a skill that it appears you have no experience with?

You make a thread discussing how everyone is complaining but then based your second post on second hand knowledge gained from reading all the complaining. Makes sense.

Heishi

AinGeal wrote: »

If people turned a blind eye to the game's faults, it wouldn't improve. People complain because they care, if they didn't then they would simply leave without a word. It's not hurtful, but rather helpful to complain about something. It brings it out to the open and if it really is a problem, hopefully it gets fixed.

I would say that the most hurtful are the players who, upon hearing a complaint, tell the complainer to "go back to <insert game name here>". Since the person you tell that to just might take your advice. I've seen it before where such people have said just that and those same people, a year later, are then complaining on how much of a ghost town most of the game has become.

I 100% agree that constructive criticism and feedback is very important to an MMO's growth. The problem is 90% of it isn't constructive, it's just mass bitching. People saying they can't believe Zeni ruined their class if it's not fixed in less than the time it takes to make a patch they're not renewing their sub. Like this. I pulled this from a current topic in another thread:

I can't even handle a full mob of 3 of my own vet level and now you want to take my power away? Keep doing this, and soon you can fit all ESO players into one guild.

Note the key words: Make sorcerers more fun to play. Not less fun.

WTF is Zeni even supposed to do with that? Make sorc more fun to play not less? I'm sure a great deal of sorc find it a fun class to play, even with the balanced Bolt Escape. THESE are the kind of people who usually get told to "go back to <insert game>".

I've never seen someone write a post detailing what is causing the problem and what they would like to see happen to fix the problem get told to go to another game.

Like this thread (which I referenced in an earlier comment):
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107932/bolt-escape-feedback-for-the-devs/p1

I don't agree with the OP, but it is a well written (if not a bit over the top) explanation of why they feel the change to bolt escape was wrong. Rather just making a complaint, it actually tells how it has affected him and his play style. That is a post which is useful and contains information that devs could consider useful. Not every thread topic needs to be that long but the "This is ephing stupid I can't play anymore" threads get old.

Stonesthrow

AinGeal wrote: »

If people turned a blind eye to the game's faults, it wouldn't improve. People complain because they care, if they didn't then they would simply leave without a word. It's not hurtful, but rather helpful to complain about something. It brings it out to the open and if it really is a problem, hopefully it gets fixed.

I would say that the most hurtful are the players who, upon hearing a complaint, tell the complainer to "go back to <insert game name here>". Since the person you tell that to just might take your advice. I've seen it before where such people have said just that and those same people, a year later, are then complaining on how much of a ghost town most of the game has become.

Absolutely.

There is constructive criticism and creative insight.

There are people that are mad about something and would like it fixed for the betterment of the game and/or their class and/or themselves in particular.

And then there are ***, offering nothing but eye clenched keyboard pounding spew.

2 outta 3 ain't bad.

Heishi

Erock25 wrote: »

Heishi wrote: »

Like the most recent Bolt Escape, which from what I understand of the ability it meant to give you enough space to keep melee of you, get out of an AoE, or other such short quick movements and keep fighting.

I used to pay attention to Insightful's and Agrees and crap like that but how are you getting them for voicing your opinion on a skill that it appears you have no experience with?

You make a thread discussing how everyone is complaining but then based your second post on second hand knowledge gained from reading all the complaining. Makes sense.

You are correct, I don't have knowledge of Bolt Escape specifically in practice. My entire thread isn't about that one skill for that very reason. However it doesn't take a genius to read what a skill does, watch other people using it, and piece together what its intended purpose is. If someone hands you a sword in real life, even if you've never used one, you should know it was for fighting. You're not going to take said sword and go "oh, clearly I should be using this to chop vegetables for dinner". sure, if one wanted to use a sword to cut vegetables for dinner, they certainly could, that doesn't make it the intended purpose though.

As second hand knowledge from reading complaining. If you read between lines and weed out a lot of the crap, It's not hard to discern certain points or reasons. Not to mention, I've not once said my opinion was more correct than anyone elses, and I openly admit what I have first hand knowledge of and what I'm not sure on. I do that so people can choose to accept it, look other places to verify what I said for themselves, or post back with relevant information on why something I don't understand may be wrong. You post did none of that. Just a complaint about why my opinion is wrong with nothing added. If you would like to elaborate on why something is incorrect feel free to. I love to learn and am more than willing to listen to criticism that explains why I'm wrong as long as it can be backed up.

Bromburak

Heishi wrote: »

Trying to understand all the complaining

Oh thats very simple, watch kids if they want candy and say no.