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Come Closer Vestige...
Haxer
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for I am the Prophet.
ESO is the groundhog. The entire industry is watching to see if it sees its shadow or not. If it fails, regardless of reason, it means another decade of WoW clones. Yes that game that came out in 1872, that still haunts the MMO industry to this day and forever ruined the genre by instilling that it was the model for an MMO to succeed.
Remove all community, all horizontal content, all combat from the game, and give people a tab-targeting straight vertical afk quest grind and keep moving the finish line farther back every few months, and they will love you for it for years. So much so, that it is to the point that you cannot succeed without it, and if you do not do it, they will clamor for it.
ESO has major major problems: class balance, grouping/phasing issues, PvP, complete lack of horizontal content (anything to do besides quest grind), no guild halls or viable way for guilds to meet up in game, and the list goes on. But love it or hate it, we need ESO to succeed. Not for ourselves, but for our children, and our children's children. If it fails, it won't matter why, publishers will only see that once again, a WoW clone is the only viable way to make a successful MMO, and will go back to pumping them out for another generation.
I implore you, to rally behind ESO, to not give up, and I beseech Zenimax to address these issues as quickly as possible, for the hour grows late, and there is more at stake here than you know. May Akatosh have mercy on our souls...
-Hax
Edited by Haxer on June 9, 2014 1:03PM ESO is the groundhog. The entire industry is watching to see if it sees its shadow or not. If it fails, regardless of reason, it means another decade of WoW clones. Yes that game that came out in 1872, that still haunts the MMO industry to this day and forever ruined the genre by instilling that it was the model for an MMO to succeed.
Remove all community, all horizontal content, all combat from the game, and give people a tab-targeting straight vertical afk quest grind and keep moving the finish line farther back every few months, and they will love you for it for years. So much so, that it is to the point that you cannot succeed without it, and if you do not do it, they will clamor for it.
ESO has major major problems: class balance, grouping/phasing issues, PvP, complete lack of horizontal content (anything to do besides quest grind), no guild halls or viable way for guilds to meet up in game, and the list goes on. But love it or hate it, we need ESO to succeed. Not for ourselves, but for our children, and our children's children. If it fails, it won't matter why, publishers will only see that once again, a WoW clone is the only viable way to make a successful MMO, and will go back to pumping them out for another generation.
I implore you, to rally behind ESO, to not give up, and I beseech Zenimax to address these issues as quickly as possible, for the hour grows late, and there is more at stake here than you know. May Akatosh have mercy on our souls...
-Hax
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JaJaLuka✭✭✭✭LOL love it...Krojick, DC Sorc PC NA
Milámber, EP Sorc PC NA
Brunack, EP DK PC NA
General Mark Shephard, EP Temp PC NA (Worst temp NA XD )
Krojick Nightblade, DC NB PC NA
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Necronomicon✭✭✭Gern_Verkheart wrote: »You have my sword!
And my staff, since all MMO casters are op.7 -
Haxer✭✭✭Necronomicon wrote: »Gern_Verkheart wrote: »You have my sword!
And my staff, since all MMO casters are op.
I literally lol'd at that, very clever/funny sir
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✭✭✭Considering the following WildStar has..... I think you might be on to something.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Mud_Puppy✭✭✭Gern_Verkheart wrote: »You have my sword!and my bow!Necronomicon wrote: »Gern_Verkheart wrote: »You have my sword!
And my staff, since all MMO casters are op.
Looks like you'll need my inventory space.
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daneyulebub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why was there no notification of servers being taken down early? Why is there no ETA of the servers being back up? Why is this behavior being tolerated? Why the **** did the servers get taken down early?
Why are you asking this on a completely unrelated thread???This message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your subscription to The Elder Scrolls Online. You will no longer be charged for a subscription on a recurring basis, and your access to the game will expire at the end of your current subscription cycle.
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭LOL!
Very well done... and, beneath the veiled levity (is veiled levity an actual thing?)... very true.1 -
AEnochSoul ShrivenFWIW Guild Wars 2 has been successful for some years before ESO was released, and ESO is very similar to GW2.2
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Haxer✭✭✭Why was there no notification of servers being taken down early? Why is there no ETA of the servers being back up? Why is this behavior being tolerated? Why the **** did the servers get taken down early?
This is unrelated to this thread. Please take that somewhere else.
We have more important things to worry about than your precious servers.www.dragontears.boards.net2 -
Gedalya✭✭✭✭✭Yes that game that came out in 1872, that still haunts the MMO industry to this day and forever ruined the genre by instilling that it was the model for an MMO to succeed.
Stopped reading after ripping on WoW.Edited by Gedalya on June 9, 2014 1:54PM6 -
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Your loss, the prophecy is still true, regardless of our willingness to believe.www.dragontears.boards.net6 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭Why was there no notification of servers being taken down early? Why is there no ETA of the servers being back up? Why is this behavior being tolerated? Why the **** did the servers get taken down early?
This is unrelated to this thread. Please take that somewhere else.
We have more important things to worry about than your precious servers.
Yes.... like who is going to carry my inventory bags to Coldharbour.0 -
daneyulebub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭for I am the Prophet.
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I implore you, to rally behind ESO, to not give up, and I beseech Zenimax to address these issues as quickly as possible, for the hour grows late, and there is more at stake here than you know. May Akatosh have mercy on our souls...
-Hax
Yeah!!
I feel like its Independence Day, and I've just listened to President Bill Pullman.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!
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Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭Ah, nothing to worry here. Wether ESO dominates, goes the FTP route or away, the industry won't care. Rather have your fingers crossed for all the Indy titles, as that's how innovation enters the mainstream, though often in perverted ways, mind you."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"0 -
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✭Nazon_Katts wrote: »Ah, nothing to worry here. Wether ESO dominates, goes the FTP route or away, the industry won't care. Rather have your fingers crossed for all the Indy titles, as that's how innovation enters the mainstream, though often in perverted ways, mind you.
Disagree. Mounting an Indy MMO is tough to say the least. And the industry WILL care how a major MMO that costs lots to make, has been hotly anticipated for years, and does a substantial number of non-standard things, fares. I think they will care a great deal, in fact.Edited by daneyulebub17_ESO on June 9, 2014 3:55PMThis message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your subscription to The Elder Scrolls Online. You will no longer be charged for a subscription on a recurring basis, and your access to the game will expire at the end of your current subscription cycle.
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hk11✭✭✭✭I have no problem with WoW clones, as long as they are full featured, fleshed out games. What better system to clone? It has something for every player from the casual to the powergamer. Considering that it "cloned" EQ and added upon it countless features and has players that have been in their game for 9 years I would say it is probably the industry leader. I feel like any game that doesn't include the core of its features doesn't live up to standards. Some MMOs try to "not be like wow". That's sort of like trying to put square wheels on a car to "not be like Ford".
Rift is a clone, and a decent game, but it didn't work out as planned somehow.
Wildstar is a clone, and my experience has been positive so far. I have no idea how the devs got so many features into the game and have it all working at launch. I guess experience, but whatever it is kudos.
People dump on the cartoony graphics. But cartoony graphics have longevity. How would WoW look today if it had used the "realistic" graphics available at it's release?Edited by hk11 on June 9, 2014 4:03PM4 -
Haxer✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Nazon_Katts wrote: »Ah, nothing to worry here. Wether ESO dominates, goes the FTP route or away, the industry won't care. Rather have your fingers crossed for all the Indy titles, as that's how innovation enters the mainstream, though often in perverted ways, mind you.
Disagree. Mounting an Indy MMO is tough to say the least. And the industry WILL care how a major MMO that costs lots to make, has been hotly anticipated for years, and does a substantial number of non-standard things, fares. I think they will care a great deal, in fact.
You are correct sir. With MMOrpgs in particular, it matters very much.
When MMOrpg's deviate from the one-mmo to rule them all, and fail, it only encourages developers to continue the same trend. WoW was great 10 years ago, and we accepted it willingly, but we were all of us deceived, for in the fires of Mount Blizzard a rule was formed. The game was so successful, too successful, that it would bind the industry to its will (and model) preventing any significant innovation or progress for years and years.
All other gaming genre's have progressed, with all our technology and internet innovations, MMOrpg's have pretty much stayed the same, for too long.
They need to know we are ready (by the gods are we ever so ready) for something different. ESO must endure.www.dragontears.boards.net1 -
Gern_Verkheart✭✭✭✭I have no problem with WoW clones, as long as they are full featured, fleshed out games. What better system to clone? It has something for every player from the casual to the powergamer. Considering that it "cloned" EQ and added upon it countless features and has players that have been in their game for 9 years I would say it is probably the industry leader. I feel like any game that doesn't include the core of its features doesn't live up to standards. Some MMOs try to "not be like wow". That's sort of like trying to put square wheels on a car to "not be like Ford".
Rift is a clone, and a decent game, but it didn't work out as planned somehow.
Wildstar is a clone, and my experience has been positive so far. I have no idea how the devs got so many features into the game and have it all working at launch. I guess experience, but whatever it is kudos.
People dump on the cartoony graphics. But cartoony graphics have longevity. How would WoW look today if it had used the "realistic" graphics available at it's release?
Go play WoW then. Most of us are here because we don't want to play more WoW clones.
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Remove all community, all horizontal content, all combat from the game, and give people a tab-targeting straight vertical afk quest grind and keep moving the finish line farther back every few months, and they will love you for it for years. So much so, that it is to the point that you cannot succeed without it, and if you do not do it, they will clamor for it.
I agree with most of your points to a degree, save for this one. MMO's need to maintain appearances for the sake of believability - people want to play a game, even if it isn't all that much fun, MMO's need to appear to be something people will enjoy.
Also, these days - Community involves epeen measurements, and some manner of arena in which achievement / number grinders can attempt to bludgeon each other into submission with their respective epeens.
There's a joke somewhere in here about Molag Bal... Molag Balls? Molagsticles?
Eh, i'm too lazy :P1 -
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Remove all community, all horizontal content, all combat from the game, and give people a tab-targeting straight vertical afk quest grind and keep moving the finish line farther back every few months, and they will love you for it for years. So much so, that it is to the point that you cannot succeed without it, and if you do not do it, they will clamor for it.
That's true. But that's all ESO offers. A questing treadmill. When you get to the end you just unsub I guess? There is crafting which is outclassed by lvl15/vr1 drops, and Cyrodil which is sort of mess really.
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Haxer✭✭✭danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »
Remove all community, all horizontal content, all combat from the game, and give people a tab-targeting straight vertical afk quest grind and keep moving the finish line farther back every few months, and they will love you for it for years. So much so, that it is to the point that you cannot succeed without it, and if you do not do it, they will clamor for it.
I agree with most of your points to a degree, save for this one. MMO's need to maintain appearances for the sake of believability - people want to play a game, even if it isn't all that much fun, MMO's need to appear to be something people will enjoy.
Also, these days - Community involves epeen measurements, and some manner of arena in which achievement / number grinders can attempt to bludgeon each other into submission with their respective epeens.
There's a joke somewhere in here about Molag Bal... Molag Balls? Molagsticles?
Eh, i'm too lazy :P
Haha I think maybe there was a communication disconnect there, as I'm not sure what point you disagree with. What I'm saying in the quoted text is that rather than change the formula, we have had a lot of MMOrpg's that followed those steps in order to try and be successful. And the result is that we got a lot of the same thing, for a very long time. Stagnation in the mmorpg genre.
I'm not saying they should do that, I'm saying the opposite.www.dragontears.boards.net0 -
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I agree, and that's something they need to change REAL fast by offering more content, things to do, all throughout the game (housing, solve grouping issues, guild functions, more crafting options) rather than just add X more VR levels and a new area to the end of the road.That's true. But that's all ESO offers. A questing treadmill. When you get to the end you just unsub I guess?
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