Dk's dropping down to a useless class thanks for the nerfs

un_ahri

I have almost same thinking with Monkeymystic. Here is the link:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106429/dks-once-again-get-4th-nerfhammer-rip-non-staff-non-light-armor-dks-will-be-useless-reroll-sorc

DKs with staff and 7/7 light armor do deal a lot DPS before nerf, and make people believe this is how "all DKs do it", when its not.

And all people think NightBlade & Templar deals less DPS comparing with DK & Sorc, when its not. Some of my NB & Templar friends also can do 600~800 dps while I am doing the same DPS with Molten Whip build.

Molten Whip build
Unstable flame
engulfing flame
molten whip
spell symmetry
inner light

As far as I know, those who can't do Above-500 DPS mostly are using weapon skills such as bow, dual wield skills as main Dps skills, when we all know that class skill doing better job on dps than weapon skills.

let's see how DK got nerfed into pieces.

Ardent Flame
-- Ult
---Standard of Might: Reduced the damage bonus and damage reduction of this ability.(From 35% to 20%)
---Shifting Standard: The ult points you gained will be disappeared after you move the standard to a new location.

-- Inferno
---the magicka recovery will be locked to 0 while its activated.

-- Molten whip
---slightly increased the post global cooldown.(And there is no announcement about it.)

Dragonic power
-- Ult
--- USELESS

-- Inhale
--- Useless after nerfed.

-- Talon
--- nerfed twice. It says

This ability no longer cost magicka if no enemy got damaged.

but it will cost 2X magicka if there is a enemy affected by Talon

-- Others?
--- simply Tank based skills, and it's quite useless.

Earthen Heart
-- Ult
--- I have to say its still very useful after nerf.

-- Others
--- useless.

What I have to say is the Earthen Heart skill line is totally useless except ult. Molten weapons & Obsidian Shield can only BUFF 4 allies, including yourself where trials have 12 members. And most important problem is that it will buff one ally twice.

Balance is good, but its important to not continue breaking a class completely piece by piece until there are no roles left to fill for that class.

Mephos

The Dragonknight is still a bit stronger than intended, and we’ll be making some small changes over time to the class. Our intent—no matter what you read on the internet—is not to nerf DKs into Oblivion (so to speak), but to continue tweaking them until they are in line with the survivability of the other classes.

CONTINUE tweaking! .. yeah, thats when you get used to being OP all the time. every nerf that makes you more balanced (normal) makes you feel like you got cut off a leg.

more nerfs inc.. have fun.

crislevin

can't believe the whining since an OP class was nerfed from 1000% OP to 800% OP, and now is BUFFED again in 1.2.

un_ahri

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crislevin wrote: »

can't believe the whining since an OP class was nerfed from 1000% OP to 800% OP, and now is BUFFED again in 1.2.

I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
your discussion is totally a joke. you said you have a lvl39 dk and you have no idea about VR-DK

Lady_D

Lets see.. I played my Nightblade until I realized it was weak. Then I played my Templar till they nerfed it. Then I played my DK until ZOS nerfed it. I can hardly wait till they nerf my Sorceror down to the quick............

un_ahri

Lady_D wrote: »

Lets see.. I played my Nightblade until I realized it was weak. Then I played my Templar till they nerfed it. Then I played my DK until ZOS nerfed it. I can hardly wait till they nerf my Sorceror down to the quick............

hahha. what a sad story. you have to keep on focusing one class!!

nerevarine1138

Lady_D wrote: »

Lets see.. I played my Nightblade until I realized it was weak. Then I played my Templar till they nerfed it. Then I played my DK until ZOS nerfed it. I can hardly wait till they nerf my Sorceror down to the quick............

So you only play classes that are so overtuned that they can solo 12-man content?

Maybe this isn't the game for you...

gladen5rwb17_ESO

Sick and tired of these threads.

Baphomet

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

un_ahri

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

thats basically what i think now. cuz many of my NB & TEMPLAR friends also deals great dps

Unsanctified

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

So the thinking then is that DKs weren't OP at all, it's just that everyone else sucks at the game and doesn't know how to play their class?

Szx

xD gj at ure nightblades 600dps is around auto attack dps

un_ahri

Unsanctified wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

So the thinking then is that DKs weren't OP at all, it's just that everyone else sucks at the game and doesn't know how to play their class?

you totally misunderstood what we are talking about.

YES ! DK was too OP when it was still gaining 3 ult. But for 1 ult points ? not at all for now. what we are talking about is nerf too much on DK.

I've seen so many NB & Templar complaining about they can't do over 500 DPS but the fact is many of my friends do.

Nickhead420

un_ahri wrote: »

I have almost same thinking with Monkeymystic. Here is the link:

Why didn't you just post in that tread instead of creating a new one?

un_ahri

Unsanctified wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

So the thinking then is that DKs weren't OP at all, it's just that everyone else sucks at the game and doesn't know how to play their class?

it's now not only balancing (or nerf) DK to have same level with Templar & NB, but EVEN worse.

BTW, socr is now the top level class for both PVP & PVE. waiting for nerf.

Baphomet

Just had a guild mate talking about pulling 2000 single target DPS on his VR12 nightblade.

Unsanctified

un_ahri wrote: »

Unsanctified wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

So the thinking then is that DKs weren't OP at all, it's just that everyone else sucks at the game and doesn't know how to play their class?

you totally misunderstood what we are talking about.

YES ! DK was too OP when it was still gaining 3 ult. But for 1 ult points ? not at all for now. what we are talking about is nerf too much on DK.

I've seen so many NB & Templar complaining about they can't do over 500 DPS but the fact is many of my friends do.

The guy blamed all DK nerfs on others not being skilled, then called them a bunch of women (? ok...) because they raised concerns. How did I misunderstand?

I fail to see the appeal in simply walking through content then complaining when you can't do it as easily anymore, even though you can see firsthand that others are struggling with the things you can do easily. Your NB and Temp friends, I would be willing to bet, are only able to accomplish good DPS by using only "specific builds." Seems a bit antithetical to the notion of "play the way you want."

Wifeaggro13

un_ahri wrote: »

I have almost same thinking with Monkeymystic. Here is the link:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106429/dks-once-again-get-4th-nerfhammer-rip-non-staff-non-light-armor-dks-will-be-useless-reroll-sorc

DKs with staff and 7/7 light armor do deal a lot DPS before nerf, and make people believe this is how "all DKs do it", when its not.

And all people think NightBlade & Templar deals less DPS comparing with DK & Sorc, when its not. Some of my NB & Templar friends also can do 600~800 dps while I am doing the same DPS with Molten Whip build.

Molten Whip build
Unstable flame
engulfing flame
molten whip
spell symmetry
inner light

As far as I know, those who can't do Above-500 DPS mostly are using weapon skills such as bow, dual wield skills as main Dps skills, when we all know that class skill doing better job on dps than weapon skills.

let's see how DK got nerfed into pieces.

Ardent Flame
-- Ult
---Standard of Might: Reduced the damage bonus and damage reduction of this ability.(From 35% to 20%)
---Shifting Standard: The ult points you gained will be disappeared after you move the standard to a new location.

-- Inferno
---the magicka recovery will be locked to 0 while its activated.

-- Molten whip
---slightly increased the post global cooldown.(And there is no announcement about it.)

Dragonic power
-- Ult
--- USELESS

-- Inhale
--- Useless after nerfed.

-- Talon
--- nerfed twice. It says

This ability no longer cost magicka if no enemy got damaged.

but it will cost 2X magicka if there is a enemy affected by Talon

-- Others?
--- simply Tank based skills, and it's quite useless.

Earthen Heart
-- Ult
--- I have to say its still very useful after nerf.

-- Others
--- useless.

What I have to say is the Earthen Heart skill line is totally useless except ult. Molten weapons & Obsidian Shield can only BUFF 4 allies, including yourself where trials have 12 members. And most important problem is that it will buff one ally twice.

Balance is good, but its important to not continue breaking a class completely piece by piece until there are no roles left to fill for that class.

they are doing a stellar job post launch. soon the only active subs will be sorc's now.welcome to Sorcerer scrolls online.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

I actually think DK's have had enough nerfs (for reference I only play a NB). I think what they need to take a better look at (by that I mean nerf) are the light armor and staves.

Also, please stop crying about DK's being bad/uselss/etc... because the fact is that they're still the strongest class.

I just think that the other classes need tweaks/fixes so that they can be up to par with them.

Also, your argument is stupid because even if we were pulling the same DPS that shouldn't be the case. Dk's are tanky. The tankiest class should not be matching the dps of the dps squishy classes.

marchiggs_707b16_ESO

my DK kicks arse learn to play the game and stop qqing this game requires some lvl of skill if ya want to buttonbash go play WOW or one of the other cookie cutter generic mmos out there that hold ya hand and hand everything to you on a plate.

Baphomet

Also, your argument is stupid because even if we were pulling the same DPS that shouldn't be the case. Dk's were tanky. The tankiest class should not be matching the dps of the dps squishy classes.

Fixed

(Sword n' board builds are tanky. The DK class makes little difference anymore)

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

seaef

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Lady_D wrote: »

Lets see.. I played my Nightblade until I realized it was weak. Then I played my Templar till they nerfed it. Then I played my DK until ZOS nerfed it. I can hardly wait till they nerf my Sorceror down to the quick............

So you only play classes that are so overtuned that they can solo 12-man content?

Yeah, @Lady_D is clearly in need of an ego nerf. It's a byproduct of children born in the 80's and 90's who were told they have a right to be good at everything even they're not good at everything.

I have two of them on my weekend basketball team. Constantly picking them up when they get hit in the head with the ball or tripping on their own feet.

"Come on Bob, you can do it!" *thwonk* /facepalm

EDIT: youtu.be/VLuBA66xc0c I wouldn't watch this is you're easily offended.

un_ahri

Nickhead420 wrote: »

un_ahri wrote: »

I have almost same thinking with Monkeymystic. Here is the link:

Why didn't you just post in that tread instead of creating a new one?

Unsanctified wrote: »

un_ahri wrote: »

Unsanctified wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

DKs basicly were nerfed because a lot of people weren't skilled enough to combat their mechanics. They then took their frustration to the forums where they let their estrogen flow freely - and here we are.

Granted, some changes were warranted by Zenimax went completely overkill with the nerfs.

So the thinking then is that DKs weren't OP at all, it's just that everyone else sucks at the game and doesn't know how to play their class?

you totally misunderstood what we are talking about.

YES ! DK was too OP when it was still gaining 3 ult. But for 1 ult points ? not at all for now. what we are talking about is nerf too much on DK.

I've seen so many NB & Templar complaining about they can't do over 500 DPS but the fact is many of my friends do.

The guy blamed all DK nerfs on others not being skilled, then called them a bunch of women (? ok...) because they raised concerns. How did I misunderstand?

I fail to see the appeal in simply walking through content then complaining when you can't do it as easily anymore, even though you can see firsthand that others are struggling with the things you can do easily. Your NB and Temp friends, I would be willing to bet, are only able to accomplish good DPS by using only "specific builds." Seems a bit antithetical to the notion of "play the way you want."

"play the way you want." that's why i play The Elder scroll . HOWEVER, it's not right for ESO.
I do Hate how Zenimax deal with class skill & weapon skills. cause we can not see the "play the way you want.".

and meanwhile,

Your NB and Temp friends, I would be willing to bet, are only able to accomplish good DPS by using only "specific builds." Seems a bit antithetical to the notion of "play the way you want."

? DK is using "specific build" too to get higher dps.

stungateb14_ESO

you people that continually argue dk's were/are overtuned and templars and knightblades underpowered are so out of touch with reality its frustrating enough then to top it off you have a clueless developer failing to address the real issue and people wonder why ESO is already in the bargain bin at amazon,gamestop,walmart etc etc,

The offer still stands if you want to see how weak a dk s/b tank is with his full epic 5 piece pact set and 3 piece vampiric kiss whisper me in game and ill let you play him hurry though only 5 days left till sub runs out.

Wifeaggro13

crislevin wrote: »

can't believe the whining since an OP class was nerfed from 1000% OP to 800% OP, and now is BUFFED again in 1.2.

the problem kris is they are nerfing the wrong things. DK tanks were meant to have survive ability, its very F ing clear this development team has no idea how any of this affects the end game process , its very clear they just intend to leave the game completely caster centric and do nothing to fix the core issues. thier answer to fixing the DK was to nerf the class not the things creating the over power build. which makes all the otehr builds around the DK utterly F ing useless. DK tanks that actualy played the class as a high Survivability low DPS build class have no god damn utility now. we are now forced to using the stupid Previously OP build of light armor rest destro staff AOE build with a taunt. we are now casters with a taunt that has had the DPs reduced and utility gutted. Granted the DPs needed to be reduced.
Its very clear they have no handle on their end game and they fully intend all VR content to be a AOE fest with zero skill just large AOE damage and heals. This is why you dont rely on Game directors that have a wealth of knowledge on PVP development and zero expierence with rich indepth PVE mechanics. I am no game developer but there is a massive difference in end game PVE balance and mechanics from designers that do have that knowledge. Scott Hartsman and Craig morrison come to mind , i dont know what the hell this game or what direction they are taking it . but its end game PVE is pretty damn bad right now and getting worse with all the wrong nerfs , they wont even acknowlledge the Screwed up state of melee and the Amror passives in their road ahead when 99% of the community see's it clear as day.

psufan5

They are still the most OP class by a long shot, in this game. Period. A good DK will never lose a 1v1, or even a 3v1 in PVP unless its against another DK.

They are way overboard, and there is no answer to them. You can't attack them from range due to reflect, and you SURELY cant attack them in melee range. So what do you do? You need 5+ people to kill them. This is the very definition of OP, sorry.

Wifeaggro13

psufan5 wrote: »

They are still the most OP class by a long shot, in this game. Period. A good DK will never lose a 1v1, or even a 3v1 in PVP unless its against another DK.

They are way overboard, and there is no answer to them. You can't attack them from range due to reflect, and you SURELY cant attack them in melee range. So what do you do? You need 5+ people to kill them. This is the very definition of OP, sorry.

In what? PVP.... PVE not even that light armor build is soloing group content. and any DK in heavy in end game PVE has had his utility gutted. People like you see people killing four mobs in a VR quest zone and wet their pants because you still have not figured out how to play your class. unless your a NB then not a thing is going to fix you but an across the board melee revamp and armor passive fix.

Prospero_ESO

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Also, please stop crying about DK's being bad/uselss/etc... because the fact is that they're still the strongest class.

Fact is that Sorcs were the strongest and also the most flexible class in eso, hands down. The DK was far over the top for some time only because the vampire exploits provided the greatest synergy.

DeLindsay

Yet another DK crying thread about how his/her OP character is getting "nerfed into the ground" when it's STILL superior to the other 3 classes even AFTER the class balances.

drackonir

DeLindsay wrote: »

Yet another DK crying thread about how his/her OP character is getting "nerfed into the ground" when it's STILL superior to the other 3 classes even AFTER the class balances.

Yet another person who has no bloody clue what he is talking about but he feels like adding his own 3 cents