Guess the only class that doesn't think BE needs a nerf???

maxilaub17_ESO

I PvP every single day, I'm in a large PvP guild and I run with many big groups, there is ONLY one class that defends Bolt Escape; guess who... SORC's!

Fix BE please, as a DK, the standard was OP the way it was used in coordinated groups, I knew a nerf was only a matter of time and didn't get upset about it. BE in the current form is disgusting in PvP, single sorcs bolting through groups of 50+ doing damage and stuns, Sorcs bolting to attack and bolting back to safety endlessly, or if near a keep or resources bolting to lay mercs, then bolting to the mercs for cover and back to attack at will.

Bolt Esacpe in PvP:

1. it is the fastest and best instant movement in the game and...
2. It does High damage
3. it stuns
4. it is spammable almost forever

Suggestions it becomes only an escape ability, does no damage or stun, and keeps its current spam-ability and resource cost.

OR

It keeps the damage and stun aspect and costs 50% - 100% more magicka each time it is used in succession within a 3 second period.

Erock25

@maxilaub17_ESO‌

Well a couple of things to completely destroy your whole post.

1.) If you allow a single sorc to bolt through 50+ of you there is some serious L2P issues considering bolt escape will only ever damage and stun/disorient 6 people per cast. This leads me to believe you are just making up your entire post.
2.) You can either have the stun with spell projectile protection with 0 damage or you have a disorient with very minor damage. It is odd you complain about the stun and how a Sorc can bolt through 50+ people (impossible anyway but doubly impossible without the spell projectile protection) and also complain about the damage. These two things are mutually exclusive so please get your facts straight.
3.)The dmg morph for Bolt Escape does around 250 dmg with softcapped magicka.
4.)The cost is comparable to Green Dragon Blood cast for the DK, which I am told over and over again is a huge magicka hog, but these same people then claim Bolt Escape is spammable.

maxilaub17_ESO

Erock25 wrote: »

@maxilaub17_ESO‌

Well a couple of things to completely destroy your whole post.

1.) If you allow a single sorc to bolt through 50+ of you there is some serious L2P issues considering bolt escape will only ever damage and stun/disorient 6 people per cast. This leads me to believe you are just making up your entire post.
2.) You can either have the stun with spell projectile protection with 0 damage or you have a disorient with very minor damage. It is odd you complain about the stun and how a Sorc can bolt through 50+ people (impossible anyway but doubly impossible without the spell projectile protection) and also complain about the damage. These two things are mutually exclusive so please get your facts straight.
3.)The dmg morph for Bolt Escape does around 250 dmg with softcapped magicka.
4.)The cost is comparable to Green Dragon Blood cast for the DK, which I am told over and over again is a huge magicka hog, but these same people then claim Bolt Escape is spammable.

Either you need to do actual PvP OR Stop Lying!

I'm not sure if you are lacking experience in PvP, or simply making crap up on purpose?

Bolt Escape: Base ability teleports and stuns (2 seconds), Streak Morph: ADDS damage and disorient enemies in front of you!!!

Feel free to use one of the many skill calculators to verify, such as: http://esohead.com/calculator/skills

Erock25

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

@maxilaub17_ESO‌

Well a couple of things to completely destroy your whole post.

1.) If you allow a single sorc to bolt through 50+ of you there is some serious L2P issues considering bolt escape will only ever damage and stun/disorient 6 people per cast. This leads me to believe you are just making up your entire post.
2.) You can either have the stun with spell projectile protection with 0 damage or you have a disorient with very minor damage. It is odd you complain about the stun and how a Sorc can bolt through 50+ people (impossible anyway but doubly impossible without the spell projectile protection) and also complain about the damage. These two things are mutually exclusive so please get your facts straight.
3.)The dmg morph for Bolt Escape does around 250 dmg with softcapped magicka.
4.)The cost is comparable to Green Dragon Blood cast for the DK, which I am told over and over again is a huge magicka hog, but these same people then claim Bolt Escape is spammable.

Either you need to do actual PvP OR Stop Lying!

I'm not sure if you are lacking experience in PvP or simply making crap up?

You probably should have said what was wrong about my post so I could refute it. Everything I said is 100% true.

Jim_McMasterub17_ESO

What's that? the Whhaaaaambulance!

Strigoimare

I understand the frustration of not being able to kill the Sorc when you think you should, but it is DEFINITELY not spammable (especially if you want to do anything after Bolting) and it is not a huge damage dealer.

It is a class-defining ability, but I don't think it is a huge problem. For organized groups, even less so.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Erock25 wrote: »

@maxilaub17_ESO‌

Well a couple of things to completely destroy your whole post.

1.) If you allow a single sorc to bolt through 50+ of you there is some serious L2P issues considering bolt escape will only ever damage and stun/disorient 6 people per cast. This leads me to believe you are just making up your entire post.
2.) You can either have the stun with spell projectile protection with 0 damage or you have a disorient with very minor damage. It is odd you complain about the stun and how a Sorc can bolt through 50+ people (impossible anyway but doubly impossible without the spell projectile protection) and also complain about the damage. These two things are mutually exclusive so please get your facts straight.
3.)The dmg morph for Bolt Escape does around 250 dmg with softcapped magicka.
4.)The cost is comparable to Green Dragon Blood cast for the DK, which I am told over and over again is a huge magicka hog, but these same people then claim Bolt Escape is spammable.

That's not a "couple". Just sayin

Ragekniv

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

OP Sorcs and DKs, your time has come!

Erock25

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

@maxilaub17_ESO‌

Well a couple of things to completely destroy your whole post.

1.) If you allow a single sorc to bolt through 50+ of you there is some serious L2P issues considering bolt escape will only ever damage and stun/disorient 6 people per cast. This leads me to believe you are just making up your entire post.
2.) You can either have the stun with spell projectile protection with 0 damage or you have a disorient with very minor damage. It is odd you complain about the stun and how a Sorc can bolt through 50+ people (impossible anyway but doubly impossible without the spell projectile protection) and also complain about the damage. These two things are mutually exclusive so please get your facts straight.
3.)The dmg morph for Bolt Escape does around 250 dmg with softcapped magicka.
4.)The cost is comparable to Green Dragon Blood cast for the DK, which I am told over and over again is a huge magicka hog, but these same people then claim Bolt Escape is spammable.

Either you need to do actual PvP OR Stop Lying!

I'm not sure if you are lacking experience in PvP, or simply making crap up on purpose?

Bolt Escape: Base ability teleports and stuns (2 seconds), Streak Morph: ADDS damage and disorient enemies in front of you!!!

Feel free to use one of the many skill calculators to verify, such as: http://esohead.com/calculator/skills

Well you edited your post but you are still failing miserably. Yes Streak morph ADDS damage but it trades stun for disorient. Even ESOHead doesn't use the word ADD in their description. The fact that you're getting hung up on something so simple and even your 'backup sources' are proving you wrong just proves that you have no idea what you're talking about and that your input to the direction of this game should be completely ignored.

jdoe

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

as a DK, the standard was OP the way it was used in coordinated groups, I knew a nerf was only a matter of time and didn't get upset about it.

are you literally saying,

"IT'S SO UNFAIR SORCs HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN AWAY FROM MY OP DAMAGE."

babylon

Ragekniv wrote: »

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

OP Sorcs and DKs, your time has come!

My sorc isn't OP - I have to work hard to stay alive in vet areas.

What you're wanting here is to wreck the game so everyone has a terrible time at vet levels, just so you feel better about how you feel you've been mistreated all this time.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

c0rp

OR..you could L2P and BLOCK if you are getting attacked with bolt escape?? Just a thought.

Welid

Leave Sorc alone unless you want to annoy more player base. People don't like change, specially when they've spend endless hours trying to figure out a build that works for them. The answer is to boost the classes that feel under powered i.e Templar and NB. This way everyone is happy.

Ragekniv

babylon wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

OP Sorcs and DKs, your time has come!

My sorc isn't OP - I have to work hard to stay alive in vet areas.

What you're wanting here is to wreck the game so everyone has a terrible time at vet levels, just so you feel better about how you feel you've been mistreated all this time.

Please OP Sorcs and DKs, shed more meaningless tears of woe to the delight of broken NBs and Templars.

Your FOTM lasted three months too long while broken NBs and Templars had to endure your rancid L2P rants and insensitivity to Zenimax's nerfing.

You didn't care to help us then and now you get to enjoy class balance by the negative of nerfing.

Welcome to the party!

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Censorious

Does high damage?

Do you actually know how much damage it does?
Bolt escape itself does zero damage.
The 'Ball of lightning' morph also does zero damage.
'Streak' morph will give you a mild headache at 250 damage. You would need to be hit 10 times to be killed.

A sorcerer will probably have enough Magicka for between 5 and 10 blinks from full, depending on his build.

Stop being such a cry baby and L2P.

SinisterJoint

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

I PvP every single day, I'm in a large PvP guild and I run with many big groups, there is ONLY one class that defends Bolt Escape; guess who... SORC's!

I'm a sorc and I think it should be nerfed...increased magika cost please

Ragekniv

If you bother to see my posts, you will realize that I have advocated for player base community solidarity from the point that Zenimax ninja nerfed as a precedent which should have alarmed all players.

I would much prefer that Zenimax had been pro-active and not resorted to balance in the negative by nerfing.

I am a VR6 Templar who is still paying the subscription fee, obviously I'm committed to hoping that Zenimax will balance the classes and resolve game related content issues.

Be happy that you were able to face roll VR content and enjoy Craglorn Trials while broken NBs and Templars were left kicking rocks on the edge of the ESO sandbox.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

babylon

Ragekniv wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

OP Sorcs and DKs, your time has come!

My sorc isn't OP - I have to work hard to stay alive in vet areas.

What you're wanting here is to wreck the game so everyone has a terrible time at vet levels, just so you feel better about how you feel you've been mistreated all this time.

You need to stop talking.

Another OP and their delicious tears.

Please, shed more meaningless tears of woe to the delight of broken NBs and Templars.

You didn't care to help us and now you get to enjoy class balance by the negative of nerfing.

Welcome to the party!

I'm not shedding tears, I'm saying you're a terrible person for wanting to wreck the game. Just because you're butthurt doesn't make it right to go on a rampage of hate trying to destroy everybody else's gameplay.

Wouldn't give you another moment's thought, but you need to be TOLD.

If you bother to see my posts, you will realize that I have advocated for player base community solidarity from the point that Zenimax ninja nerfed as a precedent which should have alarmed all players.

I would much prefer that Zenimax had been pro-active and not resorted to balance in the negative by nerfing.

I am a VR6 Templar who is still paying the subscription fee, obviously I'm committed to hoping that Zenimax will balance the classes and resolve game related content issues.

Be happy that you were able to face roll VR content and enjoy Craglorn Trials while broken NBs and Templars were left kicking rocks on the edge of the ESO sandbox.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Guess what - I also advocated buffing Templars and NightBlades, so you're attacking the wrong person.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Lady_D

Personally, I am against the "nerfing" of any class in the game. Instead of breaking a viable class, ZOS should be fixing and buffing the weaker classes IMO. (I have characters in all classes)

Asava

Any changes made to BE will need to be compensated. Increase the magicka cost or put it on stam is fine but you would have to double the range to 30m to make it a useable escape tool. Or double the armor that light gives you so that a sorc can wade into combat like the other classes and not get 2 shot. Anything other than that then the class would have no place in Cyro.

babylon

Yep, ignoring you from now on Ragekniv, and will report your posts as well.

Liquid_Time

Don't assume only the Sorc will defend the BE... I have no trouble with it. Annoying yes, but not to the point that I cannot counter it.

If mobility is a concern and how quickly they can retreat.. Fight a NB that is focused on mobility and stealth. We can be equally effective in the ability to attack then flee and hide very quickly. If not easier then the Sorc at times since we don't have a blue ball pointing to where we went.

The statement regarding bolting into a group of 50+ seems to be a little bit of an exaggeration on your part. If that many people cannot hit a Sorc a few times then that is simply sad.
- Sorry, but true.

The placement of merc(s)..
Not much to say here since there is a delay on when they are placed, so if a Sorc bolts in and is able to place multiples then flee... again not cool that you cannot counter that.

Overall I feel you need help on how to fight the annoying BE more so then it being over powered. Sounds as if even if they do "nerf" it you are going to have trouble with some common skills required in PvP.

This post is not intended to insult you, but rather call out what I feel seems to be the problem. If I have misunderstood and commented on anything incorrectly.. Feel free to correct me. This is my opinion, so feel free to simply ignore it as well.

NerfEverything

Maybe BE will get a stealth 2 second GLOBAL cooldown nerf like templars did.

There would be a lot of LOLs when that went live without any patch notes on it. You cast BE, end up a couple feet away, and then can't do anything for 2 seconds.

Halrloprillalar

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

Bolt Esacpe in PvP:

2. It does High damage

Invalidates your entire post.

ZOS_PierreL

Hey everyone.

Please keep the conversation on-topic and constructive. It's okay to disagree, but personal attacks are never acceptable on the forums.

If this thread doesn't go back in a good way, we will close it.

Thanks.

ErilAq

my main is a NB and I think bolt escape is fine. the damage is really quite laughable, and as was said before, the focus on stealth and mobility by Nb's can easily counter BE. I am by no means a "pro " pvper either, I just don't have an inflated ego that needs an excuse when I lose a match or someone gets away from me.

JosephChip

Strigoimare wrote: »

it is DEFINITELY not spammable

Please, I have heard stupid things but this is just unrealistic. BE is extremely spammable. Sorcerers use it to travel in Cyrodiil.

wrlifeboil

Easily fixable by increasing the magicka cost. That it hasn't been done already means that BE is working as intended.

Maybe the devs play sorcs in pvp? <gd&r>

temjiu

The whole nerf vs. buff argument is irrelevant. said it in another post, ill say it here:

all MMO's work against a threshold for class performance. if your above that threshold, and they buff everyone to your level, then the game is broken (everything is too easy).

If you are below that threshold, then if they bring everyone down to your level then the game is broken (classes can't survive at all).

If you can still survive the game, and finish VR content relatively smoothly, then you are still above the threshold. please do not try to obfuscate the issue...there are classes and weapon types that are so far below the threshold, it's not even funny. we won't even KNOW if the changes they've made are enough until everyone is brought equal. and it can't always be a buff, otherwise the game breaks.

Nerf vs. buff is arbitrary until everyone is on the same page.

crislevin

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

Bolt Esacpe in PvP:

1. it is the fastest and best instant movement in the game and...
2. It does High damage
3. it stuns
4. it is spammable almost forever

complete rubbish.

1. DK's instant pull, NB's teleport attack both hit instantly, and actually does great damage.
2. It does 200-300 damage, thats "high"? where did you pull your number from?
3. so? DK's stone fist instant stun for 3 seconds, completely spammable.
4. it costs 300-400 magicka, you try save 1k magicka during combat to run away using BE.

ONLY time BE is superior, is when others sneaks on a sorc, in frontal combat, a sorc would be lucky to have enough magicka to BE twice in a roll, since, guess what, they actually have to fight use magicka too.

crislevin

JosephChip wrote: »

Strigoimare wrote: »

it is DEFINITELY not spammable

Please, I have heard stupid things but this is just unrealistic. BE is extremely spammable. Sorcerers use it to travel in Cyrodiil.

so? do you now consider travelling pvp? sorc vs. empty landscape?