How strong is the Vestige?

Elyna

Is the Vestige anything special is or it just a normal mortal who was turned into a soul shriven? The Vestige has a difficult time stumbling more powerful enemies while the Dragonborn was able to do it with ease. I know it may not be a fair comparison seeing how the Dragonborn has the soul of a dragon. But in terms of the Vestige itself, the hero doesnt really seem to have any special aspects other than being a soul shriven (which gets resolved later in the game) leaving nothing all the special about him/her.

Ser Lobo

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

rawne1980b16_ESO

They do have to balance things out for an MMO but if you want to compare the hero of ESO to other Elder Scrolls games then the Vestige is the weakest (apart from the first few hours of Morrowind .... come on, you all remember combat "miss, miss, miss, miss, oh look you hit it, miss, miss etc etc) but later on it improves.

Although the Dragonborn in Skyrim is incredibly overpowered. I had to add difficulty increase mods.

Dragons became cannon fodder at one point, barely more than an irritant rather than a challenge.

But Elder Scrolls has been more about the adventure than the challenge so that's an argument for another time.

But if they did make the vestige as powerful as other Elder Scrolls protagonists then it wouldn't really be much of a game.

Minsc

The answer to your question lies with the book ''Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm'' that you find it somewhere in Coldharbour.

The phrase there that says '' ...when the Mundus is in existential jeopardy, the Heart of Nirn itself will spontaneously generate such paragon individuals ( the Vestige) as a way of defending itself from destruction...'' implies that the Vestige is pretty damn strong actually and on a similar power level as other Elder Scroll heroes.

The problem though is, that all these things are just Lore fluff and in order to make a game function ( and even more an MMO) you have to make some compromises on how you present someone's power level in-game in order to have a reasonable and acceptable gameplay experience.

ZeroInspiration

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

Except the Hero of Kvatch isn't a normal mortal, while it isn't explicitly said he is a reincarnation of Pelinal Whitestreak. Further evidenced by the Knights of The Nine addon.

Gedalya

Vestige got game...

twev

My vestige showed up late at 'Hero Powers Allocation Day'.

Not much good stuff left on the table by the time those on the end of the line wandered passed the 'Free Samples' displays.

Maybe next time.

Bane_of_Fringe

The Vestige seems pretty damn powerful to me. The fight with Molag Bal (even with Stendarr's praise/power/grace/whatever), he fought a daedric prince...who was still weakened...nevertheless. The Kvatch Hero was also very 'strong', I mean hell, he became a daedric prince and fought the minions of Mehrune Dagon, though he can't be attributed with his defeat...(was also helped by another daedric prince). The Dragonborn never faced a daedric prince... Another thing I noted was that in all the past games, I believe you could become the Arch-Mage in all of them, as well as leader of the Fighters Guild. The Vestige gains no such titles, and is only the savior of Nirn/faction hero. So, I would say he's pretty powerful...and if you take any of the class abilities seriously, then that trumps any of the previous abilities of the past games' heroes. Overall, I wouldn't underestimate the Vestige at all.

stevenpotter321b14_ESO

Depends on the Vestige, not all vestiges are created equally.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I find it amusing that people think the vestige can compare to any of the other Elder Scrolls protagonists.

All I had to do was hit the ` key ... type in TGM ... and I was a god ... A GOD.

Gedalya

Vestige got game...

Elyna

Bane_of_Fringe wrote: »

The Vestige seems pretty damn powerful to me. The fight with Molag Bal (even with Stendarr's praise/power/grace/whatever), he fought a daedric prince...who was still weakened...nevertheless. The Kvatch Hero was also very 'strong', I mean hell, he became a daedric prince and fought the minions of Mehrune Dagon, though he can't be attributed with his defeat...(was also helped by another daedric prince). The Dragonborn never faced a daedric prince... Another thing I noted was that in all the past games, I believe you could become the Arch-Mage in all of them, as well as leader of the Fighters Guild. The Vestige gains no such titles, and is only the savior of Nirn/faction hero. So, I would say he's pretty powerful...and if you take any of the class abilities seriously, then that trumps any of the previous abilities of the past games' heroes. Overall, I wouldn't underestimate the Vestige at all.

But the Dragonborn defeated Alduin. If you wear Deadric armour while fighting him, Alduin will shout "Ha! Even the Deadra fear me!" Or something like that. I remember reading that Alduin once cursed Mehrunes Dagon which prevented him from jumping. Dagon Eventually wehnt to Alduin and begged him to remove the curse. Alduin made a Daedra beg for mercy. Thats pretty hardcore. Furthermore, Te vestige needed the power of the 8 divines to defeat Molag Bal. The Dragonborn just went toe-to-toe with Alduin and defeated him.

SFBryan18

ZeroInspiration wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

Except the Hero of Kvatch isn't a normal mortal, while it isn't explicitly said he is a reincarnation of Pelinal Whitestreak. Further evidenced by the Knights of The Nine addon.

Not only was he the divine crusader, he was also the Champion of Cyrodil, who helped Martin Septim relight the dragon fires, defeat Mehrunes Dagon, and close the gates to Oblivion.

Every character you play as in TES is written in the scrolls, and so your name becomes immortal, and is known throughout history.

bean19

Minsc wrote: »

The answer to your question lies with the book ''Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm'' that you find it somewhere in Coldharbour.

The phrase there that says '' ...when the Mundus is in existential jeopardy, the Heart of Nirn itself will spontaneously generate such paragon individuals ( the Vestige) as a way of defending itself from destruction...'' implies that the Vestige is pretty damn strong actually and on a similar power level as other Elder Scroll heroes.

The problem though is, that all these things are just Lore fluff and in order to make a game function ( and even more an MMO) you have to make some compromises on how you present someone's power level in-game in order to have a reasonable and acceptable gameplay experience.

@Minsc - Amazing post. I gave you feedback under your post for it, but it's worth quoting you as you provided such a complete and well-referenced answer. I'm going to go lurk your profile now to read your other posts.

Gern_Verkheart

Well, the Vestige is just a normal Guy who lost his soul, whereas the Dragonborn and the Neravarine were (or will be, in relation to ESO's time) two of the most powerful Non-Deadric or Aedric beings in Tamrielic History. That being said, the Hero of Cyrodil was (or will be) just an ordinary person as well (until he/she became Sheogorath), and he/she does some pretty amazing stuff. Of course, their is a possibility (a pretty strong one at that) that the Hero of Cyrodil is the reincarnation of Pelenal Whitestrake, who was the avatar of Shor. If that is true, then that would make the Hero of Cyrodil part of a God, literally, and would help explain why he was able to do such incredible stuff.

So, all in all, the Vestige is quite probably the weakest of all the heroes we have played so far in Tamriel.

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

SFBryan18

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

The prophet doesn't choose you, he recognizes you as being written in the scrolls. Your character fulfills a prophesy. As the profit, he tells you of what is written.

Prophet = Knows Prophesy.

Gern_Verkheart

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of me Killing the first son of Akatosh with 2 hits, 980 years in the future.

Elyna

SFBryan18 wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Normal mortal, by my accounts. Possibly with a fate written in the elder scrolls.

I also saw the word 'Vestige' as a collective thing. There are a ton of soul shriven. It leads me to think this is a group effort, not that I'm the sole hero.

That is, up until you get to the last bit of Coldharbor. Then it's all like 'You, alone, are the sole thing between Tamriel and Oblivion'. At which point, I got confused.

But yeah, I think he's a fairly normal mortal. Ala Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch. Not like Skyrim's Dragonborn or Morrowind's Nerevarine, who were obviously more than mortal.

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

The profit doesn't choose you, he recognizes you as being written in the scrolls. Your character fulfills a prophesy. As the profit, he tells you of what is written.

Profit = Knows Prophesy.

Prophet*

SFBryan18

Spell check doesn't see everything.

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of me Killing the first son of Akatosh with 2 hits, 980 years in the future.

Wait a minute...I did that too! Something is definitely not right here...!!

LordEcks

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

Dont kid yourself. Lyris says it right at the begining of the game. You're chosen because of the other 100's of lamers stuck in the harbor you're the only one not half-dead from scurvy.

Shiaxi

LordEcks wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to boast but I'm kind of a big deal. The Prophet chose ME personally to defeat Molag Bal and restore balance to Tamriel.

So yeah, no biggie but you can start worshiping me now if you want.

Dont kid yourself. Lyris says it right at the begining of the game. You're chosen because of the other 100's of lamers stuck in the harbor you're the only one not half-dead from scurvy.

maybe true, but Lyris is hardly the best person to judge someone's mettle / abilities... I like the chick but she is sorta dimwitted

let's not forget that the vestige basicly becomes the champion of at least one faction and the champion of both the mages and fighters guild.

as mentioned in several conversations with leaders (both in the faction and in coldharbour: with YOU here we may actually stand a chance to "insert amazing feat"

Lord_Hev

Well, if it's a Dragonknight Vestige with light armor and a destruction staff...

novusprimeb14_ESO

hehe vestige is buy far the weaker of the 3 , Dragon born are the strongest, because of there ability to absorbed souls ,
Heres some lore off the site.
Oblivion
Pelinal is one name for the "legendary immortal hero, Reference, This last moniker, "Pelinal the Third", suggests a relationship with other supernatural champions of mankind, such as Harrald Harry-Breeks and Hans the Fox. Altmeri sources suggest that he is one and the same. Described by Morihaus as an ada, or "spirit", some believe Pelinal was another in a long line of avatars sent by Shor to champion the cause of mankind.[2] Pelinal, however, is exceptional in this group because he, through his relationship with Alessia, held significant ties to Akatosh, a deity from a different pantheon than Shor, Also you basically become the mad god 2 so there that.
The guy form morrowind not to sure about, but I think hes linked 2 the tools and the heart with from lore I take , is the heart of the god that fooled all the other ones and made them to start to lose power. could be wrong tho.

In a Fight ide Go Oblivion Dragon born Morrwind hero, vestige.

Regoras

Only if he's wearing cloth and rocking a dest/rest staff combo.

Partomax

This might be too late to say, but as the vestige I can go into skyreach and kill 50 undead at the same times in seconds without getting a scratch on me while in skyrim that would be a bit more difficult.
Not to mention that if someone actually bothered to list all the feats the vestige would complete if you completed the game you would need to scroll down multiple times to see them all.

LMar

Don't forget that, while a soul shriven, the Vestige is a paragon soul shriven which means their body doesn't wither and get corrupted but remains perfect each time they reform. And here's the crux. The vestige cannot die. They reform everytime. And given enough tries they can conquer everything. Prime example: times I died in vMA but eventually got through it. Infinite slow attrition always beats your foes!!

The rest of the heroes can die even if they are so powerful

BigBadVolk

He is on Terry Crews level

The_Smilemeister

Azurya

human/elven/any race waste, that is his/her burden, sadly
liked in that way very much to deathknight-story in WoW..............