Why is this game getting so much hate?

Millionaires · June 2014

I have been.. lurking the forums since 1.1.2 dropped, with my PC being weird and the fact I don't have the stablest internet at the current moment as it's being upgraded, I've had plenty of time to read threads on the forum.

But really, you're all sitting here, putting down this beautiful game, I mean.. it's like you're dumping dirt onto a rose before it can even bud! Give the game time to grow, it'll take time, and dedication for this game to reach it's potential. You have to remember The Elder Scrolls was based on Single Player, Zenimax have tried to keep that experience but, make it into a MMO, which is what a lot of people wanted.

Anyone who is currently dropping subscriptions because the game isn't perfect.. I have no words for. Because that's the attitude that's killing games, you cannot call yourself a gamer, if you do that. I personally will keep renewing whenever I can, just so I can sit back and watch Zenimax transform this game, into a new-age MMORPG.

While on that subject, this isn't WoW, or even close in fact.. it needs to stay away from WoW mentality, the game should not be a cakewalk, cherries and cupcakes.. it's a war-torn era with everything going crazy, and I love that feeling, getting wrecked by a trash mob? AMAZING! I'm yet to see one MMO where a trash mob can kill you, even in swarms. This game I have died to a few *cough* I was punished for not paying attention, when in other games I can just auto it without dipping under 80% HP.

Why are you guys complaining about that? It's great, and sadly Zeni is listening to the masses of crying trying to transform it into another WoW clone. Alas as my post draws to the end, I also want to point out, this game is lore based! Get max levels out of your head and enjoy the literature. Because it's amazing.

I understand that you wont enjoy everything Zenimax does, but that's not a reason to unsubscribe and call the game dead, I've been watching live-streams and still see a lot of players, you're complaining about end-game content, yet I know for a fact you grinded mobs to reach that level, you have no one else to blame but yourself, it will be added with time, it's an MMORPG, not a singleplayer.. it needs content delivered overtime, not all at once.
Games that release everything at launch have nothing left to grab players back later on.

It's not as long as I wanted as I didn't want people to skip it.

Thanks for reading and excuse the semi-rant!
Kind Regards,
Millionaires.

flguy147ub17_ESO · June 2014

I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

Queripel · June 2014

Some like me have been unable to log in and play at all since 1.1.2. due to DCs and 301 errors. For us we can't log in at all except for a few minutes after a server reset.

10 days of no service at all.

As a customer I think that warrants a bit of concern. Don't you?

I bought a three month sub the night before 1.1.2 launched, about 90 days. I have something like 80 days left. I sure hope I can play a few of those days I've bought. I've already been cheated out of close to 10% of my sub purchase. EULA not withstanding how is this level of service acceptable in any trade whatsoever? It isn't.

edit: to rage a bit more and vent

WilliamTee · June 2014

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

BrassRazoo · June 2014

Because people want things for free.

Dagus · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

i agree, kinda.
they still could have delayed it another month and fixed a ton of stuff.

Drasn · June 2014

Most people are complaining because:

50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)
stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)
tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy
bots everywhere
bugs everywhere
no trade chat
horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)
forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

Your problem is you see the world the same way a Toddler does. They do not realize people cant see what they see. They simply expect them too.

Just because you experience something a certain way doesnt mean others are. The hate is legitemate at this point.

sh4d0wh4z3 · June 2014

I haven't played this game since the last patch until now. I feel stupid for letting the forum people get to me to think the game broke itself. I started to play again and It was fun and enjoyable. The only thing that wasn't fun and enjoyable was the lag i had after playing for a while and one quest bugging out which was VoM.

GrimCyclone · June 2014

I'm sorry, but the world has countermeasures and things like this to prevent people from taking advantage of others. Zenimax is taking advantage of our patronage and not meeting their end of the deal in terms of service. If this game was played by the world at large it would've been shutdown and ridiculed on the tonight show. It'd be a meme.

What they are doing is beyond irresponsible. It's reckless and God only knows what the hell the management must be thinking if by now there hasn't been an immediate all-stop and total redirection in thought. One can only assume that they are running a 2nd rate crew and winging it, hoping they will stay afloat long enough before too many people leave.

Wake up. Stop defending them. They need to get their act together.

WilliamTee · June 2014

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WilliamTee wrote: »

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

Your problem is you see the world the same way a Toddler does. They do not realize people cant see what they see. They simply expect them too.

Just because you experience something a certain way doesnt mean others are. The hate is legitemate at this point.

@Korah_Eaglecry‌ I'm not trying to flame, perhaps it's a language thing... But i don't understand this response?

Millionaires · June 2014

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Most people are complaining because:
50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)

stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)

tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy

bots everywhere

bugs everywhere

no trade chat

horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)

forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.

You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.

Queripel · June 2014

Millionaires wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Most people are complaining because:
50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)

stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)

tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy

bots everywhere

bugs everywhere

no trade chat

horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)

forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.

You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.

What about my issue, an issue many have of not being able to play since 1.1.2 (10 days) due to DCs and 301 errors?

If a 10 day service outage isn't worth bitching about by a paying subscriber then what is?

Bromburak · June 2014

Why is this game getting so much hate

You will always read about the bad and more about haters and this counts for everything in life because most people don't write about something if they love something. Because it would be boring to read and many think its not reason enough to write about something when its good or positive ...

Watch the news, read daily paper or any media, 90% is about the bad stuff in this world.

driosketch · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

If they're coming from the TES franchise, then believe me they know bugs. And as someone who's played the series since Arena, I have no problem seeing this as an Elder Scrolls game.

Loco_Mofo · June 2014

The game is beautiful, granted.

BUT it also suffers from crippling bugs, class imbalance, unnecessary grind (VR), bots, exploits & hacks (PvP), lag (PvP), limited build variety (magicka > stamina), not to mention some people can't even log into the game right now...

But you're right, the game is beautiful.

WilliamTee · June 2014

Actually @Millionaires‌ many of @thomas.k.grayb14_ESO 's points are more than mere opinions.

In fact, they're mostly facts, and examples of the sad reality of the modern PC gaming market where the ability to patch ad infinitum means standards upon release are far far lower.

There is a reason the console version has been delayed.

It worries me that the intention for this game might always have been to be the first console MMO, and that the PC version is in reality just a giant beta...

However, it's still a fun game in the interim, especially while other PC MMOs are at a slow part of their cycle at the minute.

sparks60188b14_ESO · June 2014

MMO boards have been this way since the dawn of man.

Did you play WoW during the peak years when they had 12 million subs? I remember going to those boards and reading whine fest after whine fest. A new player reading the forums even during those prime years may have thought not a single player logged into the game due to the negativeness of the board.

Zubba · June 2014

The thing is. I dont think any sane person would cancel their sub in any game, then sit on the forum all day long writing about it. It seems to me that the people on this forum actually believe they can change the game into something they wish by threatening to cancel their sub. Change it to wow? lol NO THANKS.

ESO is simply a great game, Young and immature but bloody great.

LordEcks · June 2014

What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.

It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.

They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.

Dayel · June 2014

The game really is not getting that much hate. It is a great game that will only get better over time. And the haters represent a tiny, highly vocal screeching bunch of people with little patience and less manners.

david271749 · June 2014

LordEcks wrote: »

What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.

It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.

They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.

It's probably because they can be fixed at the user level.

Bayezid · June 2014

well,reviewers like Shoddycast and Angry Joe don't like this game. Most of my guild and players i met are getting bored of this game.

So clearly,there is some legitimate reason why this game is failing.

It needs to get out of the identity crisis and stop innovating in the wrong areas!

Drasn · June 2014

Millionaires wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am not an investor, I am a customer, I don't pay money to wait for them to fix all the bugs, exploits, and broken mechanics. I pay money to play a product that is fun and works correctly. And that isnt this game and the bugs, exploits and broken mechanics are the #1 reason i havent played much at all this whole weekend. I know there is no game that is perfect without any bugs but this is the worst I have seen in a decade of playing MMOs.

This game is fun and it plays correctly, Zenimax cannot cater to your combat needs as everyone has a different opinion. They cannot make the game balanced/fair for everyones tastes, they can try and fail, but that's it, you need to accept this, and the fact you say you have MMO experience just raises this further. Their is not one game on the market that is perfect and appeals to everyone, so how is 'broken mechanics' a viable rant?

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Most people are complaining because:
50% of the base classes are not wanted for high end content (because they are subpar)

stamina based builds are a joke compared to magicka based builds (that adds another decent % to the unwanted)

tanks do better in light armor than they do in heavy

bots everywhere

bugs everywhere

no trade chat

horrible guild store interface(or no AH, take your pick)

forced to grind quests at vet levels

And the list goes on, there is plenty to complain about. That's not saying that there aren't good things as well, but you can only polish a turd for so long, and all that.

Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.

You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.

Do you even play the game? My personal opinions are apparently shared by decent number of people.

Anyway let me help you out some:

Go to craglorn (the fact that you think some of the things on my list are personal opinions makes me wonder if you can even get to craglorn)... anyway, once you get there, just shill for a minute and watch the chat (ignore all the WTS/WTB/WTT crap that you, because that must be your guild chat) let me know if you see any groups looking for templars or nightblades. let me know if you see any groups looking for less than 800 DPS. (just so you are aware, DPS does not mean I burst all my stamina away now I'm screwed, but hey I did do 800 dps for 8 seconds.)

Also, I fail to see how -BUGS EVERYWHERE- is a personal opinion.
Also again, Tanks DO perform better in light armor because of the whole magicka>stamina issue (you can reach Armor soft cap in light armor)

I'm not going to get into it about the forced to grind quests at VET levels, because I honestly doubt you are there if you think it's a personal opinion.

Last bit, run a damage parser on yourself with various builds and such to truely know the differance between a magicka build and a stamina build. Play a templar to a level that actually matters, then do the same with a dragonknight.

Okay I lied, this is the last bit, take your rose colored glasses off, see the game as it actually is. I said there are good things about the game, but unfortunately those good things fade as they become repetitive. The bad things I have mentioned, along with those that I haven't will remain glaring holes until something is done.

flguy147ub17_ESO · June 2014

LordEcks wrote: »

What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.

It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.

They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.

Because there are 1000s of players that has never played a TES game ever. They are playing this because its a MMO not because its a TES game. 2nd of all, a broken game isn't acceptable no matter what the title. I would fire one of my employees in 2 secs if they gave our client this broken of a product. Maybe because I am 36 years old (not a teen or college kid) and own 2 businesses, I have zero tolerance for selling a broken product and expecting customers to pay for it.

Purple_Prophet · June 2014

I love reading the post by some of the people on this forum. The creativity and well thought out post make it worth it to just sit back, enjoy some popcorn, and watch people tear into one another. Gotta love classic MMO boards!

KerinKor · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

SW:TOR was only a few years ago and I suggest ESO is currently following it in terms of numbers of disappointed players 'leaving'.

Both were hugely hyped, not least by the players themselves, both had a very long and successful heritage, both sold massive numbers of pre-orders.

On release both has massive problems. Not the same type, TOR's servers were a disaster while ESO's largely stood up. However to make up for that ESO had a huge number of game-breaking bugs, many of which still exist and the infamous 'bank' bug is about the worst case of character corruption I can recall, ever.

TOR's fundamental fail though was lack of content, there was no end-game at all and large numbers reached it within weeks then had nothing to do, literally, if they didn't want to PVP.

In ESO's case the same can be said pre-1.1.2 and even Craglorn only adds a week's worth of content it seems, I saw a VR12 within 5 days of its release, and the entire VR grind is have a big negative impact on many players it seems: if we wanted an Asian grind-fest then Lineage still exists I believe!

So yeah, the most recent example of a over-hyped, content-lacking game wasn't that long ago.

KerinKor · June 2014

WilliamTee wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WilliamTee wrote: »

Why?

They made the mistake of putting Elder Scrolls in the game title.

People have expectations of the TES brand that do not easily mesh with the apparent 'release-before-finished' nature of the modern PC MMO market.

It'a good game, I'm enjoying it and have played MMOs before so know it will improve... but it's been a while since such an anticipated MMO was released... many will not know/have forgotten how troubled releases are, and many others will have been drawn in from the TES single-player market.

Your problem is you see the world the same way a Toddler does. They do not realize people cant see what they see. They simply expect them too.

Just because you experience something a certain way doesnt mean others are. The hate is legitemate at this point.

@Korah_Eaglecry‌ I'm not trying to flame, perhaps it's a language thing... But i don't understand this response?

@WilliamTee, It's okay, it's largely nonsense with a facile personal insult as the opener.

LordEcks · June 2014

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

LordEcks wrote: »

What I can't figure out is how\why people can be surprised at the amount of bugs in the game.

It says TES on the freaking title. I've you've played any of those games you should know that they are all notoriously bug ridden, and brokenly unbalanced.

They're still fun as hell though. Oddly enough the bugs/crashing/unbalanced gameplay never seems to bother anyone much in single player.

Because there are 1000s of players that has never played a TES game ever. They are playing this because its a MMO not because its a TES game. 2nd of all, a broken game isn't acceptable no matter what the title. I would fire one of my employees in 2 secs if they gave our client this broken of a product. Maybe because I am 36 years old (not a teen or college kid) and own 2 businesses, I have zero tolerance for selling a broken product and expecting customers to pay for it.

Not that I disagree with you but what your saying is somewhat contradictory.

In essence all MMOs contain bugs, and thus they are all broken.

I guess theres some unmentioned degree of how many bugs are acceptable or to what degree they affect you.

None of the these bugs have had any larger of an impact on my gameplay than in any other TES game. So take my opinion with a grain of salt.

My point is to me its in no way a 'broken' product.

If you own resturants I'll give you this example:

Two patrons of you resturant both fill out a survey for you.

One says the Pasta they had was great, not perfect but the best they'd had in years.

The other patron has the exact same dish and says it was god awful and sucked... and the cook should be shot.

What would you do about it?

AngryNord · June 2014

Voicing concerns over legitimate issues != hate

Crisscross · June 2014

Millionaires wrote: »

Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.
Every MMORPG has bots, find me one that doesn't.
Personal opinion.
Guilds?
Personal opinion.
Personal opinion.

You're looking at the bad, instead of the good. It's this that you refuse to even look at, instead bad things are clouding your mind.

No it's not.
No it's not.
No it's not. What the hell are you smoking? O.o

These have been discussed and spreadsheeted at length. How are math and numbers personal opinion? Fact: You CAN hit armor cap with light armor, and you get more magicka out of the deal because of it. Fact: Stamina builds are just bad, because not only do you have to use your stamina for blocking and CC breaking, but the stamina abilities simply don't even match the magicka ones to begin with. Playing the 'personal opinion' card on things like this is the silliest argument I've ever seen. Are you honestly telling me that if people turned him down for groups because he played a nightblade, that's just personal opinion too and it's all in his head?

Personally, and I know I'm not speaking for everyone, I will readily give all my kudos to the things the game does right as well. I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything. I believe that the quests are superbly written and presented, and the zone design is just brilliant. I think the graphics are great, the animations are great (for the most part), the lore is great, I love the crafting (except for enchanting), and I love exploring these gigantic zones they've made for us and finding all the little details and easter eggs they've put in. But, do you know what all that is?

Personal opinion.