Werewolf Overhaul Thread

NobleX35

There's no doubt that the Werewolf line needs a pretty serious overhaul, so I thought I'd start this thread to open up some discussion on some possibilities to help make the Werewolf more viable and more enjoyable.

There has been a lot of ideas floating around promoting the idea of simply changing the transformation to Werewolf from an ultimate ability to simply a toggle skill and leaving everything else basically the same. I personally don't feel that does the Werewolf line enough justice, so here is an idea that I propose:

One idea that I've had for quite some time now is to change the transformation to Werewolf from an Ultimate ability to consuming a weapon slot. The theory behind this is to basically give players another "weapon line" option that would now level to 50 instead of 10, and would have both positive and negative aspects attached to it; and obviously changes to the light and heavy attacks would have to be made so as to not make the transformation too OP. One of the perks to this change is that it would not only allow players to stay in Werewolf form for as long as they like, but would give them the freedom to change as often as they like because they could simply swap between there main-hand weapon set and the Werewolf transformation. One of the potentially negative side-effects to this idea is that it forces the player to decide if they'd rather have 2 standard bars for class and other traditional skills or have 1 standard bar and 1 bar being strictly for Werewolf skills.

Also all current negative side effects of being a Werewolf would remain ie. -50% poison resistance and all Fighters guild abilities give the correct passive trait has been purchased.

Now I personally feel that given the fact that the player can not use any class or other skills *except* for the 2 Werewolf skills in the line; Werewolves should therefore have 5 skills and an ultimate available to them (this is still going a long with my weapon slot idea)

Current 2 skills seem fine no need to change them, and the numbers I used are arbitrary and based off of my VR5 stats and are only intended to give players and idea of what the skills would look in comparison with each other.
Skills

1. Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets

Brutal Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage to all targets in the area and stunning off-balance targets

Feral Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets; Adds 4 meters

2. Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 3.5 seconds (4.25s at rank IV); Affects up to 3 nearby enemies

Ferocious Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; When an enemy is killed in this state his nearby allies are set off-balance and disoriented for 2.5 seconds (3.25s at rank IV)

Rousing Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; Nearby allies gain 3 weapon power for each enemy target affected (6 weapon power at rank IV); Lasts 10 seconds

3. Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds

Rabid Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Increases damage over time by 9% every 2 seconds (12% at rank IV)

Vicious Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Snares the target 50% for 4 seconds

4. Claws – Deals 236 damage to the target

Savage Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; Reduces targets armor by 40%

Beastly Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; 25% change to set them off-balance and disorient them (50% at rank IV)

5. Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 10 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 200

Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 592 physical damage

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Player gains 40% damage for 6 seconds (50% at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Deal's 75 damage to the target every second for 18 seconds (21 seconds at rank IV)

*or*

5. Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 444 physical damage (cast time 1 second)

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Player gains 20% damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Affected enemy deals 20% less damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 75

Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 20 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Traits

Savage Strength (only in werewolf form)

Rank 1 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 1 additional target in front of the player

Rank 2 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 5 targets in front of the player

Blood Rage (while Werewolf Transformation is slotted in weapon slot)

Rank 1 – Generates 2 ultimate by taking damage

Rank 2 - Generates 5 ultimate by taking damage

Devour – Devour humanoid corpses to regain health (can only devour once per minute)

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Pursuit

Rank 1 - Increases max stamina by 7.5% (in both human and werewolf form)

Rank 2 - Increases max stamina by 15% (in both human and werewolf form)

Thanks for reading and I look forward to seeing other ideas to help make the Werewolf line more viable and enjoyable.

Diamond_10

Make it so you are forced to be a wolf at night, and totally re-do the skills.

Thevampirenight

yes also yellow eyes blood lust gets bad and you not eat people the eyes go more wolf like in human form with the force tranformation which should be just the full moon also the werewolf should be weak to silver period and fighter guild skills work without the passive and get rid of the passive because silver is a werewolves worst nightmare and add silver weapons that do extra damage to ghosts and werewolves

Ingwe

I actually like this idea, very close to what I said in another thread. I need to feel like a wolf, not a kitten looking for milk. The transform itself is already very lack luster as you are a sitting duck for 2sec when you return back to normal.

I feel at the moment that vamps have no real drawback (yes I have a vamp char so I know about the fire, and that is easily negated by just sucking some blood and staying out of fire) but massive + points all over since you can mix and match your abilities and they get one hell of an awesome ulti.

WW on the other hand feels like it was made just to have fun, and thats it, and very very rushed and incomplete. Nothing + but a little bit -. I have a templar healer thats a ww and at the moment i see no reason not to go vamp for the added magica etc. I see absolutely no reason to go ww for any champ except if you want to have fun.

just my 2c

Dagus

Ingwe wrote: »

I actually like this idea, very close to what I said in another thread. I need to feel like a wolf, not a kitten looking for milk. The transform itself is already very lack luster as you are a sitting duck for 2sec when you return back to normal.

I feel at the moment that vamps have no real drawback (yes I have a vamp char so I know about the fire, and that is easily negated by just sucking some blood and staying out of fire) but massive + points all over since you can mix and match your abilities and they get one hell of an awesome ulti.

WW on the other hand feels like it was made just to have fun, and thats it, and very very rushed and incomplete. Nothing + but a little bit -. I have a templar healer thats a ww and at the moment i see no reason not to go vamp for the added magica etc. I see absolutely no reason to go ww for any champ except if you want to have fun.

just my 2c

lol i love how in your post, you vilify and demonize the act of "fun" in a video game.

I don't mean to be rude. i just want you to step back and read what you've written.


yes WW sucks competitively, it sucks hard. it sucks like a blond girl on prom night. And yes, it needs remade to be in line with its counterpart the Vamp, but come on man, don't make "fun" into something draconian.

Vokun93

I agree with the skill lines you listed above it would make the werewolf actually worth using. One thing that really annoys me is the animations, they are absolutely terrible. I mean look at the werewolves in Skyrim then this game.

Zenimax really need to implement changes just like the ones listed in the original post because where the werewolf stands right now it is more of a burden than a benefit. Which should not be the case.

Darastix

Since we take extra poison damage even when not in werewolf form, id like to see a bonus that's also applied even when not in werewolf form. perhaps a damage modifier, or crit or something since were supposed to have more strength.

RianaTheBosmer

I just made werewolf (level 30, DK) and I agree. 2 skill? Really? This line needs to be completely changed and brought up to vamp level, in total agreement with everyone on this thread.

DeLindsay

My main thoughts for WW overhaul are:

- Stamina passive should effect humanoid form (yes already noted)
- WW should have an additional passive that increases armor (not resists) in humanoid form by 5/10%.
- Since they are supposed to be stronger than normal people, add another passive that gives 5/10% damage increase while in humanoid form to effect light/heavy attacks (similar to the claws in WW form, and shouldn't effect WW form).
- WW Ultimate should be no more than 500 (before Savoir's Hide).
- The initial transformation should have a longer duration. It's like 30 sec now, it should be more like 45-60 sec and each feed should increase this by 30 sec or so with a maximum duration of say 5-8 minutes.

Vokun93

DeLindsay wrote: »

My main thoughts for WW overhaul are:

- Stamina passive should effect humanoid form (yes already noted)
- WW should have an additional passive that increases armor (not resists) in humanoid form by 5/10%.
- Since they are supposed to be stronger than normal people, add another passive that gives 5/10% damage increase while in humanoid form to effect light/heavy attacks (similar to the claws in WW form, and shouldn't effect WW form).
- WW Ultimate should be no more than 500 (before Savoir's Hide).
- The initial transformation should have a longer duration. It's like 30 sec now, it should be more like 45-60 sec and each feed should increase this by 30 sec or so with a maximum duration of say 5-8 minutes.

I agree with the points you are making here although I still think the werewolf form should be a toggle and take up a weapon slot. For this reason it should have the full skill lines as mentioned in the original post.

Appalachian

I have been scratched and have the WW quest for 3 days now (just level 33.)
I am waiting a bit longer on any news from Zenimax, regarding this topic.

I hope they make Werewolves a bit more viable/fun than the recent stock ideas of single player Elder Scrolls.

Ingwe

Dagus wrote: »

Ingwe wrote: »

I actually like this idea, very close to what I said in another thread. I need to feel like a wolf, not a kitten looking for milk. The transform itself is already very lack luster as you are a sitting duck for 2sec when you return back to normal.

I feel at the moment that vamps have no real drawback (yes I have a vamp char so I know about the fire, and that is easily negated by just sucking some blood and staying out of fire) but massive + points all over since you can mix and match your abilities and they get one hell of an awesome ulti.

WW on the other hand feels like it was made just to have fun, and thats it, and very very rushed and incomplete. Nothing + but a little bit -. I have a templar healer thats a ww and at the moment i see no reason not to go vamp for the added magica etc. I see absolutely no reason to go ww for any champ except if you want to have fun.

just my 2c

lol i love how in your post, you vilify and demonize the act of "fun" in a video game.

I don't mean to be rude. i just want you to step back and read what you've written.


yes WW sucks competitively, it sucks hard. it sucks like a blond girl on prom night. And yes, it needs remade to be in line with its counterpart the Vamp, but come on man, don't make "fun" into something draconian.

mmm ok no problem your not rude, but I think you might have miss understood what I meant. I am a WW like I said, and when I transform its very fun mauling the mobs to death, but it feels like an arcade game (those old ones that you coin, and you got X amount of time to play) that I have to kill as many mobs ASAP just to level it, and then its over before I can really enjoy it.

But ye didnt vilify or demonize it you make it sound very bad

Chuggernaut

I don't have a problem with the ultimate cost, I seem to fill it up quickly with both my Sorcerer and Dragon Knight. I do think Devour needs a debuff timer so you know when you can use it, its annoying when your take out a mob and you cannot eat any of them, and then you need to scramble to find another mob before the timer runs out. I also really think Werewolf shift should follow the same rules as Overload.

NobleX35

Thevampirenight wrote: »

yes also yellow eyes blood lust gets bad and you not eat people the eyes go more wolf like in human form with the force tranformation which should be just the full moon also the werewolf should be weak to silver period and fighter guild skills work without the passive and get rid of the passive because silver is a werewolves worst nightmare and add silver weapons that do extra damage to ghosts and werewolves

I really like the Silver Damage type idea, more poison damage against a Werewolf doesn't really make any sense to be honest.

Tendeep

Sadly we have been asking for a look at Werewolfs since release... it is not even on the ZOS radar :-(

c0rp

Ulti regen just took a nerf...and now the ww ulti is even harder to get built up for. I just cant believe how TERRIBLE this ww skill line is after how many YEARS of development? Whoever was in charge of the WW development should be FIRED IMO. They FAILED at their job, and thats what happens to people who fail at their jobs.

Vokun93

c0rp wrote: »

Ulti regen just took a nerf...and now the ww ulti is even harder to get built up for. I just cant believe how TERRIBLE this ww skill line is after how many YEARS of development? Whoever was in charge of the WW development should be FIRED IMO. They FAILED at their job, and thats what happens to people who fail at their jobs.

It obviously wasn't one person and to say they should be fired is a bit harsh. The werewolf is bad but it isn't that bad. You can still kill people it just needs some tweaks to make it more powerful.

Like the ones in the original post.

GothicPython wrote: »

1. Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets

Brutal Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage to all targets in the area and stunning off-balance targets

Feral Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets; Adds 4 meters

2. Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 3.5 seconds (4.25s at rank IV); Affects up to 3 nearby enemies

Ferocious Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; When an enemy is killed in this state his nearby allies are set off-balance and disoriented for 2.5 seconds (3.25s at rank IV)

Rousing Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; Nearby allies gain 3 weapon power for each enemy target affected (6 weapon power at rank IV); Lasts 10 seconds

3. Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds

Rabid Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Increases damage over time by 9% every 2 seconds (12% at rank IV)

Vicious Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Snares the target 50% for 4 seconds

4. Claws – Deals 236 damage to the target

Savage Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; Reduces targets armor by 40%

Beastly Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; 25% change to set them off-balance and disorient them (50% at rank IV)

5. Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 10 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 200

Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 592 physical damage

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Player gains 40% damage for 6 seconds (50% at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Deal's 75 damage to the target every second for 18 seconds (21 seconds at rank IV)

*or*

5. Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 444 physical damage (cast time 1 second)

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Player gains 20% damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Affected enemy deals 20% less damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 75

Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 20 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Traits

Savage Strength (only in werewolf form)

Rank 1 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 1 additional target in front of the player

Rank 2 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 5 targets in front of the player

Blood Rage (while Werewolf Transformation is slotted in weapon slot)

Rank 1 – Generates 2 ultimate by taking damage

Rank 2 - Generates 5 ultimate by taking damage

Devour – Devour humanoid corpses to regain health (can only devour once per minute)

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Pursuit

Rank 1 - Increases max stamina by 7.5% (in both human and werewolf form)

Rank 2 - Increases max stamina by 15% (in both human and werewolf form)

NobleX35

Unfortunately it doesn't look like Werewolves are getting any good changes in the next update. Lets keep the idea's flowing.

Pellaeon

I agree that WW should definitely be a toggle. I like the ideas the OP has made and would like to see them implemented.

I do realize that class balances and lag issues are a priority for fixes but I would really like not just the skills but the entire WW aspect to be looked at.

I find that I hardly use it anymore as it takes up my Ultimate slot and even then it is only for a X amount of time depending on if I can devour or not. If I am in Coldharbor then devour is about useless as you cannot devour daedra or undead.

GothicPython wrote: »

more poison damage against a Werewolf doesn't really make any sense to be honest.

Yeah, whats up with that?

NobleX35

Does anyone have some possible ideas for a Toggle ability? Not really sure how a toggle would work unless the whole Werewolf line is just a toggle with no skills. Otherwise wouldn't you need to already have those WW skills on your bar before you toggled the skill? Any ideas/suggestions?

Enderman_Slayer

This would be a better set up for skills available for WW's but they still fail to have an efficient means to heal themselves. Devour is supposed to give you a bit of health but honestly it isn't enough to compensate for the damage that you take. It would be nice to hear if there were any plans to do anything with them such as the issues that have been addressed with the night blade.

Brizz

I think the only changes that will ever be considered would be the ones that are easy to implement.

My suggestion for Werewolf would be to allow usable class skills that are either buffs or defensives to be dragged onto the werewolf bar. All of these could use the "Howl" animation plus whatever spell effect was used so as to require easy implementation.

Usable skills would include:

Dragon Knight

• Spiked Armor
• Reflective Scale
• Molten Weapons
• Obsidiun Shield

Sorcerer:

• Bound Armor
• Conjured Ward
• Lightning Form
• Surge

Nightblade

• Blur
• Haste
• Shadow Cloak
• Siphoning Strikes

Templar

• Sun Shield
• Blinding Light
• Restoring Aura
• Rune Focus

I also think that the Werewolf would need to be a toggled Ultimate similar to how Overload works for Sorcerers -

Werewolf Transformation - Transforms player into a werewolf form that drains Ultimate. Increases Stamina, Armor, and run speed. Attack damage is derived from max stamina. Toggle to activate. 500 Ultimate, Instant

Some of the passives would need changing to benefit a toggled Ultimate, as well as something that gives you a bonus out of form.

Devour - Can devour humanoid corpses to earn 25 Ultimate.
Call of the Pack - Reduces the amount of ultimate drained from werewolf transformation on nearby allies by 3%/5%. Effects up to 5 targets and stacks up to 5 times.
Swift - Increases run speed by 30%.

Lastly, I believe that Vampires and Werewolves should be strong in this game, and the Fighters Guild skill line should provide strong counters to them.

Sonja

How many months do we need to complain that something sucks before we even ''earn'' one simple answer from anyone of you? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
We have been begging for werewolf fixes since early access, there are dozens of threads about it yet zero answers from ZoS on our issues.

Why is it so hard, why do you avoid answering with simple ''yes we are working on fixing werewolfs'' and ''no we are not working on fixing werewolfs''. It will take you only 5-10 seconds to answer that and it would mean to hundreds of players here to actually know instead of feeling ignored like we do now because you never responded to any of 20+ werewolf threads. ^^

Talrenos

This is all a great idea and would make WW actually fun and balanced. Unfortunately ZOS does not want fun & balanced for WW, they designed poor & underpowered. Once a DEV designs something, going back to change it is admitting that person does not have the ability to make something a game should have, thus a ***-poor dev that should not have been given that task. No one will want to admit they failed so that's why your idea wil never see the light of day.

GothicPython wrote: »

There's no doubt that the Werewolf line needs a pretty serious overhaul, so I thought I'd start this thread to open up some discussion on some possibilities to help make the Werewolf more viable and more enjoyable.

There has been a lot of ideas floating around promoting the idea of simply changing the transformation to Werewolf from an ultimate ability to simply a toggle skill and leaving everything else basically the same. I personally don't feel that does the Werewolf line enough justice, so here is an idea that I propose:

One idea that I've had for quite some time now is to change the transformation to Werewolf from an Ultimate ability to consuming a weapon slot. The theory behind this is to basically give players another "weapon line" option that would now level to 50 instead of 10, and would have both positive and negative aspects attached to it; and obviously changes to the light and heavy attacks would have to be made so as to not make the transformation too OP. One of the perks to this change is that it would not only allow players to stay in Werewolf form for as long as they like, but would give them the freedom to change as often as they like because they could simply swap between there main-hand weapon set and the Werewolf transformation. One of the potentially negative side-effects to this idea is that it forces the player to decide if they'd rather have 2 standard bars for class and other traditional skills or have 1 standard bar and 1 bar being strictly for Werewolf skills.

Also all current negative side effects of being a Werewolf would remain ie. -50% poison resistance and all Fighters guild abilities give the correct passive trait has been purchased.

Now I personally feel that given the fact that the player can not use any class or other skills *except* for the 2 Werewolf skills in the line; Werewolves should therefore have 5 skills and an ultimate available to them (this is still going a long with my weapon slot idea)

Current 2 skills seem fine no need to change them, and the numbers I used are arbitrary and based off of my VR5 stats and are only intended to give players and idea of what the skills would look in comparison with each other.
Skills

1. Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets

Brutal Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage to all targets in the area and stunning off-balance targets

Feral Pounce - Player leaps to target, dealing 247 Physical Damage and stunning off-balance targets; Adds 4 meters

2. Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 3.5 seconds (4.25s at rank IV); Affects up to 3 nearby enemies

Ferocious Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; When an enemy is killed in this state his nearby allies are set off-balance and disoriented for 2.5 seconds (3.25s at rank IV)

Rousing Roar - Unleashes a beastly roar causing fear, disorientation and off balance to enemies within 6m for 4.25 seconds; Affects up to 3 nearby enemies; Nearby allies gain 3 weapon power for each enemy target affected (6 weapon power at rank IV); Lasts 10 seconds

3. Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds

Rabid Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Increases damage over time by 9% every 2 seconds (12% at rank IV)

Vicious Bite - Player bites the target, dealing 174 damage initially and 426 damage over 8 seconds; Snares the target 50% for 4 seconds

4. Claws – Deals 236 damage to the target

Savage Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; Reduces targets armor by 40%

Beastly Claws - Deals 236 damage to the target; 25% change to set them off-balance and disorient them (50% at rank IV)

5. Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 10 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 200

Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 592 physical damage

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Player gains 40% damage for 6 seconds (50% at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 592 damage; Deal's 75 damage to the target every second for 18 seconds (21 seconds at rank IV)

*or*

5. Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swinging claws violently and dealing 444 physical damage (cast time 1 second)

Blinding Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Player gains 20% damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Relentless Rage - Player goes into state of rage, swing claws violently and dealing 444 damage (cast time 1 second); Affected enemy deals 20% less damage for 6 seconds (7.5s at rank IV)

Ultimate - cost 75

Call of the Omega - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds

Call of the Alpha - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Affected targets gain 10% weapon critical chance for 20 seconds (15% at rank IV)

Call of the Pack - Player gains 450 armor rating for 20 seconds; Increases allies attack speed by 15% for 20 seconds (20% at rank IV)

Traits

Savage Strength (only in werewolf form)

Rank 1 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 1 additional target in front of the player

Rank 2 - All light and heavy attacks can hit up to 5 targets in front of the player

Blood Rage (while Werewolf Transformation is slotted in weapon slot)

Rank 1 – Generates 2 ultimate by taking damage

Rank 2 - Generates 5 ultimate by taking damage

Devour – Devour humanoid corpses to regain health (can only devour once per minute)

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Pursuit

Rank 1 - Increases max stamina by 7.5% (in both human and werewolf form)

Rank 2 - Increases max stamina by 15% (in both human and werewolf form)

Thanks for reading and I look forward to seeing other ideas to help make the Werewolf line more viable and enjoyable.

Sonja

They (ZoS) have been ignoring us since game was released. They are fixing vampires, nightblades, templars etc etc etc.......Only thing they never fix or even talk about are werewolfs.

Each day its a fight for me to justify paying for this game, honestly, why should i pay soneone to ignore me all the time.

@ZoS_GinaBruno She admited that stamina builds, templars and werewolfs are broken in patch notes 1.2.2 on test live while answering some player there. She said that they will post updates/future fixes this week....well, this is the last working day of the week and templar/stamina build fixes were posted.....werewolf was left out......

Forgive me, my mistake, it was not Gina that said it it was Jessica, and i quote:
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
ZOS_JessicaFolsom admin
June 16 Staff Post
Amesiel wrote: »
Are the guys that work on stamina resource, werewolves and Templars on vacation? Is ZoS afraid to acknowledge that stamina users, werewolves and Templars are under performing right now? ZoS Can Templars get an independent forum post on things being worked on for them? Like how the Nightblades have one in the general forums?

No, we agree that all three need fixes and improvements, and are working on them. We're putting together the very type of comprehensive update post you mention. It'll go up this week, as soon as it' done.

NobleX35

Brizz wrote: »

I think the only changes that will ever be considered would be the ones that are easy to implement.

My suggestion for Werewolf would be to allow usable class skills that are either buffs or defensives to be dragged onto the werewolf bar. All of these could use the "Howl" animation plus whatever spell effect was used so as to require easy implementation.

Usable skills would include:

Dragon Knight

• Spiked Armor
• Reflective Scale
• Molten Weapons
• Obsidiun Shield

Sorcerer:

• Bound Armor
• Conjured Ward
• Lightning Form
• Surge

Nightblade

• Blur
• Haste
• Shadow Cloak
• Siphoning Strikes

Templar

• Sun Shield
• Blinding Light
• Restoring Aura
• Rune Focus

I also think that the Werewolf would need to be a toggled Ultimate similar to how Overload works for Sorcerers -

Werewolf Transformation - Transforms player into a werewolf form that drains Ultimate. Increases Stamina, Armor, and run speed. Attack damage is derived from max stamina. Toggle to activate. 500 Ultimate, Instant

Some of the passives would need changing to benefit a toggled Ultimate, as well as something that gives you a bonus out of form.

Devour - Can devour humanoid corpses to earn 25 Ultimate.
Call of the Pack - Reduces the amount of ultimate drained from werewolf transformation on nearby allies by 3%/5%. Effects up to 5 targets and stacks up to 5 times.
Swift - Increases run speed by 30%.

Lastly, I believe that Vampires and Werewolves should be strong in this game, and the Fighters Guild skill line should provide strong counters to them.

I definitely like several of your ideas, and they do sound like much simpler changes. Although wouldn't it be a little odd seeing a werewolf running around with several molten spikes coming out of his back? Still...insightful!

NobleX35

Brizz wrote: »

I think the only changes that will ever be considered would be the ones that are easy to implement.

My suggestion for Werewolf would be to allow usable class skills that are either buffs or defensives to be dragged onto the werewolf bar. All of these could use the "Howl" animation plus whatever spell effect was used so as to require easy implementation.

Usable skills would include:

Dragon Knight

• Spiked Armor
• Reflective Scale
• Molten Weapons
• Obsidiun Shield

Sorcerer:

• Bound Armor
• Conjured Ward
• Lightning Form
• Surge

Nightblade

• Blur
• Haste
• Shadow Cloak
• Siphoning Strikes

Templar

• Sun Shield
• Blinding Light
• Restoring Aura
• Rune Focus

I also think that the Werewolf would need to be a toggled Ultimate similar to how Overload works for Sorcerers -

Werewolf Transformation - Transforms player into a werewolf form that drains Ultimate. Increases Stamina, Armor, and run speed. Attack damage is derived from max stamina. Toggle to activate. 500 Ultimate, Instant

Some of the passives would need changing to benefit a toggled Ultimate, as well as something that gives you a bonus out of form.

Devour - Can devour humanoid corpses to earn 25 Ultimate.
Call of the Pack - Reduces the amount of ultimate drained from werewolf transformation on nearby allies by 3%/5%. Effects up to 5 targets and stacks up to 5 times.
Swift - Increases run speed by 30%.

Lastly, I believe that Vampires and Werewolves should be strong in this game, and the Fighters Guild skill line should provide strong counters to them.

I definitely like several of your ideas, and they do sound like much simpler changes. Although wouldn't it be a little odd seeing a werewolf running around with several molten spikes coming out of his back? Still...insightful!

Junkogen

They should offer abilities that compete with vampires. They should have decent passives that boost them even in non-wolf form.

Hypertionb14_ESO

how about we just alter the bloodmoon passive like this...

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Recover Health While in werewolf form based current ultimate charge.

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Using the following math to determine the hp per tick..

Every 1 second...

Player regains x% of their ultimate. using their level to determine X

so a level 50 (or any veteran level) player would regain 50% of their current ultimate each tick as HP... meaning if a player has 300 ultimate they would gain 150 per sec.

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This change would make WW more powerful the longer you stay in the form... giving up to 500 HP a second healing in combat if they manage to stay in the form long enough to get 1000 ultimate..

additonal stuff if that is too much is making the heal per second capped at 15-20% of the players max health.

NobleX35

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

how about we just alter the bloodmoon passive like this...

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Recover Health While in werewolf form based current ultimate charge.

---

Using the following math to determine the hp per tick..

Every 1 second...

Player regains x% of their ultimate. using their level to determine X

so a level 50 (or any veteran level) player would regain 50% of their current ultimate each tick as HP... meaning if a player has 300 ultimate they would gain 150 per sec.

---

This change would make WW more powerful the longer you stay in the form... giving up to 500 HP a second healing in combat if they manage to stay in the form long enough to get 1000 ultimate..

additonal stuff if that is too much is making the heal per second capped at 15-20% of the players max health.

Thats definitely an interesting idea, though for balancing purposes I think some of the numbers might need to be changed. 150 hp a second is pretty high, maybe something more along the lines of 10% of current ultimate? This will also stack with the players current health regen rates. So a level 50 with 300 ultimate will gain 30 health back per second + w/e their in-combat health regen ticks for as well. At 1000 ultimate this would equate to 100 health + their ICHR.

I definitely think this is a better alternative to devour, since the amount of health you regen from devouring is less than the damage you take while devouring (assuming your in combat still) this is a good change that would boosts werewolves survivability.

NobleX35

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

how about we just alter the bloodmoon passive like this...

Blood Moon – Allows player to turn another player into a Werewolf once every 7 days by returning to the ritual site. Turned players earn the Werewolf skill line. Players infected with Vampirism cannot be turned.

Recover Health While in werewolf form based current ultimate charge.

---

Using the following math to determine the hp per tick..

Every 1 second...

Player regains x% of their ultimate. using their level to determine X

so a level 50 (or any veteran level) player would regain 50% of their current ultimate each tick as HP... meaning if a player has 300 ultimate they would gain 150 per sec.

---

This change would make WW more powerful the longer you stay in the form... giving up to 500 HP a second healing in combat if they manage to stay in the form long enough to get 1000 ultimate..

additonal stuff if that is too much is making the heal per second capped at 15-20% of the players max health.

Thats definitely an interesting idea, though for balancing purposes I think some of the numbers might need to be changed. 150 hp a second is pretty high, maybe something more along the lines of 10% of current ultimate? This will also stack with the players current health regen rates. So a level 50 with 300 ultimate will gain 30 health back per second + w/e their in-combat health regen ticks for as well. At 1000 ultimate this would equate to 100 health + their ICHR.

I definitely think this is a better alternative to devour, since the amount of health you regen from devouring is less than the damage you take while devouring (assuming your in combat still) this is a good change that would boosts werewolves survivability.