The more I go through these forums..

Arsenic_Touch

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Every complaint is, in a way, a compliment to the game. No one would bother to complain about a game they didn't love. They would just quit.

Which is funny when you think about some of the people that complain about complainers. When they tell people to quit instead of complaining about something is wrong.

They don't realize that their suggestion for people to quit is actually quite detrimental for the game. Without negative feedback for things that are broken or wrong for the game, the developers won't change anything.

While they have their own vision of things, if no one speaks up when something is going wrong, it's not going to change and things are never going to get better. I just wish the white knights on the board would get that through their heads.

ShedsHisTail

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Every complaint is, in a way, a compliment to the game. No one would bother to complain about a game they didn't love. They would just quit.

Which is funny when you think about some of the people that complain about complainers. When they tell people to quit instead of complaining about something is wrong.

They don't realize that their suggestion for people to quit is actually quite detrimental for the game. Without negative feedback for things that are broken or wrong for the game, the developers won't change anything.

While they have their own vision of things, if no one speaks up when something is going wrong, it's not going to change and things are never going to get better. I just wish the white knights on the board would get that through their heads.

Conversely, there are better ways to point out issues and bugs than raging out and threatening to take your business elsewhere.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Alright, I give up, excuse me for not being as skilled at English nor as politically correct as you. I simply made a post and as it turns out, I said some bad things and now I'm a hypocritical forum troll that complains about things just like everyone else.

I never called you a troll.

I was not trying to hurt your feelings.

I just wanted you to see that your were coming here of your own free will to read stuff that upsets you and you chose to go even deeper by attacking those people and then you are now upset one of those people defended themselves.

I'm sorry if I made you feel bad.

However, you did call people elitists and tell them they should stop complaining about the game when even you know there are issues to be fixed.

Thank you, you have enlightened me, and I bow down to your superiority. Can we end this now?

Sure.

Have a nice day.

Again you feel to need to show me how good you are at analyzing all my words and making sure to point out what I did wrong. It's OK, you've already won the internet for today, now can you stop that?

Blackimar

I'm in the middle of a bug that prevents me from being able to login and play right now. And just went though the giant losing all my slots and stuff bug.

That all being said. With *** a few key strokes away, I'm digging through the eso forum trying to get it all working again.

I should be on their marketing team. "ESO! slightly better than ***."

pysta

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

the more I wish that they would've just released an ES VI in 2016-2017. The amount of complaining, and straight up negative feedback from so many people really make me a little sad. I'm having a good time in the game myself so far (Cheers devs, you did a nice job, the not-as-frequent-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be bugs aside), but when I have a look at these forums it's just everyone taking the *** on the devs, the game, every little potentially bugged aspect of the game...
An MMO really brings a lot more problems with it than I expected, at least everyone else seems to find these problems to be really huge. I feel like this game is going to go into history as "that one messed up thing that we should all forget about", no matter how many improvements are made in the future.
The ES community always seemed to be a nice bunch of guys and gals all enjoying the game by themselves and sharing their positive experiences over the interwebz, now it seems to have evolved into a group of elitist trolls searching for bad stuff and complaining about it all the time. I know that those friendly people are still out there, they're just being a tad bit overwhelmed I think by these MMO vets that want it all fixed, and that want it fixed now.

If you look at my post here you can see I understand what you are saying and I tried to make a positive review but as you can see also people do not much care about positive... they prefer to see death, killing, carnage in the journal than happy things because it seem not entertaining to them...same thing here my friend.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103210/positive-review-feelings-about-eso-because-why-not#latest

ThreeEyedCrow

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

the more I wish that they would've just released an ES VI in 2016-2017. The amount of complaining, and straight up negative feedback from so many people really make me a little sad. I'm having a good time in the game myself so far (Cheers devs, you did a nice job, the not-as-frequent-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be bugs aside), but when I have a look at these forums it's just everyone taking the *** on the devs, the game, every little potentially bugged aspect of the game...
An MMO really brings a lot more problems with it than I expected, at least everyone else seems to find these problems to be really huge. I feel like this game is going to go into history as "that one messed up thing that we should all forget about", no matter how many improvements are made in the future.
The ES community always seemed to be a nice bunch of guys and gals all enjoying the game by themselves and sharing their positive experiences over the interwebz, now it seems to have evolved into a group of elitist trolls searching for bad stuff and complaining about it all the time. I know that those friendly people are still out there, they're just being a tad bit overwhelmed I think by these MMO vets that want it all fixed, and that want it fixed now.

For myself I still feel this is the best MMO I ever played.

I experienced probably worse bugs in ESO than most people posting but this is still a smoother experience than I had in most MMOs.

Age of Conan to me was awful at launch, I couldn't play more than a week. Vanguard was by far the worst MMO launch ever. Anyone here who thinks this launch was bad obviously never played Vanguard at launch. FF XIV I couldn't even log into their server for the first week and like once in 2 weeks. Lord of the Rings just had a horribly limited pvp design so I could care less if the PVE was smooth (I dont even remember doing much PVE in that before the game got tiresome). I abandoned that game fast. Asheron's Call had stability issues for years. I have had a lot of fun in smaller MMOs like Pirates of the Burning Sea had some really unique and fun aspects (pvp ship combat was awesome and no mmo ever did it like that) but overall this is still the best experience for me in an MMO in over 10 years of trying out MMO.

All of those MMOs were far, far worse experiences to me than ESO.

I believe some people have absolutely unrealistic expectations. They expected an MMO that ran as smoother as single player TES games. Thats impossible especially when they are trying a new system of "mega=servers" and phased zones rather than tried and true concepts like multiple servers. I applaud those efforts because for the first time EVER there is an MMO where it is possible to interact with EVERYONE who plays it not just the smaller group of people on your "server".

This makes it potentially the most epic MMO ever made.

MaxBat

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

True, but repeating the same problem over and over again, or directly attacking the devs/zenimax/the game/the playerbase is a bit too much. Some people just like to hate for the sake of hating, and I can't say that I haven't been guilty of that for some other games in the past.

If the suggestion is this behavior never happens on Bethesda forums because everyone gets along so well, then that suggestion is simply wrong (see the OP's original post). When Skyrim was released, the hate was pretty damn near lethal on a number of issues - including the lack of classes. (Don't take my word for it, you can still see some of the threads on the Bethesda forum.) That hate goes back to the removal of spears and short blades (from Oblivion), levitation and so on. Every release sees this type of behavior.

I've played TES games for over 10 years and own every one. I own multiple copies of Oblivion and Morrowind. I feel as if I've done my part to financially support the Bethesda franchise and have been a supporter and a fan of the francise up this point. Hell, I even paid over $100 for the collectors maps and materials for TESO.

And by now I've paid more for TESO than any video game than I've ever owned. And I still pay every month. I pre-ordered, paid the expensive price for pre-release, and entered a game that was pretty buggy - despite several betas to prevent this. Also, I've entered a game where little, if any, forethought was given to the kind of problems the game would face upon release (Gold spammers, bots, etc.) And while I waited for Zenimax to fix these things, they just released more content.

I am frustrated because I still pay a monthly fee to play this game. I'm glad you're having the experience of your life - really, I am - but I'm paying every month to play a game that doesn't even have an editable keybinding.ini or a list of completed quests. And neither of these things are difficult to implement; they were just left out - a clear sign of poor game design. (Neither of these issues are huge, but they are symptomatic of a larger problem ...)

Maybe the hate is overkill, but there are some frustrated people here - and they paid for the game, just like you did.

Lalai

The forum for any MMO in going to be negative. The one place in them that doesn't tend to be is usually an off topic section that isn't about the game at all. If the negativity bothers you (and I admit I've got to a point where I don't look here nearly as often as I did when the game launches), then I would recommend not visiting the forums for this, or any future MMOs you may play.

This forum is a pretty unwelcoming place for any who have anything positive to say about the game. Insults tend to be thrown around very frequently at anyone who mentions they're actually enjoying the game, or who thinks that Zeni is doing an okay job of handling bug fixes and the like.

Some people do have valid and constructive posts. Unfortunately they tend to be lost in the sea of "fix this or I quit" and "Zenimax is dumb, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fanboy" style posts. Some folks also seem to just be so teeming with hatred that I'm not sure why they're even still on the forums, save for maybe being part of the group that's literally trying to spread hate for the game. I can't remember which now, but when the game first launched there was actually a movement (started on youtube I think, by a streamer.. may have been MMORPG.com) to generate hate for the game.

Blackwidow

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Again you feel to need to show me how good you are at analyzing all my words and making sure to point out what I did wrong. It's OK, you've already won the internet for today, now can you stop that?

Why do you feel the need to keep complaining about my posts. Is it something that affects you in a negative way, so you feel compelled to come here and complain?

Wait, isn't that what you said this forum did not need?

Mablung

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

But are you not technically doing the same as what bugs you here on the forums? It is a vicious cycle to try and not come here and make posts of this nature. It basically equates to complaining about those who complain.

Surely we can make an exception for complaining about those that complain, and giving the devs a pat on the back?

Maybe initially, closer to launch day. Now however its just as tired as those complaining unconstructively about the game. It really offers nothing as a solution. The Mods have done a very good job in allowing people to vent about the game. It is the community who has done nothing constructive mostly when counter arguing or fanboi-ing it up.

I agree that there is a need for people to vent about their frustrations with the state of the game so long as it is constructive but for the most part on these forums it is not. It is all tantrum filled venom reflective of our culture in its worst form. Those who come here to honorably combat that by complaining about those people are only fanning the flames.

The solution would be to grab a post/quote and ask for specifics in such a way that you are offering them help as well as pointing out how childish/moronic they are sounding. It usually shuts them down.

What this current post does it brings out the trolls and monkeys and this thread eventually gets locked.

Forgive me for trying to be a bit positive, and trying to have a chat with some other nice people roaming the forums. Maybe this thread wasn't exactly the way, but I just wanted to state how I felt about what people are making the game seem like. Call me an idiot all you like, I had no intention of blowing the troll-calling warhorn

Did you read my post? I never implied that you are an idiot. I simply stated that what you are doing is relatively the same as what those complaining about the game are doing. It is not constructive in its current format.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with venting so long as it moves in a progressive direction. Try not to be overly emotional and sensitive.

RockSolidWiff

Vote for best MMO ever.

The game has had a few problems, many fixed, created some more, some still not fixed. Play the game for it is right now and it is fun.

I think it is great that anyone will take the time to post here why they are a having a problem with the game. If they are that upset then they want to play the game and that is good.

For all those flamers, that also profess to be a god of MMO's then I would expected them to follow up with a better idea or change that would solve the problem.

I have played basically all the MMO's, I find them fun only for a few weeks. The grind bores me to death and I find myself not playing. This has kept me engaged longer because of the depth of content and story.

Thank you for starting this thread.

Hostel_Striker

I'm at the forum because I was playing the game and all of a sudden the character load screen popped up while I was playing, now I cant get past that screen. I restarted my brand new PC, unplugged my internet and plugged it back in (its working fine), opened and closed the game client time after time as I try to log back on with no luck. All it does is say requesting character load..... and never goes past that point

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO

MaxBat wrote: »

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

True, but repeating the same problem over and over again, or directly attacking the devs/zenimax/the game/the playerbase is a bit too much. Some people just like to hate for the sake of hating, and I can't say that I haven't been guilty of that for some other games in the past.

If the suggestion is this behavior never happens on Bethesda forums because everyone gets along so well, then that suggestion is simply wrong (see the OP's original post). When Skyrim was released, the hate was pretty damn near lethal on a number of issues - including the lack of classes. (Don't take my word for it, you can still see some of the threads on the Bethesda forum.) That hate goes back to the removal of spears and short blades (from Oblivion), levitation and so on. Every release sees this type of behavior.

I've played TES games for over 10 years and own every one. I own multiple copies of Oblivion and Morrowind. I feel as if I've done my part to financially support the Bethesda franchise and have been a supporter and a fan of the francise up this point. Hell, I even paid over $100 for the collectors maps and materials for TESO.

And by now I've paid more for TESO than any video game than I've ever owned. And I still pay every month. I pre-ordered, paid the expensive price for pre-release, and entered a game that was pretty buggy - despite several betas to prevent this. Also, I've entered a game where little, if any, forethought was given to the kind of problems the game would face upon release (Gold spammers, bots, etc.) And while I waited for Zenimax to fix these things, they just released more content.

I am frustrated because I still pay a monthly fee to play this game. I'm glad you're having the experience of your life - really, I am - but I'm paying every month to play a game that doesn't even have an editable keybinding.ini or a list of completed quests. And neither of these things are difficult to implement; they were just left out - a clear sign of poor game design. (Neither of these issues are huge, but they are symptomatic of a larger problem ...)

Maybe the hate is overkill, but there are some frustrated people here - and they paid for the game, just like you did.

I certainly see where you are coming from, and the removal of features such as levitation, spellcrafting etc. has definitely enraged some old school ES players in the past and even now. And from an ES point of view, they have indeed yet again removed some things that were always nice to have. And while I'm aware that they have removed some things once again, it doesn't strike me as gamebreaking for the PvE content and I still feel as if I can play it like a singleplayer game, the public/group dungeons aside. But I do understand the frustration of ES players that got this game and just can't enjoy it, because they removed feature A or B that they really liked or just because of the fact that other players break their immersion sometimes. I'm hoping for you, myself and all the others that they'll add some of the things back that can work in an MMO context, making ESO more ES-ish is never a bad thing in my eyes.

babylon

People willing to discuss issues in any sphere are the ones who make things better for us all.

mutharex

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Every complaint is, in a way, a compliment to the game. No one would bother to complain about a game they didn't love. They would just quit.

Which is funny when you think about some of the people that complain about complainers. When they tell people to quit instead of complaining about something is wrong.

They don't realize that their suggestion for people to quit is actually quite detrimental for the game. Without negative feedback for things that are broken or wrong for the game, the developers won't change anything.

While they have their own vision of things, if no one speaks up when something is going wrong, it's not going to change and things are never going to get better. I just wish the white knights on the board would get that through their heads.

Conversely, there are better ways to point out issues and bugs than raging out and threatening to take your business elsewhere.

This. There is a bunch of drama queens raging hysterically on the forums (mostly because their class has been nerfed or something similar) that are of no help to anyone. Not to mention all the trolls that come out with comments meant to signify that the game is dead or failed. Those are useful as a broken condom...



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JoyEnergiser

Agh it's just depressing these forums isn't it? But if you want to be made aware of the latest news and how it affects you, you MUST read them.

All the crying and whining you could swear this game is full of children and butthurt little [snip].Seriously getting tired of it.

If you are not enjoying the game, [snip] off then, let the rest of us enjoy it.


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Digiman

While I agree that baseless complaining is useless, most the complaints issued by the customers are legitimate problems and generally concern the well being of the future for this game. Never before have I played an MMO launch of this triple AAA stature with so many bugs and problems, not even SWTOR. Some of which is so poor like the actors of important NPC's saying their lines with a completely different actors voice in such an unprofessional manner like Michael Gambon voice changing to Jim Cummings.

I do think its ironic that this game is worse in its own creators hands, considering they are known for pumping out their games with bugs that the gaming community like Kivan and Quarn who fix those problems in unofficial patches or other community programmers who create new content for free and of their own hours would be laughable if Zenimax wasn't charging premium fees of $15 dollars that most MMO's that have been out longer and fixed their issues like WoW were justified in charging, kept enraged me more.

I don't want this game to fail, but this lackluster of problems and issues that can't be addressed with in a month after launch and under two days of assigned maintenance as week should deter any new customers to this franchise.

Thankfully, Zenimax did the right thing by making mega servers to prevent popularity issues with hordes of players leaving this game. But looking at this launch the only attitude this company projects when playing this game is laziness and greed. MMO's are hard work and not instant cash cows, but Zenimax has resigned itself to thinking it can coast by while collecting cash. The really sad thing is that if this MMO fails you can be sure Zenimax won't release another or may end up closing shop because of how much money they would lose when creating this game.

TL;DR

Get you act together Zenimax, Kivan and Quarn aren't going to fix up your mistakes so quit thinking this is a free meal for instant money and put some proper work into fixing this mess.

Volsh

I cancelled my subs a month ago amid all the bugs,bots and negative aspects of the game believing theses issue would be addressed but all i see on the forums is a never ending list of problems.

My intention was to re-sub when i believe ZOS have address the majority of issues stated by forum posts but that seems a long way off from what i've read so far which is a shame as i had high hopes for this game and couldnt wait to find a source away from Warcraft

Catflinger

Just another one reiterating that the General Discussion section on all MMO forums is always full of dissatisfied, whiney, flamey, trolly people -- and those who are perversely entertained by them.

Phantorang

In some time, most of the players that demands instant fixes and instant vr12+ content will be gone. IF ZOS dont do anything to try and satisfy them. ZOS please try to keep content for 90% of the player base keep on coming, those that run through it will get bored no matter what you do and move on. Which in turn will make the community alot better, The Secret World is an example of super nice community.

andersan

Catflinger wrote: »

Just another one reiterating that the General Discussion section on all MMO forums is always full of dissatisfied, whiney, flamey, trolly people -- and those who are perversely entertained by them.

Here are the general forums for the most popular MMO.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/984270/

Look at ALL those dissatisfied customers. It's very simple. There are more bugs, exploits, server issues, class imbalances, and general bad things in ESO than there should be given the time and money put into this game.

Hell I don't even like or play WoW anymore but it's very clear that Zenimax should never have released this game given the current state of it. STOP apologizing for them. They should be apologizing to us themselves.

I'll reiterate that I would LOVE this game if everything worked the way it should.

Arsenic_Touch

You'd actually have an argument if their general subforum was the same as this general subforum. They have a feedback and bug report section, this is the bug report and feedback section of ESO essentially. Were you around for vanilla wow when it launched? this is a cake walk compared to that train wreck.

andersan

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

You'd actually have an argument if their general subforum was the same as this general subforum. They have a feedback and bug report section, this is the bug report and feedback section of ESO essentially. Were you around for vanilla wow when it launched? this is a cake walk compared to that train wreck.

I was. They had very FEW separate issues and the most serious was capacity due to the extreme popularity of the game. Don't lie and say it was any worse.

Orizuru

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

the more I wish that they would've just released an ES VI in 2016-2017. The amount of complaining, and straight up negative feedback from so many people really make me a little sad. I'm having a good time in the game myself so far (Cheers devs, you did a nice job, the not-as-frequent-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be bugs aside), but when I have a look at these forums it's just everyone taking the *** on the devs, the game, every little potentially bugged aspect of the game...
An MMO really brings a lot more problems with it than I expected, at least everyone else seems to find these problems to be really huge. I feel like this game is going to go into history as "that one messed up thing that we should all forget about", no matter how many improvements are made in the future.
The ES community always seemed to be a nice bunch of guys and gals all enjoying the game by themselves and sharing their positive experiences over the interwebz, now it seems to have evolved into a group of elitist trolls searching for bad stuff and complaining about it all the time. I know that those friendly people are still out there, they're just being a tad bit overwhelmed I think by these MMO vets that want it all fixed, and that want it fixed now.

I've heard this same doom and gloom story on every MMO that I've played at launch. Including the vaulted WoW so many like to compare things to.

/shrug

C'est la vie.

Soloeus

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

the more I wish that they would've just released an ES VI in 2016-2017. The amount of complaining, and straight up negative feedback from so many people really make me a little sad.

Sad? Go have a cry cry.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm having a good time in the game myself so far (Cheers devs, you did a nice job, the not-as-frequent-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be bugs aside), but when I have a look at these forums it's just everyone taking the *** on the devs, the game, every little potentially bugged aspect of the game...

That is because there are a lot of problems from broken quests, broken abilities (as in, don't work), Ebonheart has several dungeons that don't give the Skill Point (from special boss). Dark Talons is overpowered, Crushing Glyphs can overcome ALL armor. There are a lot of issues, actually. And people are upset with stupid decisions by the devs like nerfing dungeon loot. This forces you to railroad through a linear means in order to get the most reward.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

An MMO really brings a lot more problems with it than I expected, at least everyone else seems to find these problems to be really huge. I feel like this game is going to go into history as "that one messed up thing that we should all forget about", no matter how many improvements are made in the future.

And you finally are right for something. These are serious problems and there is a high chance this game will be dead in 3 years, known as the Palsy Baby of Elder Scrolls and the worst MMO mechanics from diminishing returns on looting to forced gameplay styles.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

The ES community always seemed to be a nice bunch of guys and gals all enjoying the game by themselves and sharing their positive experiences over the interwebz, now it seems to have evolved into a group of elitist trolls searching for bad stuff and complaining about it all the time. I know that those friendly people are still out there, they're just being a tad bit overwhelmed I think by these MMO vets that want it all fixed, and that want it fixed now.

Elitist trolls? This is the same crowd that there has always been, in a recent poll on "what was your first ES" the Daggerfall/Morrowind audience was over 60% of the vote. These are true fans making real complaints.

And we get bullied by Astroturfers, Apologists and Trolls whenever we do complain about real things.

And we are overwhelmed by the many faults from stupid design choices (1-5 item bar, diminishing returns loot, rapid gear decay, lack of auction house, lack of a means to duel players in your own faction). We are also overwhelmed by bots and exploiters who are benefiting from the ill-gotten gains of first month exploiters of farming FG boss.

mutharex

andersan wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Just another one reiterating that the General Discussion section on all MMO forums is always full of dissatisfied, whiney, flamey, trolly people -- and those who are perversely entertained by them.

Here are the general forums for the most popular MMO.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/984270/

Look at ALL those dissatisfied customers. It's very simple. There are more bugs, exploits, server issues, class imbalances, and general bad things in ESO than there should be given the time and money put into this game.

Hell I don't even like or play WoW anymore but it's very clear that Zenimax should never have released this game given the current state of it. STOP apologizing for them. They should be apologizing to us themselves.

I'll reiterate that I would LOVE this game if everything worked the way it should.

Maybe looking at WoW forums in the first 6 months (hell even 6 years) of life would have been a less ridiculous attempt

ferzalrwb17_ESO

JoyEnergiser wrote: »

If you are not enjoying the game, [snip] off then, let the rest of us enjoy it.

Comments like this are short-sighted. If people are complaining on here then, usually, they care and want to play.

Telling them to go away is just kicking yourself in the rear. The real problem is the people who are doing what you recommend. And there are many, many people leaving. This isn't an ES single player game so don't treat it like one. It requires a subscription base to remain alive or go... gasp... to free to play (or dead). No one wants that. No one.

All of the things that are badly busted like class imbalances and crazy pvp lag are the kinds of things that make or break this game. No fix: no future.

andersan

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Comments like this are short-sighted. If people are complaining on here then, usually, they care and want to play.

Telling them to go away is just kicking yourself in the rear. The real problem is the people who are doing what you recommend. And there are many, many people leaving. This isn't an ES single player game so don't treat it like one. It requires a subscription base to remain alive or go... gasp... to free to play (or dead). No one wants that. No one.

All of the things that are badly busted like class imbalances and crazy pvp lag are the kinds of things that make or break this game. No fix: no future.

It's actually fine. The majority leaves (with them the gold farming bots that also keep the game afloat) and they are left with each other on a dead server, with nobody to PVP with because Cyrodiil is so massive, and very few people to group with. The revenue stream will die and with it any substantial updates to the game. Then they'll eventually leave and blame it on the majority that just "didn't get" this awesome game because they just like to complain.

Telling people with legitimate gripes to leave is probably the dumbest thing you can do. Keep on living with your head deep down in that sand because in the end you will be the ones to suffer more so than those that left long before you.

Indarqeen

this is only the second mmorpg forum I write on in all my life guess with this game I have felt the need

Turial

All those wonderfully positive people are in game enjoying themselves lol, that's why. You only get trolls on the forums or sometimes the positive few who can't play but follow the forums on their phone or while at work since it is their only forum time since they actually play the game when they are free :P Hence why you will always see more negativity on the forums, best advice can give you for any game is get into a guild asap, turn off zone chat and stay away from the forums if you truly want to just enjoy the game you are playing.