Racial Motifs Building List

Blackrim

Here I will post various Motifs and styles that we as a group would like to see in the future. The first motif being the Maromer armor which I find completely spectacular. Please post Motifs that you would like in the game I will add them to the bulleted list below.

• Maormer
• Goblins
• Snow Elves
• Celestials
• Ayleids
• Dwemer
• Akavir
• Chimer
• Glass [Ornamental]
• Blades (don't know if this is akavir because the blades originated from akavir warriors)
• Vampires
• Werewolves
• Nede
• Giants
• Draugr (Ancient Nord)
• Falmer (Degenerated Snow Elves)
• Aedra (possibly in the future)
• Dragon (Possibly in the future on Akavir)
• Multiple styles of other races such as Argonian 1, Argonian 2, and Argonian 3 to provide uniqueness something this game lacks with armor styles and character voices.
• Tsaesci
• Stalhrim (Skaal)
• Amber
• Ehlnofey

Veruka

Ayleids and Ancient Elf are almost the same I believe.

Blackrim

Maybe

Turial

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

UrQuan

Yeah, I'm not clear on whether the existing Ancient Elf motif is supposed to represent the style of the Ayleids (ie. the founders of the Ayleid empire) or the Aldmer (ie. the predecessors to the Altmer). Whichever one it's not supposed to represent I'd like to see a motif for.

kirnmalidus

Veruka wrote: »

Ayleids and Ancient Elf are almost the same I believe.

Yes, Ancient Elf is an Ayleid motif. In the world when you encounter skeletons in Ayleid ruins they are wearing the Ancient Elf armor.

kirnmalidus

Turial wrote: »

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

Snow Elves and Falmer are not the same thing. Falmer are the degenerate descendents of snow elves forced to live underground for generations. Real snow elves are much more similar to Altmer than Falmer.

KriHavok

Some of the Racial Motifs you have listed already exist:

- Ayleids - Ancient Elves Racial Motif
- Goblins - Primal Racial Motif

Other than that, I see no reason why we can't have the other motifs, I was actually surprised why a Celestial Racial Motif wasn't included in the Craglorn patch.

Blackrim

Turial wrote: »

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

Falmer don't exist yet, they are very very far underground still going through the twisting process and have yet to be seen by adventures.

UrQuan

Blackrim wrote: »

Turial wrote: »

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

Falmer don't exist yet, they are very very far underground still going through the twisting process and have yet to be seen by adventures.

That's not true. Snow Elves became the Falmer that we know while they were slaves to the Dwemer. The process had already begun by the second or third century of the first era, when the Dwemer made them eat toxic fungi which made them blind. Even if it took generations for them to become twisted into what they are today (as some believe - others believe it was more or less a sudden transformation brought on by the toxins), they still would have spent about 500 years (or more) as slaves of the Dwemer, so it's likely that the process was complete before the disappearance of the Dwemer. Heck, even if they hadn't completely transformed by the time the Dwemer were gone they still would have had about 3000 years more to turn into the twisted Falmer before the time of ESO. We also know that by the time period of the game Skyrim, the Falmer have raided the surface of Skyrim for thousands of years (although most considered them a myth for some of that time), and ESO is set about 1000 years prior to that. Therefore we know that they're already twisted.

AlexDougherty

Blackrim wrote: »

Here I will post various Motifs and styles that we as a group would like to see in the future. The first motif being the Maromer armor which I find completely spectacular. Please post Motifs that you would like in the game I will add them to the bulleted list below.

• Maromer
• Goblins
• Snow Elves
• Celestials
• Ayleids
• Dwemer
• Akavir
• Chimer
• Glass [Ornamental]
• Blades (don't know if this is akavir because the blades originated from akavir warriors)
• Vampires
• Werewolves
• Nede
• Giants
• Draugr (Ancient Nord)

Blades and Akiviri would be the same Racial Motif, because as you suspected the Blades are derived from the Akiviri Dragonguard.
Vampires and Werewolves are not a culture in and of themselves so wouldn't have a Racial Motif.
Draugr are Nordic, so would use Nordic Racial Motifs.
Glass is a style and so wouldn't be a Racial Motif.

I would suggest both Snow Elves and Falmer, I know Falmer might not have fully developed their Culture (such as it is) but I would like to see their Armour. I also want to see the original Snow Elves Armour (and robes), which should look quite nice and elegant.

dodgehopper_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Blackrim wrote: »

Here I will post various Motifs and styles that we as a group would like to see in the future. The first motif being the Maromer armor which I find completely spectacular. Please post Motifs that you would like in the game I will add them to the bulleted list below.

• Maromer
• Goblins
• Snow Elves
• Celestials
• Ayleids
• Dwemer
• Akavir
• Chimer
• Glass [Ornamental]
• Blades (don't know if this is akavir because the blades originated from akavir warriors)
• Vampires
• Werewolves
• Nede
• Giants
• Draugr (Ancient Nord)

Blades and Akiviri would be the same Racial Motif, because as you suspected the Blades are derived from the Akiviri Dragonguard.
Vampires and Werewolves are not a culture in and of themselves so wouldn't have a Racial Motif.
Draugr are Nordic, so would use Nordic Racial Motifs.
Glass is a style and so wouldn't be a Racial Motif.

I would suggest both Snow Elves and Falmer, I know Falmer might not have fully developed their Culture (such as it is) but I would like to see their Armour. I also want to see the original Snow Elves Armour (and robes), which should look quite nice and elegant.

Actually Draugr is Ancient Nordic, which is different than modern Nordic. This is like saying Ancient Elven is unnecessary because we have modern elven armor. Its nonsense even on its face. You're talking about an era that predates the Dragon Priests, and you don't think there are different styles of armor?

Glass armor would also be nice, as it has been an elven style for a very long time.

I believe Chimer armor would have looked a lot like Ancient Elven. It wasn't until the Dissidents actually settled Morrowind that they began to adapt and craft things like Bonemould and Chitin armor. I seem to remember one of the lore books discussing how Bonemould was invented, a rather macabre tale if memory serves, where one group of elves was under siege and starving.

Blackrim

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Blackrim wrote: »

Turial wrote: »

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

Falmer don't exist yet, they are very very far underground still going through the twisting process and have yet to be seen by adventures.

That's not true. Snow Elves became the Falmer that we know while they were slaves to the Dwemer. The process had already begun by the second or third century of the first era, when the Dwemer made them eat toxic fungi which made them blind. Even if it took generations for them to become twisted into what they are today (as some believe - others believe it was more or less a sudden transformation brought on by the toxins), they still would have spent about 500 years (or more) as slaves of the Dwemer, so it's likely that the process was complete before the disappearance of the Dwemer. Heck, even if they hadn't completely transformed by the time the Dwemer were gone they still would have had about 3000 years more to turn into the twisted Falmer before the time of ESO. We also know that by the time period of the game Skyrim, the Falmer have raided the surface of Skyrim for thousands of years (although most considered them a myth for some of that time), and ESO is set about 1000 years prior to that. Therefore we know that they're already twisted.

Then where are they? Your statement is true with the Falmer twisting process, I will agree with that but the 1000 years prior I don't know yet because I haven't seen any of them in the ebonheart pact

Blackrim

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Blackrim wrote: »

Here I will post various Motifs and styles that we as a group would like to see in the future. The first motif being the Maromer armor which I find completely spectacular. Please post Motifs that you would like in the game I will add them to the bulleted list below.

• Maromer
• Goblins
• Snow Elves
• Celestials
• Ayleids
• Dwemer
• Akavir
• Chimer
• Glass [Ornamental]
• Blades (don't know if this is akavir because the blades originated from akavir warriors)
• Vampires
• Werewolves
• Nede
• Giants
• Draugr (Ancient Nord)

Blades and Akiviri would be the same Racial Motif, because as you suspected the Blades are derived from the Akiviri Dragonguard.
Vampires and Werewolves are not a culture in and of themselves so wouldn't have a Racial Motif.
Draugr are Nordic, so would use Nordic Racial Motifs.
Glass is a style and so wouldn't be a Racial Motif.

I would suggest both Snow Elves and Falmer, I know Falmer might not have fully developed their Culture (such as it is) but I would like to see their Armour. I also want to see the original Snow Elves Armour (and robes), which should look quite nice and elegant.

I said racial motifs and styles

And Werewolves and Vampires do have their own classification of armor, such as wolf armor and vampire armor in skyrim (Unique designs)

Blackrim

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Blackrim wrote: »

Here I will post various Motifs and styles that we as a group would like to see in the future. The first motif being the Maromer armor which I find completely spectacular. Please post Motifs that you would like in the game I will add them to the bulleted list below.

• Maromer
• Goblins
• Snow Elves
• Celestials
• Ayleids
• Dwemer
• Akavir
• Chimer
• Glass [Ornamental]
• Blades (don't know if this is akavir because the blades originated from akavir warriors)
• Vampires
• Werewolves
• Nede
• Giants
• Draugr (Ancient Nord)

Blades and Akiviri would be the same Racial Motif, because as you suspected the Blades are derived from the Akiviri Dragonguard.
Vampires and Werewolves are not a culture in and of themselves so wouldn't have a Racial Motif.
Draugr are Nordic, so would use Nordic Racial Motifs.
Glass is a style and so wouldn't be a Racial Motif.

I would suggest both Snow Elves and Falmer, I know Falmer might not have fully developed their Culture (such as it is) but I would like to see their Armour. I also want to see the original Snow Elves Armour (and robes), which should look quite nice and elegant.

Actually Draugr is Ancient Nordic, which is different than modern Nordic. This is like saying Ancient Elven is unnecessary because we have modern elven armor. Its nonsense even on its face. You're talking about an era that predates the Dragon Priests, and you don't think there are different styles of armor?

Glass armor would also be nice, as it has been an elven style for a very long time.

I believe Chimer armor would have looked a lot like Ancient Elven. It wasn't until the Dissidents actually settled Morrowind that they began to adapt and craft things like Bonemould and Chitin armor. I seem to remember one of the lore books discussing how Bonemould was invented, a rather macabre tale if memory serves, where one group of elves was under siege and starving.

Still keeping Blades on the list because they "Separated" somewhat from their own culture

eNumbra

It is easy to suppose that Falmer is the proper name for the Snow Elves, like Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer and Orsimer are for their respective races. In Skyrim the Snow Elf armor was a bleached Ebony design IIRC, so it could use a redo if it were added.

The Maomer currently wear Ancient Elven armor and the Nedes being Ancient Nords, would probably share the Draugr style, which would simply resemble the Ancient Nordic style from Skyrim. Giants don't seem to wear much more than a few wraps and a loin cloth so doing a whole style for them seems silly as we never see them in armor.

Blackrim

eNumbra wrote: »

It is easy to suppose that Falmer is the proper name for the Snow Elves, like Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer and Orsimer are for their respective races. In Skyrim the Snow Elf armor was a bleached Ebony design IIRC, so it could use a redo if it were added.

The Maomer currently wear Ancient Elven armor and the Nedes being Ancient Nords, would probably share the Draugr style, which would simply resemble the Ancient Nordic style from Skyrim. Giants don't seem to wear much more than a few wraps and a loin cloth so doing a whole style for them seems silly as we never see them in armor.

These are only suggestions my friend, keep the mind wondering.
And don't forget nede's could wear varieties in armor. as the Draugr were apart of the dragon cult and some nede's were not.

AlexDougherty

The Skaals of Solstheim (dragonborn DLC) had a look of their own, that might be worth adding.

eNumbra

Blackrim wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

It is easy to suppose that Falmer is the proper name for the Snow Elves, like Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer and Orsimer are for their respective races. In Skyrim the Snow Elf armor was a bleached Ebony design IIRC, so it could use a redo if it were added.

The Maomer currently wear Ancient Elven armor and the Nedes being Ancient Nords, would probably share the Draugr style, which would simply resemble the Ancient Nordic style from Skyrim. Giants don't seem to wear much more than a few wraps and a loin cloth so doing a whole style for them seems silly as we never see them in armor.

These are only suggestions my friend, keep the mind wondering.

Didn't mean to sound as if I was smacking you down, just pointing out lore based reasons to condense the list.

I'd love to see the Dwemer style return, personally, even though I rarely wear heavy armor.

And we may see the Akaviri style at some point in the future already - similar designs already exist in game.

Blackrim

AlexDougherty wrote: »

The Skaals of Solstheim (dragonborn DLC) had a look of their own, that might be worth adding.

Was thinking about the stalhrim gear

eNumbra

Blackrim wrote: »

as the Draugr were apart of the dragon cult and some nede's were not.

The Draugr were not all Dragon cultists, as they were found in nordic barrows and tombs did and didn't belong to Dragon Priests.

I did also, really like the Nordic Carved armor set from one of the skyrim addons. That needs to make a return.

Mathias.vikenb16_ESO

The styggar medium armour set is ancient nordic style. And i think that the ancient elf style is the same as glass style since i have never heard they talk about the ayleids in the elder scrolls V skyrim... Maby they are forgotten and they just call the armor style for glass style idk..... And btw, chinmer are the same as dunmer. Azura cursed the chinmer so they became the dunmer.

LunaRae

Nice list - I would definitely love to see all these styles implemented for variety - which is somewhat lacking right now.

eNumbra

Mathias.vikenb16_ESO wrote: »

And i think that the ancient elf style is the same as glass style since i have never heard they talk about the ayleids in the elder scrolls V skyrim.

Skyrim was populated by the Falmer(Snow Elves) and Dunmer - though the Ayleids populated a number of Tamrielic provinces Skyrim was not one of them; that's the only reason there isn't any mention of them in Skyrim. The Altmer scheme in ESO shares elements from Skyrim's Elven and Glass designs.

AngryNord

-Ancient Nord
-Akaviri/Blades
-Orcish
-Falmer

Those are already defined in lore so should be fairly easy to include

Xnemesis

It would be cool to see a nice light, medium, and heavy variant for glass, stalhrim, and amber armor and weapon types. They could make the stalhrim armor ancient Skaal motif, the glass could be Buoyant Armigers motif, and amber could be Dumag gro-Bonk's Motiff. Just a thought but lore wise I believe that all fits together its just a matter of making the time lines fit together to not destroy any lore. I know Dumag gro-bonk is the only one who could create amber armor but to make it fit in our timeline they could make it so its learned from an ancestor of his. any thoughts?

UrQuan

Blackrim wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Blackrim wrote: »

Turial wrote: »

If we ask for Snow Elf armor then let us just create a Falmer character :P

Falmer don't exist yet, they are very very far underground still going through the twisting process and have yet to be seen by adventures.

That's not true. Snow Elves became the Falmer that we know while they were slaves to the Dwemer. The process had already begun by the second or third century of the first era, when the Dwemer made them eat toxic fungi which made them blind. Even if it took generations for them to become twisted into what they are today (as some believe - others believe it was more or less a sudden transformation brought on by the toxins), they still would have spent about 500 years (or more) as slaves of the Dwemer, so it's likely that the process was complete before the disappearance of the Dwemer. Heck, even if they hadn't completely transformed by the time the Dwemer were gone they still would have had about 3000 years more to turn into the twisted Falmer before the time of ESO. We also know that by the time period of the game Skyrim, the Falmer have raided the surface of Skyrim for thousands of years (although most considered them a myth for some of that time), and ESO is set about 1000 years prior to that. Therefore we know that they're already twisted.

Then where are they? Your statement is true with the Falmer twisting process, I will agree with that but the 1000 years prior I don't know yet because I haven't seen any of them in the ebonheart pact

They'd be way less common and harder to find than they were in Skyrim. For a long time they were rare enough on the surface and well enough hidden below the surface that they were considered a myth by most people - the Nords blamed almost anything bad on them, but they were still generally considered a myth. I wouldn't be surprised if they make an appearance in ESO, but they sure shouldn't be something that you see a lot of.

Rosveen

It's Maormer, not Maromer.

Glass is a material, not a style.

What is dragon armor and Aedra armor?

Capjack01

ok, Im really kind of liking these ideas. I have one character in particular that would just rock the Falmer look. while the various styles mix and match really well in ESO, I would always welcome some more primitive looks.

Xnemesis

Rosveen wrote: »

It's Maormer, not Maromer.

Glass is a material, not a style.

What is dragon armor and Aedra armor?

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Buoyant_Armigers

The Buoyant Armigers are a group of Tribunal serving guards, whose base of operation is the Ghostgate and seem to follow and serve Imperial Law in this setting. They are guards of pilgrims as well as warriors that help keep the blighted creatures from invading Vvardenfell, which they have had limited success at.[1] They wear Chitin Armor, and members of higher up may wear Glass and Daedric Armor.

Glass armor seems to be the unofficial armor of the Buoyant Armigers.

eNumbra

From what I'm reading it seems like the higher ranked Buoyant Armigers use both Daedric and Glass armors. It's not a style thing for them, they simply get better armor because of their importance.

Everything I can find in the lore points to Glass being related to the Altmer.