So when will u give us real endgame update, cause recent 1 is a joke?

Aimfru

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

Istyar

Well, you have to understand that the game has almost 2 months, its fresh and and there is a lot of content to be released.
Most of us liked the last update. It's a huge area dude!

Manoekin

The only groups farming trials are only doing the first bosses and not going any further because they can't complete it. Only like 5 guilds have cleared the easier of the two trials NA side, and two have cleared Hel Ra which is markedly more difficult. Even if you think the mechanics aren't difficult, try to get the best time and see how difficult that is.

I don't understand how if these are so easy why aren't more guilds completing them?

williambbechtoldub17_ESO

I rly thnk u shld spk engrish btr...my brain hurt.

JosephChip

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.

Aimfru wrote: »

Game launch was biggest failure in years

Ahahah, good one! Your sarcasm is out of control man!

Halrloprillalar

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

Bye.

CapuchinSeven

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years.

You've not played many MMOs. It wasn't perfect but I've seen far far far worse.

Madval

Fabulous game. I love it. Don't see what's wrong.

ArRashid

Another one of "those" people that exploited their way to the max level a week after launch expecting WoW-amount of content?

Go home... You should have exped the same speed as everyone else, and you'd just hit craglorn now. Those of us that rerolled from unplayable class after reaching first VRs (ahem, NB) are not even in VR levels with new mains.

Drakoleon

Its a HUGE game and its NEW !!! Buggggs i can tolorate corrections too, wrong "nerfing" or "buffing" maybe ones (they destroy my S/S templar completely)
LAGS SPIKES bottlernecks whatever they call it (no idea about those things) I CAN NOT ACCEPT (EU player)
PVP absolutely not interesting for now maybe after a year when the game will be mature and skills perks etc have been finalized(I tryed though when vampires were killing 5-10 opponents for fun)
Craglorn??? For me its a Jock I can hardly play the regular dungeons with all those lags spikes
My opinion is that THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER but it should be OPEN BETA still.....
For me 10 days more to go and i ll be back when the EU server comes to EU...
Hopefully Bethesda will "compensate" especially the EU pionners for our patience for sure

EliteZ

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

Have YOU played through the trials? Have YOU cleared it within 12 minutes? Yes there are people that have done it in extremely quick times, but those are probably people that was farming it day in and day out on PTS to try and get their times down as quick as possible. They are prob all lvl V12 with BiS gear with the best classes and can't even enjoy the content because they are getting pushed to do it so quickly. That or they have discoverer some bug/glitch that allows them to clear it so fast. There are 4 bosses, to clear it in 12 minutes would mean 3 minutes a boss which I doubt they have done legit when you take trash and running into account.

Furthermore, if they are too easy, they can adjust the difficulty as freely as they want until they find the right balance for people to enjoy.

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kaosodin

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years.

You've not played many MMOs. It wasn't perfect but I've seen far far far worse.

This

Synfaer

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

Lets be Honest....Zenimax should have designed this game specifically for you.
Forget everyone else, we all agree that you are the most important person on this planet, period. We all bow to your obvious superiority in all matters to do with MMO gaming and your exceptional skill in defeating anything the devs can throw at you.
If you are currently bored; I have heard that Dark Souls 2 offers some challenge, or maybe Eve Online if you want an MMO you can't beat in a few days.

Oh...and please close the door on your way out. Ciao.

stungateb14_ESO

This is not a pve end game rpg your end game was to fight for the Ruby Throne not slaying npc's its sad when people buy a game not knowing what they purchased its disgusting when developers dont know what there own game is.

Once again I find myself playing a Matt Firor game that has absolutely no direction. It reminds me of professional sport teams that constantly recycle the same old losing coaches wtf do these owners think some how or another they will start to win.

indytims_ESO

Seriously, dude - take a step back. Take a break. Cancel your sub. Then maybe take some language/writing classes. Then a few months down the road when you're bored of plowing through the next MMO, come back and try it again to see if the game has been fixed to your liking?
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Istyar

Synfaer wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

Lets be Honest....Zenimax should have designed this game specifically for you.
Forget everyone else, we all agree that you are the most important person on this planet, period. We all bow to your obvious superiority in all matters to do with MMO gaming and your exceptional skill in defeating anything the devs can throw at you.
If you are currently bored; I have heard that Dark Souls 2 offers some challenge, or maybe Eve Online if you want an MMO you can't beat in a few days.

Oh...and please close the door on your way out. Ciao.

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aleister

Drakoleon wrote: »

My opinion is that THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER but it should be OPEN BETA still.....

Agreed it has a lot of potential and as a big TES fan, I keeping holding out hope it will get better (I pre-paid way too much, so not much choice here). It should have been an open beta for another three months or so to get better class balance and fix some of the worst bugs, but it would still have been sorely lacking in content. Veteran levels? It's like they played the first 50 levels and realized too late "oh crap, that's not nearly enough content for an MMO -- I know, we'll retread the other factions' gopher-quests as end-game content!"

Laura

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silent88b14_ESO

Can't have an end game in an MMO. You can have an end game in checkers, go look there.

aleister

silent88b14_ESO wrote: »

Can't have an end game in an MMO. You can have an end game in checkers, go look there.

You know what "endgame" means in an MMO context.

XILoKoIX

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Monkeyshoeslive

williambbechtoldub17_ESO wrote: »

I rly thnk u shld spk engrish btr...my brain hurt.

Once again I wish there was a super dooper mega agree button

samcharles77_ESO

Game launch was the biggest failure in years? Not even close to some of the fiascos I have seen in MMO launches. Age of Conan had headless NPCs and practically non-existent gameplay beyond the starter zones. Vanguard had a nasty zone rubber-banding issue. I could go on but won't.

The worst launch issue I saw in ESO was people losing all the items in their bank chests. It was honestly a pretty big ball of wax. However, the issue was fixed and players were given gold as compensation for item loss. (Not sure if all players received this but I know at least some did.)

ESO's launch and the issues they went with it were actually pretty standard.

JD2013

What is it with this obsession with "End game"? Can people not focus on the actual game rather than burning through the content and grinding it all, and complaining there's nothing more to do? They don't create a huge game world, record hours of dialogue, fill the world with quests etcetera just to be skipped over.

Things like WoW have had 10 years to add content, this hasn't even had three months. People rage and expect far too much and they must have it now or else they will throw tantrums. There are far bigger things to get angry about.

And as for saying the launch was the biggest failure in years . . . Don't make me chuckle. I've seen *far* worse than ESO's launch.

Lucifer108

JD2013 wrote: »

What is it with this obsession with "End game"? Can people not focus on the actual game rather than burning through the content and grinding it all, and complaining there's nothing more to do? They don't create a huge game world, record hours of dialogue, fill the world with quests etcetera just to be skipped over.

Things like WoW have had 10 years to add content, this hasn't even had three months. People rage and expect far too much and they must have it now or else they will throw tantrums. There are far bigger things to get angry about.

And as for saying the launch was the biggest failure in years . . . Don't make me chuckle. I've seen *far* worse than ESO's launch.

I still cant believe i am seeing posts like this 2 months after launch. It has been 2 months since, and majority of the population is in veteran content now. Lets see how u feel when u hit the level cap and see if u can find enough things to kill time while waiting on content. Problem is there isnt anything to do unless you want to grind for gold. No goal to strive towards , no loot or gear to look forward to and no fun achievements to complete . Ofc unless u want to play laggy pvp which ofc has no good rewards of its own.

No one is even comparing this game content wise to wow. But there was absolutely no end game (dont be pedantic and say MMOs have no endgame) at launch and the 1.1.2 released nothing fun to occupy people for even a few days.
Precisely why i think Wildstar is going to be more successful .Maybe it isnt a better game , but it definitely has more variety of content and more honest Devs.

JD2013

Lucifer108 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

What is it with this obsession with "End game"? Can people not focus on the actual game rather than burning through the content and grinding it all, and complaining there's nothing more to do? They don't create a huge game world, record hours of dialogue, fill the world with quests etcetera just to be skipped over.

Things like WoW have had 10 years to add content, this hasn't even had three months. People rage and expect far too much and they must have it now or else they will throw tantrums. There are far bigger things to get angry about.

And as for saying the launch was the biggest failure in years . . . Don't make me chuckle. I've seen *far* worse than ESO's launch.

I still cant believe i am seeing posts liek this 2 months after launch. It has been 2 months since and majority of the population is in veteran content now. Lets see how u feel when u hit the level cap. Problem is there isnt anything to do unless you want to grind. No goal to strive towards , no loot or gear to look forward to and no fun achievements to complete .

No one is even comparing this game content wise to wow. But there was absolutely no end game (dont be pedantic and say MMOs have no endgame) at launch and the 1.1.2 released nothing fun to occupy people for even a few days.
Precisely why i think Wildstar is going to be more successful .Maybe it isnt a better game , but it definitely has more variety of content and more honest Devs.

Of course MMO's have endgame content. They absolutely do. But it seems to me that if you're going to rush through it, you're going to be bored. I have only also been in Cyrodiil once very briefly since Beta. I'm having too much fun questing and exploring the world, crafting, collecting lore books and skyshards, and doing the odd dungeon with people.

I won't be hitting the level cap for at least a couple more months as I personally can only play a couple of hours maybe three/four times a week as I have work, an SO to keep happy, friends to meet up with etcetera. By which time there will be more content (every 6 - 8 weeks I think they stated).

And posts like what exactly? That you probably shouldn't burn through the content? Apologies. I didn't realise I wasn't allowed a differing opinion.

Sandhya

Craglorn content is fine, group challenges are fine, difficulty level is unneccessarily high solely due to latency and unresponsiveness of the game. When latency is good (by ESO standards that means you are hitting 120-150ms... sad but true) the trials require attention and group synergy to complete smoothly.

Since 1.1 already bumped up the 'cap' to VR12 I'm sure that in the greater picture this is being FAR from real end game content. And seeing as how quickly we are pushing through content, there is no doubt in my mind we'll go as high as VR50 in due time.

So I don't see this whole argument of 'end game' at all. Craglorn's just another step forward to it.

Lucifer108

Sandhya wrote: »

Craglorn content is fine, group challenges are fine, difficulty level is unneccessarily high solely due to latency and unresponsiveness of the game. When latency is good (by ESO standards that means you are hitting 120-150ms... sad but true) the trials require attention and group synergy to complete smoothly.

Since 1.1 already bumped up the 'cap' to VR12 I'm sure that in the greater picture this is being FAR from real end game content. And seeing as how quickly we are pushing through content, there is no doubt in my mind we'll go as high as VR50 in due time.

So I don't see this whole argument of 'end game' at all. Craglorn's just another step forward to it.

I have said it in other posts and i will repeat it here again. More than the lack of content itself, its the lack of incentive to do the content which is a bigger issue. Lack of a carrot on a stick. The rewards arent good enough period, PVP PVE or Leveling. Why do u think many people are taking the chance to run through every exploit or grinding option to level up.I dont blame them in all honesty. I leveled up purely through quests in a legit manner till VR 10 and I enjoyed the game till 50. After that it was a cumbersome grind with no rewards for the effort.

And what makes matters worse is the fact that all major sets are Bind on Equip which essentially means you can sell them to other people. So in the end people are not even going to bother experiencing this content and instead will farm gold , or in worse cases they will buy gold to keep their gear upto date.Add to the fact that the actual sets that drop are absolute rubbish compared to crafted sets.It wouldnt have been a big issue if crafting minus enchanting was actually hard to level. But i got Woodworking blacksmithing and clothing to 40 without crafting a single item .And unfortunately due to poor itemization on drops , crafting which requires no effort to level produces the best gear , bar 1 or 2 set bonuses like the warlock's set.SO where is the incentive to continue playing if u can get the best gear a few minutes after level cap.
The rewards does not necessarily have to be gear, but something to keep people playing and atm there is no reward which is worth it.

Hodorius

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.

Bad "try".

lukas

Aimfru wrote: »

Lets try to be honest.
Game launch was biggest failure in years and i rly hoped craglorn will give me reason to play it. I;m skipping pvp subject, because there nothing to talk about, u simply did nothing to improve pvp side, nor pvp arenas nor duels (its 2014 hello?).
Instead u boast with 12 raids that can be done within 12 mins. Worst thing is that both 4 man content and 12 man;s r easy tactic-wise, which results in ppl streaming on twitch week after release 12 man trials farm with random grps like a boss.
I can;t really express how sry i am about this game at the current state, BUT be warned if u wont come up with smth brilliant u r lost. I apprecieate the work you;ve done, but only if u play this game as early alpha free2play release.

do I smell special snowflake syndrome ?

bugulu

Lucifer108 wrote: »

I still cant believe i am seeing posts like this 2 months after launch. It has been 2 months since, and majority of the population is in veteran content now.

That's a pretty bold statement right there, do you have any facts backing it up?
Because I would bet that a minority is in veteran content, albeit a growing minority.

Just because some people have cleared the content in just a few days doesn't mean that everyone clears it that fast, does it?
Why are people complaining that a guild that played in PTS managed to clear Trials mere hours after release? How does that affect your end game experience? Have you actually done that end game that fast?
If a guild manage to clear it within 20 minutes and my guild takes hours to complete it, should the 20 minute clear diminish what my guild managed to do?

Content should be designed for majority of the players and not the small minority. If people decide to take their work day off / school off just to play a game, that's their choice. But don't come in here complaining that there's lack of content.