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1h + shield dps now useless for me
Valn
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I always did a mix of mainhand and shield bashing when attacking enemies, I even bought jewelry to reduce the cost of bash and reduce cost of blocking.
I used shield bash a lot against large groups of enemies, now at level V8 and set bonuses and V8 gear I cant even solo a group of 4 level V7 mobs who surround me.
Now blocking is only really used for a defensive feature considering the bash damage has been reduced so much. And all while im blocking, the melee mobs do more damage to me than I can do to them.
People are saying "oh bashing is only used for interrupt". Really, it's not often that a mob casts a channeled spell, and how often in PVP do you see people channelling too? I'm not going to keep swinging my sword over and over and have no defence. I'm not going to just hold my shield and let them damage me when i can do no damage to them.
If the damage of bash has been reduced, then blocking should absorb MORE damage from enemies.
Edited by Valn on May 24, 2014 6:59PM I used shield bash a lot against large groups of enemies, now at level V8 and set bonuses and V8 gear I cant even solo a group of 4 level V7 mobs who surround me.
Now blocking is only really used for a defensive feature considering the bash damage has been reduced so much. And all while im blocking, the melee mobs do more damage to me than I can do to them.
People are saying "oh bashing is only used for interrupt". Really, it's not often that a mob casts a channeled spell, and how often in PVP do you see people channelling too? I'm not going to keep swinging my sword over and over and have no defence. I'm not going to just hold my shield and let them damage me when i can do no damage to them.
If the damage of bash has been reduced, then blocking should absorb MORE damage from enemies.
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I keep reading about this "Shield Bash" not working any more. Is there no other skills that can take place of the shield bash dps spam? I am sure there are other better ways to kill mobs than just bashing your shield on their face.2 -
ShintaiDK✭✭✭magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »I keep reading about this "Shield Bash" not working any more. Is there no other skills that can take place of the shield bash dps spam? I am sure there are other better ways to kill mobs than just bashing your shield on their face.
From the S&B line? Unfortunately no.1 -
Kaelis33✭✭Well I have not reached veteran levels but its true the one hand and shield has limited DPS options...I imagine it makes sense. But one would hope that this is offset by much improved defense.0 -
Alpha_Protocol✭✭✭If they increased one-hand white damage a bit and maybe even gave 1h&s a bleed it would be helpful.
Other than that, I believe many tanks are beginning to realize their attributes & skill points need to be redistributed. They just don't want to.0 -
I don't know, my understanding of the sword and board skill line was meant for damage mitigation and mob taunt/control. I never thought it would be useful for dps, when there are other skill lines (fighter's guild for example) that provide better damage points.
Just saying. It's how I have been playing my DK. But to each their own.1 -
GrafDresche✭✭✭I play a DK tank with 1HS and am glad they fixed the absurd bash eploit. I never relied on it, because it makes the game too easy. You can do a lot of DPS with your class skill line and equip an alternative skill set for one on one and/or tanking.
Zenimax did a good job in fixing this error.Edited by GrafDresche on May 24, 2014 7:37PM7 -
Drazticulous✭✭I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.0
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the timeEdited by Valn on May 24, 2014 7:40PM1 -
Drazticulous✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.1 -
Drazticulous✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.
favourite skill? it's not a skill! it's an offhand weapon attack.... shouldn't do more than main hand attacks anyways1 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.
favourite skill? it's not a skill! it's an offhand weapon attack.... shouldn't do more than main hand attacks anyways
Skill/skill tree, playstyle is what i meant.
And the main hand attack for sword and board is pathetic too now. In fact bashing was better than swinging main hand. Now it's worse than the main hand. And the main hand has always been pathetic0 -
Drazticulous✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.
favourite skill? it's not a skill! it's an offhand weapon attack.... shouldn't do more than main hand attacks anyways
Skill/skill tree, playstyle is what i meant.
And the main hand attack for sword and board is pathetic too now. In fact bashing was better than swinging main hand. Now it's worse than the main hand. And the main hand has always been pathetic
This reminds me of when TANKS do tanking damage (low damage high mitigation) instead of rolling higher numbers than DPS.... your job is to TAKE damage not dish it out.0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.
favourite skill? it's not a skill! it's an offhand weapon attack.... shouldn't do more than main hand attacks anyways
Skill/skill tree, playstyle is what i meant.
And the main hand attack for sword and board is pathetic too now. In fact bashing was better than swinging main hand. Now it's worse than the main hand. And the main hand has always been pathetic
This reminds me of when TANKS do tanking damage (low damage high mitigation) instead of rolling higher numbers than DPS.... your job is to TAKE damage not dish it out.
You're implying the sword and board is only used for tanking. I play sword and board for both, mostly DPS. Now the DPS has been scrapped from that playstyle. I dont want to be forced to choose another playstyle such as 2h or dual wield. I actually enjoyed having a sword and shield.
And it's not my job to do anything. I want to play the way I want, unfortunately now with these nerfs I can't do that.Edited by Valn on May 24, 2014 7:51PM1 -
Drazticulous✭✭how is a shield NOT for tanking? I guess I can see your point when I watch 300 and see them bash people in the face.... that must be the dps you're looking for!!!
Fix for Zenimax.... make shield bash a body part targeting ability where you tab to lock on and if you manage to hit them in the head.... instakill.....0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »how is a shield NOT for tanking? I guess I can see your point when I watch 300 and see them bash people in the face.... that must be the dps you're looking for!!!
Fix for Zenimax.... make shield bash a body part targeting ability where you tab to lock on and if you manage to hit them in the head.... instakill.....
You roll a templar healer...how on earth do you do solo pvp when you can't do damage? Your job is to heal people...do you just stand there and heal yourself like a moron? How do you do damage when its your JOB to heal? Confusing!!!
And that's probably the dumbest example of a fix anyone has ever suggested. Thanks good day.Edited by Valn on May 24, 2014 7:55PM2 -
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✭They, in typical fashion, overnerfed the crap out of the ability, AND raised the cost, while not doing anything to make up for it in other areas. 1h/s is now completely useles for anything..tanking or dps.
WTG Zenimax. WTG. All because some pvp babies cries rivers of tears about it.0 -
Drazticulous✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »how is a shield NOT for tanking? I guess I can see your point when I watch 300 and see them bash people in the face.... that must be the dps you're looking for!!!
Fix for Zenimax.... make shield bash a body part targeting ability where you tab to lock on and if you manage to hit them in the head.... instakill.....
You roll a templar healer...how on earth do you do solo pvp when you can't do damage? Your job is to heal people...do you just stand there and heal yourself like a moron? How do you do damage when its your JOB to heal? Confusing!!!
And that's probably the dumbest example of a fix anyone has ever suggested. Thanks good day.
I don't remember saying I solo in pvp. Anyways.... What's the point in making statements when you can't even stay on topic?0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »how is a shield NOT for tanking? I guess I can see your point when I watch 300 and see them bash people in the face.... that must be the dps you're looking for!!!
Fix for Zenimax.... make shield bash a body part targeting ability where you tab to lock on and if you manage to hit them in the head.... instakill.....
You roll a templar healer...how on earth do you do solo pvp when you can't do damage? Your job is to heal people...do you just stand there and heal yourself like a moron? How do you do damage when its your JOB to heal? Confusing!!!
And that's probably the dumbest example of a fix anyone has ever suggested. Thanks good day.
I don't remember saying I solo in pvp. Anyways.... What's the point in making statements when you can't even stay on topic?
I meant solo PVE, was an error. By the way this is all about PVE.
And can you please stay on topic and stop derailing the thread? Cheers.Edited by Valn on May 24, 2014 8:00PM0 -
Drazticulous✭✭[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on May 24, 2014 8:41PM0
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »how is a shield NOT for tanking? I guess I can see your point when I watch 300 and see them bash people in the face.... that must be the dps you're looking for!!!
Fix for Zenimax.... make shield bash a body part targeting ability where you tab to lock on and if you manage to hit them in the head.... instakill.....
You roll a templar healer...how on earth do you do solo pvp when you can't do damage? Your job is to heal people...do you just stand there and heal yourself like a moron? How do you do damage when its your JOB to heal? Confusing!!!
And that's probably the dumbest example of a fix anyone has ever suggested. Thanks good day.
I don't remember saying I solo in pvp. Anyways.... What's the point in making statements when you can't even stay on topic?
Can you please stay on topic and stop derailing the thread? Cheers.
That said from the immature child that shouldn't be on this game anyways.
Name calling? Very mature... Just because you can't admit you're wrong doesnt mean you have to name call.Edited by Valn on May 24, 2014 8:02PM0 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »Drazticulous wrote: »I think you are just upset because clicking 1 button does nothing for you anymore ..... learn some skills use them and only block when you need to.
You've clearly never used sword and board. You're telling people to l2p when you probably roll fotm all the time
What's FoTM? I roll a Templar healer.... I guess I'm just OP because I do my best not to let people die.... I've used sword and board on other classes before and didn't like left clicking....
Well some people actually enjoy the sword and board, did that ever occur to you? Doesnt give you the right to tell them to l2p when their favourite skills have been nerfed.
favourite skill? it's not a skill! it's an offhand weapon attack.... shouldn't do more than main hand attacks anyways
Skill/skill tree, playstyle is what i meant.
And the main hand attack for sword and board is pathetic too now. In fact bashing was better than swinging main hand. Now it's worse than the main hand. And the main hand has always been pathetic
This reminds me of when TANKS do tanking damage (low damage high mitigation) instead of rolling higher numbers than DPS.... your job is to TAKE damage not dish it out.
You're implying the sword and board is only used for tanking. I play sword and board for both, mostly DPS. Now the DPS has been scrapped from that playstyle. I dont want to be forced to choose another playstyle such as 2h or dual wield. I actually enjoyed having a sword and shield.
And it's not my job to do anything. I want to play the way I want, unfortunately now with these nerfs I can't do that.
ZOS is implying that sword and board is only used for tanking if you would care to read the actives and passives.
Sometimes people confuse 'I want to play the way I want' with 'every facepalm build should allow me to faceroll any mob'.
Shield bash did allow to outDPS dual wield or 2h builds, which by definition should not be possible because you receive all the defensive block passives and the armor bonus already.
However, I think the damage reduction was a tad too hard. Coming from a dedicated tank.3 -
Wow way off topicwith some stuff.
But i dont see the joy in spamming an ability overs and overs. There has to be a better way that is fun and successful. I am a dps/heal build templar with s&b and i enjoy mixxing it up. But i know others like other methods. Maybe they are trying to help players to diversify.0 -
Indarqeen✭✭I have a Drakon knight lvl V4 Tank all HP and only taunt and bash offensive and rest on full defensive
I have played since beta, and I liked ESO in beta stage
I have had many bugs from small ones to big ones like the progression stopper "Messages Across Tamriel"
I have relogged 2000 times
I have seen DK Ardent Flame builds swipe hole dungeons and thought to myself just wait you will get nerfed
I dont pvp
I like crafting
I use my char for gathering materials and as a tank for my friends in dungeons
I used manny hours calculating and building my char
I pretty much like the game until now, despite the bugs (I am a big TES fan)
ESO patch V1.1.2 Broke the game "that is the sad truth"
1h and shield "you feel like its made with rubber"
Kill trash mob can take 10 min
This is not upped difficulty this is ridiculous
This must be a mistake, now pve fights are like hard work and not fun, if i want hard work ill stay down at work and not play computer games i hate this patch
I still have "78 days of gametime" you know what
I cancel, I cancel and I dont care i'm actually relieved0 -
MichaelD✭Take another sword and place it where your shield used to be... that is how you do damage... with the pointy edge not the dish on your arm...
When was the last time you saw shield-fight its called sword-fight for a reason1 -
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✭I have shield and sword for when Im tanking, which is what that set is made for never been about how much dps you can make from it.
other cast bar is truly amazing I hope you are sitting down when reading this, its like game changer !!! its the stuff legends are made of, get ready to be astonished. You might even faith and need mouth to mouth.
Ready?
no cant write it here in the open you have to select SPOILER !!
omg omgyou actually be able to weapon swap o.O I cant believe it, and make a dps bar with another weapon set, im truly blow away0 -
I cant even solo a group of 4 level V7 mobs who surround me.Now blocking is only really used for a defensive feature
You say this like its some sort of unintended mistake....
I used sword and shield for the first time 2 days before the patch (dragonguard set + saviours hide for <500 ulti Werewolf ) didn't put any points into it slotted nothing but class skills. Had no problem dealing damage on my "brokenblade". I found it 10x easier than using my 2hander WITHOUT passives or slotted one hand and shield skills.
If you don't like using one hand and shield CHANGE YOUR WEAPON!
When vamps were OP I had an entire bar dedicated to killing them with 3 fighters guild abilitys slotted , I even compromised my melee only build and used a bow because it was the only way to fight them. Did I come on the forums and cry for a free respec when they nerfed them? NO! I continued playing the game w/o my 10 invested skill points and somehow functioned perfectly fine. Skill points are quite common, I wouldn't worry about respecing to get them back. The only reason you should respec is if you want to use a different morph, imo.
Conclusion
Until now you have been ABUSING a broken skill that allowed you to deal more damage than any other weapon set AND disable the target on a 1/2 second cast. This was fixed because no other weapon set has comparable disables with that kind of damage.
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