Thanks ZOS, now I can't even kill 2 VR4 wolves with my build..

PVT_Parts

Really? 80 dmg with bash now? I just got the glyphs to reduce it's cost, now I can't even afford to respec... What is this crap?

NordJitsu

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

Nitratas

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

True that

xramirez535b14_ESO

A reduction to respec cost would have gone nicely with a lot of the nerfs.

daveben007b14a_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

^^^^

kasain

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PVT_Parts

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

Perhaps you don't know the history of the shield... Also, haven't you seen the pointy bones sticking out of some of the motif designs? Maybe I want to beat them with that.

glitchmaster999

PVT_Parts wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

Perhaps you don't know the history of the shield... Also, haven't you seen the pointy bones sticking out of some of the motif designs? Maybe I want to beat them with that.

My brother did recreational stuff at medieval fairs, it isn't used how people were trying to use it. It is used to push people of balance. I was waiting to see a dragonknight complain about them breaking their overpowered cookie cutter right-click-to-win build.

Awwww looks lime you might have to actually put effort in for a change

Avidus

What I see here is what I predicted in another thread last night.
ZoS would fix a broken mechanic, and everybody abusing it would cry about how they deserve a free respec.

No.

GeeYouWhy

If you get high DPS with a shield bash then I want my dual blades to add to my armor rating ...

glitchmaster999

Avidus wrote: »

What I see here is what I predicted in another thread last night.
ZoS would fix a broken mechanic, and everybody abusing it would cry about how they deserve a free respec.

No.

Me and my brother were taking bets on this happening lol. Its like people crying over the vamp change, just cause somethings op does mean that when its fixed its still gonna be op just to a slightly lesser extent.

Drachenfier

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

Sounds like dual wield and two handed need to be buffed then.

Evergreen

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

Shields are supposed to be defensive. They shouldn't give you better DPS than Dual Wield and Two Handed.

I agree with Nord but empathize with the OP. As a Nightblade I used to rely on shield bash for dps early in the game but found in VR5 + content that saving the stamina for actual damage mitigation with the occasional interrupt is far more useful.

Maverick827

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

The weapon does 80 damage as well.

FYI, NordJitsu is a pure caster Sorcorer, so take his comments and recommendations with a plate of salt.

Drachenfier

Maverick827 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

The weapon does 80 damage as well.

FYI, NordJitsu is a pure caster Sorcorer, so take his comments and recommendations with a plate of salt.

lol, makes sense now.

Evergreen

Maverick827 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

The weapon does 80 damage as well.

FYI, NordJitsu is a pure caster Sorcorer.

Weapon skills and basic light, heavy melee really need a damage boost imo. Flying Blade was decent but just had a dps nerf (yes requiring more stamina to cast = damage nerf). Bows really need a buff as well.

glitchmaster999

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

glitchmaster999

Maverick827 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Try hitting things with a weapon instead of a board.

The weapon does 80 damage as well.

FYI, NordJitsu is a pure caster Sorcorer, so take his comments and recommendations with a plate of salt.

Oh and I was a sword and board nightblade but I started levelling two hander and bow as soon as I saw the original patch notes

Drachenfier

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

It does have low dps.

glitchmaster999

Drachenfier wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

It does have low dps.

It didn't before the patch.

Maverick827

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

Bash costs stamina, and having a shield doesn't really add as much defense as you think.

Nightspectre

Maverick827 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

Bash costs stamina, and having a shield doesn't really add as much defense as you think.

Then you're using it wrong, try blocking = Working as intended

Sorcerer Tank Lvl 48
DK Tank Vet 2

jkbennettb14a_ESO

Maverick827 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

Bash costs stamina, and having a shield doesn't really add as much defense as you think.

It does if you actually, you know... block attacks with it.

glitchmaster999

Maverick827 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

Bash costs stamina, and having a shield doesn't really add as much defense as you think.

Well if thats the case why dont tanks just run a resto staff? Sword and board adds a lot of defensive ability, if it doesnt you are doing soemething wrong.

Rylana

bashbashbashbashbash owait

Now you actually have to pay attention to what youre doing, actually attack, use exploit attacks and manage your HAM.

No sympathy.

waitingmk01b14_ESO

Speaking as a DK who rolled up as a DK on the first day of head start before it was "cool" to be a DK, I'm glad they fixed this ***. Was getting tired of seeing people running around abusing this obviously broken mechanic and making a bad name for those of us who used the shield as it was meant to be used, as a defensive tool with the possibility of doing a good bit of damage to someone when used *at the right time*. I've only ever used the thing to interrupt NPCs and I'm a heavy armour wearing DK too, yet I've somehow soloed everything up to VR 5 so far, other than some world bosses and all the dungeons, obviously.

If you built you whole character around this one ability, that's on you. Yeah, the big Z said you could "play how you want" but it never guaranteed equality of outcome. It never said, "play how you want and be equally as effective or more effective than everyone else". Now they need to fix that *** where people use blocking and regular attacks in some kind of button-mashing combination to attack mush faster than they're supposed to. I think it's one regular attack followed by two blocks, or vice-versa. It makes you look like a spaz on the battlefield and it's just straight up pathetic.

Blackwidow

xramirez535b14_ESO wrote: »

A reduction to respec cost would have gone nicely with a lot of the nerfs.

Or at least one free one.

Avidus wrote: »

What I see here is what I predicted in another thread last night.
ZoS would fix a broken mechanic, and everybody abusing it would cry about how they deserve a free respec.

No.

If ZOS designs a game for you to play one way and then ZOS takes away that ability, ZOS should allow players to respect.

I have never used a shield, but if the game let me super kill with my staff and I built my character around that and then they suddenly made my staff a lot less powerful, I think a respect might be in order.

Maverick827

jkbennettb14a_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

Bash costs stamina, and having a shield doesn't really add as much defense as you think.

It does if you actually, you know... block attacks with it.

It blocks more, but it doesn't block enough to make the 1H/Shield line viable for solo PvE.

sztartureb17_ESO

YES, YES, YES

Finally ZOS did the right thing. It was about time. Even today on eu server the drill was three DK shiled charge talons+ shield bash *** on any soloer.

Now that ends.

Soloeus

Respec.

PVT_Parts

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

80 damage is about the same as a single dual weild attack, sword and board should have low dps as trade off for its tankyness.

You don't use stamina for that regular dual wield attack. Bash costs stamina. Shield isn't anymore tanky than dual wield. Still reach the soft cap of armor so that shield is really only adding 40 of the 100 armor.