ninja nerf to melee
so recently zenimax added a bunch of abilities to the skill table of mobs.
One of these abilities: sparks - most average day to day trash duel wielding mobs in solo content have this, does the following: target misses ALL MELEE attacks for 4 seconds.
- it's instant cast
- has a very minor animation
- you can't land melee auto attacks
- you can't land bash (still has stamina cost)
- you can't land melee abilities (class or weapon, still retains the cost)
- only applies to melee
zenimax - this does nothing but hurt the already somewhat weaker melee classes and further enforces the staff meta we have at the moment. Either make it apply to range attacks (for npc mobs only) or remove it from their skill tables.
One of these abilities: sparks - most average day to day trash duel wielding mobs in solo content have this, does the following: target misses ALL MELEE attacks for 4 seconds.
- it's instant cast
- has a very minor animation
- you can't land melee auto attacks
- you can't land bash (still has stamina cost)
- you can't land melee abilities (class or weapon, still retains the cost)
- only applies to melee
zenimax - this does nothing but hurt the already somewhat weaker melee classes and further enforces the staff meta we have at the moment. Either make it apply to range attacks (for npc mobs only) or remove it from their skill tables.
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✭✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »They want this game to die. I'm convinced.
Well they certainly don't want the mobs to die!(to melee anyway)
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BSGDevastator✭✭✭If this is real then I assume some troll in ZOS is producing this crap.V̜͚͂ͭͤ̈̌̽̏̈́̄͘͘͝ͅR̮͓͙̪̤᷊̭̯̉᷅̆̈́́̂̕1̴̖͓̹͔᷿͇̬̍̒̿ͤ̽̈́͠ ̧̙͉̪̤̙̫᷃͊̋̍̆̋ͧͭV̨̛̺̟̥ͫ̆᷅̄͊̑͌̃̓͟ą̵̩̠̒ͪ᷅̒ͫ͗̆ͨ᷈ͪ͠m̢̜̰͔᷂̱̀᷆ͤ͛̌͊᷇̈́̚p̡̺̼͕̣ͧͬͪͮ᷄̍̈̍̂͌į̠̦̖̰͚̒᷇̃̾ͪ͊ͧ̚͞r̟͈̣̭̂᷃̊̍̂͗̈̏᷾͗ͧe͢͏̗̱͚̥̜͙ͭ̃̒̋ͬ͢͞ ̴̺̼͇͂̿᷄̂̓ͤ͒̒̃͋͢N̝̯̹̩̰̼̑̿᷄᷉̃᷀̋ͩ͋ǐ̧̮̮̮͖̘̓͋̌᷅͆᷈̕ͅǵ͇̲͉̝̠̮͐̐̃ͯͫ᷾ͦ͟h̸͈̹̘̭̯̝̺͎͖̏ͬ̑̅̿t̪̠͎̲᷈͂ͯ̊ͭ᷇̀͗̅̕͠b̟᷊̻̹̝̑̌᷆᷁̂̃̈́ͩ͘͞l̠͙̻̪̣ͭ̿ͧͧ̈͛͛̒̓ͤa̡̛͈̠͇͚̮̬̔́̏̎̒͂̏ḓ̸͈̗͔̇̔̽͏̵̪̔ͪͨͥę͇͇̘̺̞̈᷈̒͐̂ͯ᷈ͩ͡0 -
So far I have only noticed dual wield melee bosses using sparks... And yes, its annoying as all hell. Weapon switching is not working so well you move between melee and ranged that easily. If you go in as melee you're probably going to stay melee.
However, I dont know if its a bug or not but it sort of seems to go both ways too. When the boss has used sparks, he seem unable to hit you as well for a couple of secs?!0 -
I've encountered it in cyrodil solo dungeons - so it's definitely present in vr5+0
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✭And you only have melee skills on your bar? Not one single magicka skill?Moons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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✭✭Sparks seems ike a very minor ability from dual weild skill tree, considering they lack a shield it's not that worrying.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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A minor ability in the sense that it allow a dual wielder to solo any melee world boss that doesnt summon adds, lol. Yes, you can tank 30K HP bosses while maintaining 100% HP yourself with it if they have the "right" skills (ie are dumb as hell).AlexDougherty wrote: »Sparks seems ike a very minor ability from dual weild skill tree, considering they lack a shield it's not that worrying.
But when mobs use it, yes its more annoying than anything else. For 90% of the players (ie lightarmor/staff users) it has no effect.0 -
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✭murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »
A minor ability in the sense that it allow a dual wielder to solo any melee world boss that doesnt summon adds, lol. Yes, you can tank 30K HP bosses while maintaining 100% HP yourself with it if they have the "right" skills (ie are dumb as hell).AlexDougherty wrote: »Sparks seems ike a very minor ability from dual weild skill tree, considering they lack a shield it's not that worrying.
But when mobs use it, yes its more annoying than anything else. For 90% of the players (ie lightarmor/staff users) it has no effect.
Last time I checked sparks did not work on bosses, to high level or something, they might have changed it?Moons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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And you only have melee skills on your bar? Not one single magicka skill?
i run focused strikes peircing mark and killers blade for magicka abilities while duel wielding... what i COULD use if i had a 6th slot (but i don't) is hidden blade to counter it, but it's just not cost effecient so i don't slot it. as a result yeah all my damage is melee based while duel wielding. This also affects sword and board tanks who can't shield bash, can't use ransack, can't even basic attack.
Edit: you're also missing the point, this is a 100% damage remover that only affects melee, further increasing the gap between ranged and melee style builds nowEdited by mousekime111rwb17_ESO on 6 June 2014 13:550 -
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✭Just another day in Zeniland. Just be glad they don't have 100% uptime with it.0 -
if there was a group of 3 duel wielding mobs in a single spawn (which can - albeit rarely- happen) it'd be a 90% uptimeMaverick827 wrote: »Just another day in Zeniland. Just be glad they don't have 100% uptime with it.0 -
Arreyanne✭✭✭✭Didn't you people get the memo, you are suppose to wear light armor and use staff's silly boys2 -
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P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.2 -
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✭they need to seriously, quantitatively, document all changes, however small they think a change is.0 -
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✭✭✭And you only have melee skills on your bar? Not one single magicka skill?
I'm a DK, magicka skills like Lava Whip or Searing Strike are classed as melee by Zeni and are:
a) critting off weapon crit instead of spell crit
b) affected my dodge and missed chance debuffs
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✭GrimCyclone wrote: »They want this game to die. I'm convinced.
I'm inclined to agree with you.
It's starting to look more and more like their intentions were to grab as much initial money as possible and then drive this game into f2p.
..Because, outside of incompetence on scale rarely witnessed, there's little other reason for a game to have this many unaddressed issues.0 -
Tyr✭✭✭✭murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »So far I have only noticed dual wield melee bosses using sparks... And yes, its annoying as all hell. Weapon switching is not working so well you move between melee and ranged that easily. If you go in as melee you're probably going to stay melee.
However, I dont know if its a bug or not but it sort of seems to go both ways too. When the boss has used sparks, he seem unable to hit you as well for a couple of secs?!
The only sensible person in this thread so far.
This is a L2P issue not a melee issue.
The prudent thing to do in these situations is to use the time to regen health/stamina or use buffs debuffs.
In other words, if you go into a fight with a DW opponent and you're having problems, it's 100% your fault for not adapting your playstyle.
It's a L2P issue.
That's not to say there aren't balance problems with melee/stam/HA builds.
However, this isn't one of them.1 -
stungateb14_ESO✭✭✭murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »So far I have only noticed dual wield melee bosses using sparks... And yes, its annoying as all hell. Weapon switching is not working so well you move between melee and ranged that easily. If you go in as melee you're probably going to stay melee.
However, I dont know if its a bug or not but it sort of seems to go both ways too. When the boss has used sparks, he seem unable to hit you as well for a couple of secs?!
The only sensible person in this thread so far.
This is a L2P issue not a melee issue.
The prudent thing to do in these situations is to use the time to regen health/stamina or use buffs debuffs.
In other words, if you go into a fight with a DW opponent and you're having problems, it's 100% your fault for not adapting your playstyle.
It's a L2P issue.
That's not to say there aren't balance problems with melee/stam/HA builds.
However, this isn't one of them.
First you recognize sensibilty then go right in to nonsense of your own maybe you can recognize irony next time you post something.
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@Tyr the only issue with you saying it's a l2p issue is that it ONLY affects melee, fact is you get sparked while you're using a staff - your auto attacks still land, pulsar still lands, destructive touch and force shock still lands, any ranged class skills still land.
On the other hand, duel wield has hidden blade as a ranged attack, 2h has none, they can't auto attack, can't interupt enemy abilities etc etc0 -
Tyr✭✭✭✭stungateb14_ESO wrote: »murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »So far I have only noticed dual wield melee bosses using sparks... And yes, its annoying as all hell. Weapon switching is not working so well you move between melee and ranged that easily. If you go in as melee you're probably going to stay melee.
However, I dont know if its a bug or not but it sort of seems to go both ways too. When the boss has used sparks, he seem unable to hit you as well for a couple of secs?!
The only sensible person in this thread so far.
This is a L2P issue not a melee issue.
The prudent thing to do in these situations is to use the time to regen health/stamina or use buffs debuffs.
In other words, if you go into a fight with a DW opponent and you're having problems, it's 100% your fault for not adapting your playstyle.
It's a L2P issue.
That's not to say there aren't balance problems with melee/stam/HA builds.
However, this isn't one of them.
First you recognize sensibilty then go right in to nonsense of your own maybe you can recognize irony next time you post something.
Nothing nonsensical. The balance issue with melee against ranged is unrelated to the fact that different enemy types require different skill sets and can be overcome with the skills available to melee.
One issue is related to balance the other is not using the available utilities.1 -
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✭I had run into a mob that used Sparks on me, and I weapon switched to a Staff.
I wonder if they will create an ability that impact only Distance?
That would compel you to have one melee and one ranged. I would still use resto/destro staff on all my characters because that is how I enjoy playing the game. I don't like boring melee. I tried it and didn't like it.
Not because of it being "weak" but because its boring. "Heavy Attack (light attack) Heavy Attack (light attack) Heavy Attack...
And since enemies tab target, I can't bob, weave and juke to avoid getting hit. So, why play melee then?
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Tyr✭✭✭✭mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »@Tyr the only issue with you saying it's a l2p issue is that it ONLY affects melee, fact is you get sparked while you're using a staff - your auto attacks still land, pulsar still lands, destructive touch and force shock still lands, any ranged class skills still land.
On the other hand, duel wield has hidden blade as a ranged attack, 2h has none, they can't auto attack, can't interupt enemy abilities etc etc
I realize it only affect melee, but it's a skill usage issue. In the same way that bow using NPC's are significantly more effective against range, DW are significantly more effective against melee.
To overcome these things you use a different skill set when approaching DW as a melee than a bow NPC against melee.
Secondly if you're using a 2H sword and get sparks, then you switch to defensive abilities, self buffs, roots/snares, etc.. in your alt weapon while you create space and get ready for the burst dps after 4 seconds.
Examples:
Momentum, Defensive posture, Shield charge, Hidden Blade and their morphs...0 -
serenity_painted✭✭✭This has been around since beta, i like it. God forbid the game should throw you a curve ball every now and again and make you use your brain.0
