Nerf DK survivability to level of other classes

thelg · June 2014

So I am guessing DK will be getting range and escape skills now eh? Da faq??

/facepalm

jkbennettb14a_ESO · June 2014

Doubtful. DK is still the most survivable class, and what the devs should aspire to make all classes, not the other way around.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO · June 2014

What?

elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/06/04/the-road-ahead--june-4th?ref=home

They are nerfing DKs a bit more over time.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · June 2014

This is the dumbest and most dangerous thing I've heard from ZOS yet (that's a fair effort given their track record).

It's quite scary to think that they're nerfing yet another non-mage build in the case of the tank DK and forcing it even harder towards dresses and sticks.

Clearly the Sorcerer is going to be the benchmark for all roles. Tank, dps and heals. It will be the only class that can do all 3 should it choose.

I'd say we should all roll sorcerers but if they go ahead with this plan to nerf the DK tank into the ground the game is gone. No F2P. Just gone. (and I main NB for the record).

thelg · June 2014

Yeah it is the most *** statement from Zeni and Matt Firor in particular. I will wait and see, hope it was just a mind fart of stupidity and he does not really mean that class without built in Regen, Escape or Range, should have same survivability as those with those skills.

Gilvoth · June 2014

"Nerf DK survivability to level of other classes"

i agree with this, especially i would love to see the dragonight have the same survivability of my weak and easily killed nightblade. seems fair to me. i realy having a hard time wraping my head around why sorcerers and dragonights are so over powered and so hard to kill and basicly the godmode of eso. i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types.

jkbennettb14a_ESO · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"Nerf DK survivability to level of other classes"

i agree with this, especially i would love to see the dragonight have the same survivability of my weak and easily killed nightblade. seems fair to me. i realy having a hard time wraping my head around why sorcerers and dragonights are so over powered and so hard to kill and basicly the godmode of eso. i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types.

Uh Dunmer is one of the best if not the best race for DKs, so I don't think it's racially motivated like you think. Lol.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"Nerf DK survivability to level of other classes"

i agree with this, especially i would love to see the dragonight have the same survivability of my weak and easily killed nightblade. seems fair to me. i realy having a hard time wraping my head around why sorcerers and dragonights are so over powered and so hard to kill and basicly the godmode of eso. i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types.

So what you want is another class running around in a dress waving a fairywand striking you down in flames in 2 seconds? If you nerf the DK tank you force them into the firemage role which is the OP one - not the tank.

And then.. who tanks? Sorcerers? With their pets being controllable it sounds like the plan to me. I can see Clanfears getting a massive durability buff in the future so Sorcerers basically bring their own tank whilst still being DPS and the winged-freak gets turned into a full-powered healer. Instant solo-group.

Gilvoth · June 2014

jkbennettb14a_ESO wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"Nerf DK survivability to level of other classes"

i agree with this, especially i would love to see the dragonight have the same survivability of my weak and easily killed nightblade. seems fair to me. i realy having a hard time wraping my head around why sorcerers and dragonights are so over powered and so hard to kill and basicly the godmode of eso. i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types.

Uh Dunmer is one of the best if not the best race for DKs, so I don't think it's racially motivated like you think. Lol.

yeah, heres the thing. let's go over again what i said in detial shall we? and let's take a close look at what i said.

Quote:
" i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types."

let's notice closely the wording that is in bold shall we? the part that says dark elf assassin nightblade.

please do not target my comments from hence forth.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

Racist.

Also no, don't nerf. Rarely nerf. Instead buff everyone else, and before you say that's insane, allow me to point you in the direction of Paizo and their ever successful game Pathfinder.

That said the changes to DKs aren't nearly as bad as they look, and they actually help to make staffs less viable for them via no longer stacking flame damage and stuffs.

In theory at least

Devlinne · June 2014

Well my thinking is. Once each class at a same level of survivability. We will finally truly be THAT game where every class CAN BE ANYTHING.

Bringing dk down to have same survivability as NB for instance. What does that do? Well it makes NB viable again. and not "i really like NB but to WIN in this game i was forced to roll a dk/sorc"

Once we bring ALL classes ON PAR. Then this will truly be "Play as u like"

Why nerf instead of buff? Well simple. If every class were buffed up to roflstomp DK/sorc lvl.......How challenging would the game be?
Ultimately the EXISTING players will have a choice to make. Adapt or leave. Cos the new players will not know the difference.
When they come to this game, they will feel that "Wow, it doesn't matter what class i pick, they all perform more or less the same" (as advertised)
Can't miss the taste of wine if u never drank any.

Just my opinions and thoughts. i'm sure ya'll feel differently. Yet i'm sure some of ya'll feel the same too.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

Let's not use the term nerf unless we're saying staffs here.

Instead let's use Adjust. Let's Adjust classes and certain weapon skills to be level with each other. Bring up stamina builds while lowering magicka builds slightly.

Adjustments

Mordack · June 2014

I'm okay with slight nerfs to my survivability, but only if VR trash mobs get nerfed a lot. I manage to just get by with my DK now. If there aren't any changes to the trash mobs soon, I don't know what I'm going to do...

Gilvoth · June 2014

Mordack wrote: »

I'm okay with slight nerfs to my survivability, but only if VR trash mobs get nerfed a lot. I manage to just get by with my DK now. If there aren't any changes to the trash mobs soon, I don't know what I'm going to do...

agreed, as i do see that dragonights are our only tank in eso and is should be fair. but in all mmo's ive played tanks allways do the least damage. somewhat opisite here in eso.

jkbennettb14a_ESO · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

yeah, heres the thing. let's go over again what i said in detial shall we? and let's take a close look at what i said.

Quote:
" i mean this sincerely, eso staff must honestly hate dark elf and elf ingeneral that play nightblades assassin types."

let's notice closely the wording that is in bold shall we? the part that says dark elf assassin nightblade.

please do not target my comments from hence forth.

Humm, I think you took what I said the wrong way. It was intended to be a playful jab more than anything. But feel free to be offended I guess?

Oh and I'll comment on whatever I like, thanks.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · June 2014

But.. why? Why nerf the defining characteristic of the DK? If anything's OP it's the firemage build yet they seem to want to encourage the frockwearing DK and nerf the heavy armoured tank.

It's not survivability that's the issue, it's the DPS whilst getting hammered. It's.. STAFFS AND LIGHT ARMOUR for the love of bejeezus.

My DK alt is now re-specced in heavy with 1H+S and I rarely need to bother with survivability. Everything's dead. I tried it first in a frock with a stick and.. it's madness. Too easy. Same thing except far more effective. I didn't even slot dragon blood. In PvE there's nothing left to hit me. It's all dead.

But yes... by all means nerf the DK tank.

Gilvoth · June 2014

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

But.. why? Why nerf the defining characteristic of the DK? If anything's OP it's the firemage build yet they seem to want to encourage the frockwearing DK and nerf the heavy armoured tank.

It's not survivability that's the issue, it's the DPS whilst getting hammered. It's.. STAFFS AND LIGHT ARMOUR for the love of bejeezus.

My DK alt is now re-specced in heavy with 1H+S and I rarely need to bother with survivability. Everything's dead. I tried it first in a frock with a stick and.. it's madness. Too easy. Same thing except far more effective. I didn't even slot dragon blood. In PvE there's nothing left to hit me. It's all dead.

But yes... by all means nerf the DK tank.

i think theres never realy a problem till we see them in pvp. thats where its truely just over powered. and same thing with sorcerer.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

The post above speaks truth. Except mages aoe groups of dumb strong mobs down on their own where it takes a group of nbs and temps to do the sane if they're not in a manly skirt and using a stick of death

jkbennettb14a_ESO · June 2014

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

But.. why? Why nerf the defining characteristic of the DK? If anything's OP it's the firemage build yet they seem to want to encourage the frockwearing DK and nerf the heavy armoured tank.

It's not survivability that's the issue, it's the DPS whilst getting hammered. It's.. STAFFS AND LIGHT ARMOUR for the love of bejeezus.

My DK alt is now re-specced in heavy with 1H+S and I rarely need to bother with survivability. Everything's dead. I tried it first in a frock with a stick and.. it's madness. Too easy. Same thing except far more effective. I didn't even slot dragon blood. In PvE there's nothing left to hit me. It's all dead.

But yes... by all means nerf the DK tank.

Doesn't make much sense does it? It's like all the devs are taking the crazy pills and we're the normal ones that can think rationally.

They need to lift all classes to the level of play currently enjoyed by DKs. I'll admit it's crazy fun playing a DK. I've survived stuff that probably should have killed me by using my head and skills effectively. It's not all faceroll like everyone thinks it is. But it is fun and you feel powerful after an experience like that. Wish I could get that feeling with the other classes too.

hk11 · June 2014

Has it occurred to you that you need a tank?

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

That's exactly how I felt after killing a boss mob npc using a fire destro staff on my templar. Wasn't dumb hard, but it wasn't laughably easy either you know?

ErykGrimm · June 2014

I don't get why you would take a class that is working and nerf it to be on level with a class that is broken. If that is going to be the course of action, at least fix the broken classes first. And honestly, as a class, dragon knights only need minor tweaking. The builds that are making everyone want to nerf every class all include using the same gear, regardless of class.

Cogo · June 2014

Why focus so much on 1 class. This is a skill based game. There are going to be balancing across all skills.

And when they release more skills and what I REALLY look forward to, is new schools of magic!

I dont just suspect, but I expect skills to be balanced as well.

Common, open your eyes and look what ESO is. Skill based game and how you use them. Someone might come up with a great build that seams OP but simply have a good player behind it.

Just like someone comes up with a build that is way way overpowered and needs to be balanced somehow.

What...is....the....problem?!

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO · June 2014

thelg wrote: »

So I am guessing DK will be getting range and escape skills now eh? Da faq??

/facepalm

We also need an execute and mobility