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PTS and Bots

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k9mouse
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It is good that ZOS is letting players beta test new content and patchs, but I have some concern if Gold Farmers will use to find ways to abuse the ESO?

How would ZOS handle Bots on the PTS server?
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  • stevenpotter321b14_ESO
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    It is good that ZOS is letting players beta test new content and patchs, but I have some concern if Gold Farmers will use to find ways to abuse the ESO?

    How would ZOS handle Bots on the PTS server?

    They same way they do on live. This makes you happy, yes?
  • kaosodin
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    stevenpotter321b14_ESO wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    It is good that ZOS is letting players beta test new content and patchs, but I have some concern if Gold Farmers will use to find ways to abuse the ESO?

    How would ZOS handle Bots on the PTS server?

    They same way they do on live. This makes you happy, yes?

    This I imagine

  • k9mouse
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    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO
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  • Mablung
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    The rules of the PTS are usually different. The shelf life is usually small, gold gains are usually greater, leveling is faster etc. The need for RMT transactions is not there so hopefully they will not invade that server at all.
  • stevenpotter321b14_ESO
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO

    Lol, that was the problem with the last batch according to popular vote. It is a public test server for a reason.
  • Ser Lobo
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    I think they should stealth move all bots onto the PTS server, and let them bot away.

    Then the botter keeps running, thinking everythings good. But never gets a buyer for all that wasted runtime.
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  • k9mouse
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    @stevenpotter321b14_ESO
    PTS means private test server, not public ;)

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    I main concern, that Gold farmers find ways to "beat the system" that they can used on the live server. I do want to beta, feedback and bug report on PTS, but also want to keep Gold Farmers away from it. Information is power after all.
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  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO

    That's what it was ..... and look how well that turned out.

    Those supposed "good" players absolutely suck at testing.

    Plus, public test server .... clues kind of in the name.
  • stevenpotter321b14_ESO
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO

    That's what it was ..... and look how well that turned out.

    Those supposed "good" players absolutely suck at testing.

    Plus, public test server .... clues kind of in the name.

    Lets be somewhat fair, they might not have sucked at testing. We only know the results, but they may have made legitimate suggestions during testing that simply wasn't answered. I am not all doom and gloom, just mostly.
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    stevenpotter321b14_ESO wrote: »
    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO

    That's what it was ..... and look how well that turned out.

    Those supposed "good" players absolutely suck at testing.

    Plus, public test server .... clues kind of in the name.

    Lets be somewhat fair, they might not have sucked at testing. We only know the results, but they may have made legitimate suggestions during testing that simply wasn't answered. I am not all doom and gloom, just mostly.

    Okay, i'll be honest....

    They did find exploits....

    And then used them on the live version.

    Half of the problems we have now with exploits and nerfs are because of those testers pulling stunts like that and screwing things up for the rest of us.

  • k9mouse
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    Who did what during the last patch is old news and history, but the question is: What can do about it now? How to open the PTS to the most people and still keep the bots away at the same time? Finger pointing and playing the blame game is not doing anyone any good.
    Edited by k9mouse on 4 June 2014 02:31
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  • zgrssd
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    It is good that ZOS is letting players beta test new content and patchs, but I have some concern if Gold Farmers will use to find ways to abuse the ESO?

    How would ZOS handle Bots on the PTS server?
    That is indeed my biggest concern about opening the PTS to everyone. Usually such problems are stemmed by this being a test server. Resources are either unlimited by default or at least a lot easier to come by.
    Plus there is only so much you can archieve on the PTS. You can always get your characters reset because they want to test out new starting area contents/fixes. Only on the live servers is a guarantee that you keep your characters.
    k9mouse wrote: »
    @stevenpotter321b14_ESO
    PTS means private test server, not public ;)
    @k9mouse:
    My launcher calls the menu option to enable PTS Client download "Public Test Server". In both english and german.
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO
    The simplest defition of "good" could be people who have been in the game for a month. The average bot or goldspam account does not even last a day.
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  • smokes
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    bots wont play on PTS servers, mostly because you cannot transfer any items over to the live game, in order to sell them onto stupid players.

    they might try to find new exploits on a PTS, but more often than not PTS servers are bot free.
  • k9mouse
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    To be on PTS, one must do feedback, bug reports and report Gold Farmers on the Live. If one does that on the Live server, they will be more likely to be a good player tester for the PTS server.

    I see what ZOS did here: In beta, PTS did stand for "private test server" They must have changed it when ESO was released. :p
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  • Gisgo
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    Are there bots on the PTS server?
    And who are they selling gold to?
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    @Gisgo

    It is more of a matter of Gold Farmers finding exploits to be used on the Live server then they selling gold to any one. That is my concern and why I am asking this question of this topic.
    Edited by k9mouse on 4 June 2014 11:28
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  • zgrssd
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    Gisgo wrote: »
    Are there bots on the PTS server?
    And who are they selling gold to?
    As it is currently invite only, no. I am an Addon programmer & preorderer and not even I have access.

    But it is going to be "oppened to all subs soon". Wich might mean that goldsellers will cast thier eye on it. It is worth thinking about, but it seems like going there would not be in thier business interest.
    Edited by zgrssd on 4 June 2014 11:35
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  • Dayv
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO

    I welcome the move given the number of bugs that have come along with patches. QC and testing could certainly be improved. I don't know how you define "good" players, but I think it's important to get testing feedback from average players more than leet players and real casual players aren't going to bother with PTS.

    As for bots and exploiters, I understand your concerns, but think bugs are a bigger more of a problem currently and more testers means a greater chance to spot exploiting before it even gets to the main server.
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    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, not really -- I kind of wish that ZOS hand select know "good" players to be on the PTS, Access to the PTS should be hard to get. IMHO
    Why should it be hard to get and how does that benefit the game?
    Having only a few "good" players on the test server limits what feedback they will have on changes and means there are less chances of bugs being discovered before going live. As others have stated they ran the server with a few "good" players and because no one went to a standard VR zone during the entire test period the VR monster buff issues went live.

    Opening a server to the entire population gives ZOS more chance for bugs to be tracked down, feedback from the entire player base about changes and most importantly lets the players test those changes and give actual information and examples for their feedback.

    Test servers are not some special gentleman's club where the elite of the elite get to sit around and brag about how they're more awesome, it's a place to test patches before they go live and provide feedback to ZOS about any issues found.
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  • k9mouse
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    I am thinking more of these lines:

    Any one can be invited to join the PTS, if they do the following on the live server:
    1) Report Bugs
    2) Give Feedback
    3) Report Gold Farmers

    More one does the three above, more likely one will invited. ZOS will invite hundreds of thousands who prove themselves by doing the three above on the live. Players and Gold Farmers who just want to find exploits and abused them, more likely they will not help on Live server to be invited in the 1st place.

    If anyone wants to beta test on the PTS, all they have to do is report X times or feedback X times in a month on the Live server, they will be invited.

    If they are not reporting X times or giving feedback on the PTS, they will lose their invite.

    To be invited back, just report or feedback on the Live server again.
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