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Does it say that you need to group? Really. Massively Multiplayer....huge player base playing at the same time.
Lots of persons like to point at Multiplayer and declare that this is the decree that you must group. Wrong...very wrong. A pure solo game, with no possible chance of grouping, can indeed be properly considered to be an MMO. All it takes is a large group of people being online in the same game.
The "intent" of the game company, in this case Zenimax Online, is the only thing that matters. Force to solo, force to group, option to either one......that is all up to Zenimax.....but no matter what they chose, one or a combination, they are still an MMO.
So please people, when arguing any point, please don't drop the: "Cause the 2nd M means Massively" button....that is worse than a crutch...it is completely wrong and makes you look like a moron.
Lots of persons like to point at Multiplayer and declare that this is the decree that you must group. Wrong...very wrong. A pure solo game, with no possible chance of grouping, can indeed be properly considered to be an MMO. All it takes is a large group of people being online in the same game.
The "intent" of the game company, in this case Zenimax Online, is the only thing that matters. Force to solo, force to group, option to either one......that is all up to Zenimax.....but no matter what they chose, one or a combination, they are still an MMO.
So please people, when arguing any point, please don't drop the: "Cause the 2nd M means Massively" button....that is worse than a crutch...it is completely wrong and makes you look like a moron.
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You don't need to group, however you have to accept that some content and normally all end game content in an MMO is designed at group play. At the end of the day you have agreed to play a game which because it's multiplayer has team based multiplayer objectives, if you're not looking for that area of an MMO play the solo content and ignore the rest but don't be upset that you miss out of parts of the game.BadgerRider1 wrote: »Does it say that you need to group? Really. Massively Multiplayer....huge player base playing at the same time.
This is true, because the second M mean Multiplayer, it's the first M which means Massively.BadgerRider1 wrote: »So please people, when arguing any point, please don't drop the: "Cause the 2nd M means Massively" button....that is worse than a crutch...it is completely wrong and makes you look like a moron.
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BadgerRider1✭✭✭You don't need to group, however you have to accept that some content and normally all end game content in an MMO is designed at group play.
Uh...no. NO. You don't have to accept that because it need not be true. It is up to the game designers whether or not you have "end game" content or not. It is up to the designers whether any or all of the content is "group" content.
My point is that MMO does not equate to groups. It has been in the past, but need not be going forward.
Massively Multiplayer Online does not mandate groups. Period. To say otherwise makes you look foolish.
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MaxBat✭✭✭BadgerRider1 wrote: »Does it say that you need to group? Really. Massively Multiplayer....huge player base playing at the same time.
Lots of persons like to point at Multiplayer and declare that this is the decree that you must group. Wrong...very wrong. A pure solo game, with no possible chance of grouping, can indeed be properly considered to be an MMO. All it takes is a large group of people being online in the same game.
The "intent" of the game company, in this case Zenimax Online, is the only thing that matters. Force to solo, force to group, option to either one......that is all up to Zenimax.....but no matter what they chose, one or a combination, they are still an MMO.
So please people, when arguing any point, please don't drop the: "Cause the 2nd M means Massively" button....that is worse than a crutch...it is completely wrong and makes you look like a moron.
Um ... doesn't the second M mean ... multiplayer?Edited by MaxBat on 1 June 2014 01:33"Funny that magic doesn't work when a mace caves in your skull."
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This is true, because the second M mean Multiplayer, it's the first M which means Massively. [/quote]
And yet you continue to see folks quoting the "M", both because it is "massively" and "multiplayer" as being a testiment to the need for groups. No matter which "M" you chose, you are equally wrong.
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SinisterJoint✭✭✭BadgerRider1 wrote: »Does it say that you need to group? Really. Massively Multiplayer....huge player base playing at the same time.
Lots of persons like to point at Multiplayer and declare that this is the decree that you must group. Wrong...very wrong. A pure solo game, with no possible chance of grouping, can indeed be properly considered to be an MMO. All it takes is a large group of people being online in the same game.
The "intent" of the game company, in this case Zenimax Online, is the only thing that matters. Force to solo, force to group, option to either one......that is all up to Zenimax.....but no matter what they chose, one or a combination, they are still an MMO.
So please people, when arguing any point, please don't drop the: "Cause the 2nd M means Massively" button....that is worse than a crutch...it is completely wrong and makes you look like a moron.
So what you want is a solo game with a chat room? That is basically what you are telling me from this post.
Actually, what ARE you trying to say in this post? All I get is a bunch of nonsensical babble because you have to group in craglorn to do the pub dungeons... that's what this is really about isn't it?
Regardless, people play MMO's for the exact reason you are saying is "wrong" or "doesn't have to be". They play for the multiplayer aspect.
A Tidbit for you --
mul·ti·play·er
adjective
adjective: multiplayer; adjective: multi-player
1. denoting a computer game designed for or involving several players.
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So what you want is a solo game with a chat room? That is basically what you are telling me from this post.SinisterJoint wrote: »
Actually, what ARE you trying to say in this post? All I get is a bunch of nonsensical babble because you have to group in craglorn to do the pub dungeons... that's what this is really about isn't it?
Regardless, people play MMO's for the exact reason you are saying is "wrong" or "doesn't have to be". They play for the multiplayer aspect.
A Tidbit for you --
mul·ti·play·er
adjective
adjective: multiplayer; adjective: multi-player
1. denoting a computer game designed for or involving several players.
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What I want is irrelevant. What I play is what the game designers put out. All that I am pointing out is that nowhere in MMO does it say "have to group"or "you can't do it alone". And no, this is not about Craglorn.........I haven't been there yet.
In no dictionary does it equate "Multiplayer" with group. Nor should it.
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BadgerRider1✭✭✭SinisterJoint wrote: »Regardless, people play MMO's for the exact reason you are saying is "wrong" or "doesn't have to be". They play for the multiplayer aspect.
And you are saying that people who play multiplayer games must be there because they want to group up? Not that they like massive players to buy their products? (or many other reasons) Really?
Must be great to speak for millions of on-line players! (though I would think that you would righteously confine yourself to speaking for only yourself, prudence being the dictator.)
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't matter how you define it or split hairs. Titanic was, technically, a movie and a popular one, but it doesn't mean it's all that great of a film.
MMOs that are focused on solo play tend to lack depth and challenge compared to those that are designed with grouping in mind. They also have a tendency to lack balance because devs are left with the daunting task of making pretty much every class be able to do everything without being op. Most of them also aren't entirely solo...You do have to still group at some point for some things and a lot of players just suck at their group/raid role because they never had to learn it to advance. (any of this sound familiar? lol)
And they certainly tend to not have the community of those games, either. And it kind of defeats the entire point or playing an MMO because if you want to do everything solo, you will likely fine a lot of single player games that are a lot better.
So yeah, technically an MMO doesn't have to require grouping. But it also doesn't have to be any good, either. Lol. The OP's point is moot, imo.0 -
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭MMO that had the BEST community EVER seen was EQLive. You HAD to be social or you didn't even get to level. "Forced" grouping from level 10 to the end of the game. There was SO much interdependency you couldn't wipe your own butt without the help of 5 other people lol.0
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭I think the answer to your question is "What is Craglorn?".
The place that they marketed down our throats from day 1. The place that has virtually killed the other VR zones. The place that is being exploited. The place that could be the death nail for many.....0 -
RylukShouja✭✭✭Pronunciation: Brit. /ˌmʌltɪˈpleɪə/ , U.S. /ˌməltiˈpleɪər/ ; see also multi- comb. form.
Etymology: < multi- comb. form + player n.1 With sense B n. compare earlier multi-play adj.
A. adj.
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Designed for or involving more than two (esp. many) players or participants. Of a computer or video game: allowing two or more players to participate, esp. simultaneously.
B. n.
A compact disc player which can play a number of discs in succession.
Source: Oxford English Dictionary.
There we have it, folks. The second m is referring to a muti-CD player. We've had it wrong from the start, it references any game that has more than one install disk, comes in a large box, and requires the internet at some point.
TL:DR you can screw with definitions to make any point seem valid. It doesn't mean they are.
OP, what were you trying to accomplish with this thread, anyways?
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