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PvP needs friendly fire from siege weapons and caltrops.

IKilled007
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Honestly, artillery is an indiscriminate killer. Silly for the same artillery blast to hurt some of the people it lands on and not others. Same with caltrops. Yes, this would open up some avenues for griefing, but I think it's a small price to pay for a little more realism.
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    Friendly caltrops, when you are hit with ranged siege while standing in them, should cause your character to delete itself.

    This is a reasonable fix, imo.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • Mends_from_Shadows
    Yes plz. There are plenty of EP I want to kill with my own siege. Friendly fire sounds like the most totally awesome idea. No one will take advantage of this in a negative way. Nope. No one.
    Cyrodiil Issues as of 6/3/2014
    - Massive Lag since Craglorn patch.(Still bad lag on "Laggajack" NA and some other campaigns.)
    - Forward Camps and other Siege bugging out frequently
    - Caltrops granting Immunity to Siege Weapon Damage
    - Massive Faction Imbalances in Most Campaigns / Several Dead Campaigns
    - Mercenary Mage Spam (sometimes causing them to go invulnerable)
    - Players exploiting Keeps/Scrolls through DK Chain Pulls to go around defenses

    Yay Zenimax is doing things.
  • IKilled007
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    Yes plz. There are plenty of EP I want to kill with my own siege. Friendly fire sounds like the most totally awesome idea. No one will take advantage of this in a negative way. Nope. No one.

    So, to be clear, we should not have anything in the game which could be used "in a negative way" -- is that what you're positing?
    The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • TheBucket
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    No no no no no no no Noooooo.

    We have enough dumb trolls on these forums. Could you imagine giving them idiots friendly fire? Itll be hardcore Call of Duty all over again.
    William Reignes
    Magic Nightblade - Rogue Bomber
    Creator of Thirsty Thief Build (Retired 1.5)
  • Tavore1138
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    Also if you give FF to siege stuff isn't the next step to add FF from player AOE effects, which would make PvP a very different thing and much harder for most classes.
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    Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    TheBucket wrote: »
    No no no no no no no Noooooo.

    We have enough dumb trolls on these forums. Could you imagine giving them idiots friendly fire?

    Yes, I can. It would be GLORIOUS.

    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • Blackrim
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    Honestly, artillery is an indiscriminate killer. Silly for the same artillery blast to hurt some of the people it lands on and not others. Same with caltrops. Yes, this would open up some avenues for griefing, but I think it's a small price to pay for a little more realism.

    i'm kind of agreeing and to solve your problem with the "Friendly fire" That player could become an "outlaw" if you will or a "Traitor" and be worth xp/vp if you kill them. Siege weapons are easy to dodge :D.
  • ferzalrwb17_ESO
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    I think it's a small price to pay for a little more realism.

    I totally agree. The thing I want most when I'm breathing fire or sprouting dragons wings from my dark elf's back is more realism.

  • Mends_from_Shadows
    Yes plz. There are plenty of EP I want to kill with my own siege. Friendly fire sounds like the most totally awesome idea. No one will take advantage of this in a negative way. Nope. No one.

    So, to be clear, we should not have anything in the game which could be used "in a negative way" -- is that what you're positing?

    To be clear they shouldn't put anything in which you can use to GRIEF the living *** out of your faction. Like this guy's brilliant friendly fire idea.
    Cyrodiil Issues as of 6/3/2014
    - Massive Lag since Craglorn patch.(Still bad lag on "Laggajack" NA and some other campaigns.)
    - Forward Camps and other Siege bugging out frequently
    - Caltrops granting Immunity to Siege Weapon Damage
    - Massive Faction Imbalances in Most Campaigns / Several Dead Campaigns
    - Mercenary Mage Spam (sometimes causing them to go invulnerable)
    - Players exploiting Keeps/Scrolls through DK Chain Pulls to go around defenses

    Yay Zenimax is doing things.
  • IKilled007
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    I think it's a small price to pay for a little more realism.

    I totally agree. The thing I want most when I'm breathing fire or sprouting dragons wings from my dark elf's back is more realism.

    Good point. Since realism is silly in a game like this, you'd be perfectly OK with Nightblades being able to call in air support from Tie Fighters. Great point!
    The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • ipkonfigcub18_ESO
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    You damn RPers have ruined the game enough.
  • Blackrim
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    You damn RPers have ruined the game enough.

    This game was made for us how dare you lol
  • ferzalrwb17_ESO
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    Good point. Since realism is silly in a game like this, you'd be perfectly OK with Nightblades being able to call in air support from Tie Fighters. Great point!

    That's going straight into the NB patch thread! Awesome idea. I can get on board with that. NB's need a decent pet to replace summon shadow. Tie Fighter is a brilliant idea. Almost as good as FF in PVP.

    Edited by ferzalrwb17_ESO on 29 May 2014 15:31
  • IKilled007
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    Yes plz. There are plenty of EP I want to kill with my own siege. Friendly fire sounds like the most totally awesome idea. No one will take advantage of this in a negative way. Nope. No one.

    So, to be clear, we should not have anything in the game which could be used "in a negative way" -- is that what you're positing?

    To be clear they shouldn't put anything in which you can use to GRIEF the living *** out of your faction. Like this guy's brilliant friendly fire idea.

    Battlefield 2 had friendly arty fire, and if the commander killed too many friendlies, he was kicked from game. There could be a similar failsafe here -- kill, say, 10 or more friendlies, and you die (sniped by friendly archer, we'll say), and you are blocked from Cyrodiil for 15 minutes. I mean, there are dozens of ways to keep intentional friendly fire in check.
    The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • bjplague
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    it could be implemented with an added mechanic.
    for instance. friendly fire possible but if you kill say 5 of your own alliance within 1 hour you get booted from pvp server and locked out for 2 hours.

    should keep the grief potential to a minimum and urge people to use the siege mechanic more closely to realism.

  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    And you can always just used the patented caltrops defensive method for preventing arty damage.

    It's how the Romans did it, after all. It was called a Caltrops-subo, I believe.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • frwinters_ESO
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    Friendly fire will cause griefing. We already have DK's using there firey grip to pull there friends up onto walls from other alliances to allow then to cap keeps. We dont need the enemies making alts to fire against us. Would be a catastrophic fail.
  • Turelus
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    Well friendly fire would stop the oil abuse as well so sound good.
    Only downside I see if the griefing morons who will take advantage of it.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
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