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Look at the key to the problem before saying a class is "OP"
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Before we start, I think NB's needs to get buffed a bit.
But here is an example on how to confuse skill abilities, set bonuses etc with class abilities, and easily fall for the mistake of thinking the class is the issue:
"So I saw this Nightblade video here the other day, and he used Resto staff combined with Destro staff. He also used Furnace set which restores 10% magicka every 5 second when struck by melee."
"He could get as much magicka and health as he wanted with the Resto Staff ability Spirit Siphon together with the NB ability Siphoning Strikes, with his Furnace Set light armor bonus.
Those 2 abilities together gave him unlimited magicka so he could spam everything he wanted, including heals."
"The Nightblade class is "clearly" overpowered when it is possible to get unlimited magicka with the Resto/Destro build, Furnace light armor set (10% magicka proc every 5 second) and use the Resto ability "Spirit Siphon" to spam abilities nonstop!"
"This "clearly" is only because of the class alone, and not because of resto ability/furnace set..!"
"Please nerf Nightblades since they can use the powerful Spirit Siphon (resto staff) ability and the overpowered Furnace Set to do crazy overpowered things in conjunction with their own class abilities!"
If you didnt get the point of the post:
The point here is to take what you see with a grain of salt, and not ALWAYS assume it's "automatically" the class that is the real problem.
It's often an ability from another skill line being the issue, like Spirit Siphon and Furnace Set (giving unlimited magicka) currently is.
Like Bash was before nerf, like Batswarm was before nerf, like Impulse spam was before nerf and so on.
These videos also always consist of players using overpowered Set Bonuses, like Furnace set!
If people spend a few more seconds trying to relate and understand how the mechanics and abilities work together, and which ones is class abilities and not class abilities, then there will be less confusion, and less outcries from misunderstanding mechanics and how they work, and saying class ability X is OP, when it's really weapon ability Y that affects it in a bad way.
Just think back, and remember the: "omg nerf X class, bash is too strong!"...
Edited by monkeymystic on 27 May 2014 19:08 But here is an example on how to confuse skill abilities, set bonuses etc with class abilities, and easily fall for the mistake of thinking the class is the issue:
"So I saw this Nightblade video here the other day, and he used Resto staff combined with Destro staff. He also used Furnace set which restores 10% magicka every 5 second when struck by melee."
"He could get as much magicka and health as he wanted with the Resto Staff ability Spirit Siphon together with the NB ability Siphoning Strikes, with his Furnace Set light armor bonus.
Those 2 abilities together gave him unlimited magicka so he could spam everything he wanted, including heals."
"The Nightblade class is "clearly" overpowered when it is possible to get unlimited magicka with the Resto/Destro build, Furnace light armor set (10% magicka proc every 5 second) and use the Resto ability "Spirit Siphon" to spam abilities nonstop!"
"This "clearly" is only because of the class alone, and not because of resto ability/furnace set..!"
"Please nerf Nightblades since they can use the powerful Spirit Siphon (resto staff) ability and the overpowered Furnace Set to do crazy overpowered things in conjunction with their own class abilities!"
If you didnt get the point of the post:
The point here is to take what you see with a grain of salt, and not ALWAYS assume it's "automatically" the class that is the real problem.
It's often an ability from another skill line being the issue, like Spirit Siphon and Furnace Set (giving unlimited magicka) currently is.
Like Bash was before nerf, like Batswarm was before nerf, like Impulse spam was before nerf and so on.
These videos also always consist of players using overpowered Set Bonuses, like Furnace set!
If people spend a few more seconds trying to relate and understand how the mechanics and abilities work together, and which ones is class abilities and not class abilities, then there will be less confusion, and less outcries from misunderstanding mechanics and how they work, and saying class ability X is OP, when it's really weapon ability Y that affects it in a bad way.
Just think back, and remember the: "omg nerf X class, bash is too strong!"...
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frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭funny too cause NB has the most broken abilities out of every class and all you hear is NB are broken.
I love my NB and Siphoning Strikes is the only good ability to keep us in the game as our abilities are very costly.0 -
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gladen5rwb17_ESO✭✭✭You really are determined to get peoples attention, which comes off as desperate.1 -
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My least favorite regular person on this message board. I can't even figure out his agenda. He must be a DK because every 'DK IS OP' topic and he bolds his way along saying how it has nothing to do with the DK skills. Every Sorc topic he spouts off about how OP they are and now he has Temp and NB are OP topic creations.Edited by ZOS_SofiaC on 27 May 2014 19:26You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points1 -
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Since he clearly violated the TOS (insulting post) here, you can jsut report him.davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
My least favorite regular person on this message board. I can't even figure out his agenda. He must be a DK because every 'DK IS OP' topic and he bolds his way along saying how it has nothing to do with the DK skills. Every Sorc topic he spouts off about how OP they are and now he has Temp and NB are OP topic creations.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 27 May 2014 19:40Elana Peterson (EU), Dominion, Imperial Sorc, Rune & Alchemy Crafting Char
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If you think anything I or somebody else said violates the Rules of this Forum, you are free to flag my posts. Till I get any notifcaion from this, I just asume you know you have no case against me or Zenimax disagrees with you.1 -
LariahHunding✭✭✭✭Mods, will you please do something about this maroon."Give a man a sweet roll, he only has one to steal. Give him a sweet roll recipe, he have bunches to steal."
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ArRashid✭✭✭✭Yeah we all saw that video that caused "nerf DK, he's too OP, he's soloing trials"... when all his "OPness" came from a resto staff ability not working as intended lol0 -
WilliamTee✭✭✭There's something in the forum rules about using misleading thread titles to grab attention i think...
edit: That's some extensive editing an hour later OP
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monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭In case you didn't catch the point, is it more visible now then?
The point is if people spend a few more seconds trying to relate and understand how the mechanics and abilities work together, and which ones is class abilities and not class abilities, then there will be less confusion, and less outcries from misunderstanding mechanics and how they work, and saying ability X is OP, when it's really ability Y that affects it in a bad way.Edited by monkeymystic on 27 May 2014 18:080 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Ruddertail wrote: »Siphon Spirit gives unlimited mana? I wish.
In combination with furnace set, it does.
Again, the point is to try not to misunderstand the mechanics and how they work, and saying ability X of a class is "OP", when it's really ability Y from a random weapon skill line that affects it in a really strong way and is the core problem.0 -
Ruddertail✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Ruddertail wrote: »Siphon Spirit gives unlimited mana? I wish.
In combination with furnace set, it does.
Again, the point is to try not to misunderstand the mechanics and how they work, and saying ability X of a class is "OP", when it's really ability Y from a random weapon skill line that affects it in a really strong way and is the core problem.
Surely you mean that it's Magicka Furnace that's the core problem? Without that set Siphon Spirit is a perfectly fine support skill.
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I always wondered why people blame everything else then looking at themselves on every problem they have?Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Ruddertail wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »Ruddertail wrote: »Siphon Spirit gives unlimited mana? I wish.
In combination with furnace set, it does.
Again, the point is to try not to misunderstand the mechanics and how they work, and saying ability X of a class is "OP", when it's really ability Y from a random weapon skill line that affects it in a really strong way and is the core problem.
Surely you mean that it's Magicka Furnace that's the core problem? Without that set Siphon Spirit is a perfectly fine support skill.
*applause*
You get it!
Problem is that most people here would not see that, and instead just yell "omg nerf NB's!" in that scenario. Because they simply don't have enough understanding on all the mechanics (and that is ofc understandable too!)
If more players were aware that the right set bonuses (Furnace set etc), weapon abilities (Spirit Siphon etc) is what makes players the strongest, then it would be less outcries on classes, and maybe they could become powerful themselves too! No matter what class they are.Edited by monkeymystic on 27 May 2014 18:211 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭Very good post OP.
I always wondered why people blame everything else then looking at themselves on every problem they have?
Thanks!
Hopefully this post will make atleast 5% of the readers start to look at the mechanics more, and then we would be on the right track atleast
It is much easier to discuss what is too strong, too weak etc if more people know the mechanics behind it.
Furnace Set alone is so powerful it can make a whole difference on it's own.Edited by monkeymystic on 27 May 2014 19:051
