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Sc[T]roll Carriers
I cant believe nobody has actually posted anything in regards to this. I see this happened very often in AD side on Auriel's Bow and now Wabbajack. What I am talking about, is, of course, the troll carriers. Here are the few things you can do when you carry a scroll :
1. Run as fast as you can in the straightest line towards one of your inner keeps. This is considered by some as the 'supposed-to-be' way of handling a scroll. No problems here.
2. Go to a questing area in enemy territory, go inside a building, and farm points off enemies that came through the door. The jury is out on this one. Half of the server felt it is actually useful that they can farm VPs offa enemy players, the other half who has quests that turn in that particular scroll might not be delighted to wait until the farming is finished and scroll carrier decides to cap it
3.Run seemingly randomly, sometimes towards your own base, then suddenly U-turn to enemy territories, go around in circles, run towards base again, and when near keep, run to the lake in the middle of Cyrodiil to commit suicide.
Obviously you can see where I am going with this. Dear ZoS, nice people irl become *** when you give them a mask in the form of the internet. It wastes the playtime of all the escorts he is getting, sometimes as much as 40 people or even more. It creates bad community aura, and the troll cant possibly be less successful with the kind of attention that he is getting in zone chat.
Those strongly in favor of number 1 will try to get people to report the character for 'griefing'. I am not sure whether this is griefing or not but it sure does waste a lot of people's time. More importantly, reporting does nothing. I've seen the same character over and over again despite what I think must be hundreds of reports by players.
If this is how devs intended this particular game mechanic to play out, then fine we'll live with it. If human idiocy is not captured in the original design and this is not meant to be, then I humbly request some simple mechanics to prevent these from happening again. Thx
1. Run as fast as you can in the straightest line towards one of your inner keeps. This is considered by some as the 'supposed-to-be' way of handling a scroll. No problems here.
2. Go to a questing area in enemy territory, go inside a building, and farm points off enemies that came through the door. The jury is out on this one. Half of the server felt it is actually useful that they can farm VPs offa enemy players, the other half who has quests that turn in that particular scroll might not be delighted to wait until the farming is finished and scroll carrier decides to cap it
3.Run seemingly randomly, sometimes towards your own base, then suddenly U-turn to enemy territories, go around in circles, run towards base again, and when near keep, run to the lake in the middle of Cyrodiil to commit suicide.
Obviously you can see where I am going with this. Dear ZoS, nice people irl become *** when you give them a mask in the form of the internet. It wastes the playtime of all the escorts he is getting, sometimes as much as 40 people or even more. It creates bad community aura, and the troll cant possibly be less successful with the kind of attention that he is getting in zone chat.
Those strongly in favor of number 1 will try to get people to report the character for 'griefing'. I am not sure whether this is griefing or not but it sure does waste a lot of people's time. More importantly, reporting does nothing. I've seen the same character over and over again despite what I think must be hundreds of reports by players.
If this is how devs intended this particular game mechanic to play out, then fine we'll live with it. If human idiocy is not captured in the original design and this is not meant to be, then I humbly request some simple mechanics to prevent these from happening again. Thx
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Avidus✭✭✭Using a scroll as a way of getting at enemy players is a very effective tool.
Farming AP with it means that your alliance will have significantly more AP to use in sieges and repairs later on.
And whilst you have a scroll in a building in their territory, they pile in towards it leaving an unpopulated defense of an actual keep.
Also since the scroll quest is repeatable, its not really a big deal.
There are a lot of circumstances where not capping a scroll is better for your alliance, so long as ultimately the scroll is eventually captured.
But to encourage scroll capping I believe there needs to be an AP reward attached.
I ran on foot from AD's furthest gate all the way to fort arrius and capped the scroll.
I received nothing, meanwhile my group and guild piled up massive amounts of AP from fighting.0 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭whats with the dropping and picking up and dropping and picking up and dropping and picking up?I watched AD do this 10-15 times one night between 3 or four characters. I was under the impression that dropping and re picking up resets the timer?..is that true?0 -
Using a scroll as a way of getting at enemy players is a very effective tool.
Farming AP with it means that your alliance will have significantly more AP to use in sieges and repairs later on.
And whilst you have a scroll in a building in their territory, they pile in towards it leaving an unpopulated defense of an actual keep.
Also since the scroll quest is repeatable, its not really a big deal.
There are a lot of circumstances where not capping a scroll is better for your alliance, so long as ultimately the scroll is eventually captured.
But to encourage scroll capping I believe there needs to be an AP reward attached.
I ran on foot from AD's furthest gate all the way to fort arrius and capped the scroll.
I received nothing, meanwhile my group and guild piled up massive amounts of AP from fighting.
Oh but I personally have no problem with no 1 and 2 (some people do mind no 2 but usually is pretty mild). It's no 3 that has become a problem.
And I agree completely about rewarding AP for capper. Does this mean that if you dont have the quest you gain completely nothing?
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DivinePoSoul Shrivencisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »And I agree completely about rewarding AP for capper. Does this mean that if you dont have the quest you gain completely nothing?
While it's true that the act of capturing the scroll doesn't reward the player directly, it is incorrect to say that you gain nothing. You still get the alliance wide bonuses for holding scrolls.
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Infraction✭✭✭Not sure how many alliance points you need to farm for siege and repairs. I have tons of spare points to spend just by playing naturally.0 -
Igolbug✭✭✭people are getting smarter at the house farming trick.
for the most part we tend to leave them in there with a few people outside to let us know when it is moving again.
The real problem is how they are exploiting to get the scrolls to begin with.Igolbug
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WABBAJACK since day1!0 -
Infraction✭✭✭people are getting smarter at the house farming trick.
for the most part we tend to leave them in there with a few people outside to let us know when it is moving again.
The real problem is how they are exploiting to get the scrolls to begin with.
Would this be the group the gets pulled into the keep and left to do their thing?0 -
I agree that there was one or two occasion where we have no keep near the temples and suddenly we managed to get ahold of one scroll. Didnt pay it much attention until you brought it up here
If there is such exploitation, wouldnt you hear about those here in forums? Seems like a pretty big issue to me.0 -
Igolbug✭✭✭Infraction wrote: »people are getting smarter at the house farming trick.
for the most part we tend to leave them in there with a few people outside to let us know when it is moving again.
The real problem is how they are exploiting to get the scrolls to begin with.
Would this be the group the gets pulled into the keep and left to do their thing?
They are getting pulled up gate and dropping camps behind gate to go to temple scrolls. It isn't even the keep scrolls.Igolbug
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WABBAJACK since day1!0 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭It happens quite a bit and when i see entire guild groups speaking in strange "invite me" text in zone and i NEVER see them actually fighting..i wonder"Hmmm are we doing this too?";)0 -
Avidus✭✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »It happens quite a bit and when i see entire guild groups speaking in strange "invite me" text in zone and i NEVER see them actually fighting..i wonder"Hmmm are we doing this too?";)
A lot of guilds focus on specific tasks, and you might find a lot will not participate in the usual zergfests.
For example hold the bridge between Sejanus and Alessia, it stops reinforcements because most people just refuse to go to the other bridges and would rather die endlessly being bottle necked.
Now a task like this won't appear to do anything on the map, just a couple of swords fighting.
But in return it can completely halt a zerg, cut off reinforcements and in turn protect scrolls and resources, and also serve as a vital distracton while other groups go to take targets.0