Just wanted to chime in and say the Draugrkin nerf wasn't needed. Feels like this change was done because of pulse ganking, but you've adjusted the abilities that were enabling this already.

And could u up Oakfather's Retribution set a bit? Without the 2 major buffs, it will give 1k less penetration:(

Mora Scribe's Thesis and Hybradization

I find it much harder to hit the critical chance cap compared to before the changes. I didnt do an exact count of buffs, just looked at the number on some of my current builds on live servers that all find no trouble reaching the cap, made them in pts and both the crit chance cap and crit damage cap were well below the maximum.

Also either the set is currently bugged or just the tool tip is bugged because the count for crit damage was well below it should have been. I did check that one and the tooltip was missing 4 minor buffs.

I'm pretty sure either the tool tip is bugged or the set needs buffs. It wasnt hard to reach both caps before hybridization and the rework and it shouldnt be a hassle afterwards either.

acanca wrote: »

Mora Scribe's Thesis and Hybradization

I find it much harder to hit the critical chance cap compared to before the changes. I didnt do an exact count of buffs, just looked at the number on some of my current builds on live servers that all find no trouble reaching the cap, made them in pts and both the crit chance cap and crit damage cap were well below the maximum.

Also either the set is currently bugged or just the tool tip is bugged because the count for crit damage was well below it should have been. I did check that one and the tooltip was missing 4 minor buffs.

I'm pretty sure either the tool tip is bugged or the set needs buffs. It wasnt hard to reach both caps before hybridization and the rework and it shouldnt be a hassle afterwards either.

I believe that they expect the tooltip value will display differently, but that the effect should still apply as before, elaborated on in the 12.1.1 notes:

This fix will also disable your character sheet from showing what stats it is granting (it still applies to combat events, the calculation is checked when this is queried by the combat handler to be determined by the server - while your client has an independent way of handling queries, which is why it often produces conflicting results from the actual outcome managed by the server).

Kickimanjaro wrote: »

acanca wrote: »

Mora Scribe's Thesis and Hybradization

I find it much harder to hit the critical chance cap compared to before the changes. I didnt do an exact count of buffs, just looked at the number on some of my current builds on live servers that all find no trouble reaching the cap, made them in pts and both the crit chance cap and crit damage cap were well below the maximum.

Also either the set is currently bugged or just the tool tip is bugged because the count for crit damage was well below it should have been. I did check that one and the tooltip was missing 4 minor buffs.

I'm pretty sure either the tool tip is bugged or the set needs buffs. It wasnt hard to reach both caps before hybridization and the rework and it shouldnt be a hassle afterwards either.

I believe that they expect the tooltip value will display differently, but that the effect should still apply as before, elaborated on in the 12.1.1 notes:

This fix will also disable your character sheet from showing what stats it is granting (it still applies to combat events, the calculation is checked when this is queried by the combat handler to be determined by the server - while your client has an independent way of handling queries, which is why it often produces conflicting results from the actual outcome managed by the server).

Not the character sheet, the tool tip on the item itself when you hover over an item when wearing the set. It tells you how much crit damage and crit chance you have.

Currently im below the cap on builds i checked when on live i reach the cap easily. I'm sure if i interact with a trial dummy it will be fully capped but it wasnt hard to make full use of this set solo before and it shouldnt be hard to make full use of it after this pts either.

Kickimanjaro wrote: »

acanca wrote: »

Kickimanjaro wrote: »

acanca wrote: »

Mora Scribe's Thesis and Hybradization

I find it much harder to hit the critical chance cap compared to before the changes. I didnt do an exact count of buffs, just looked at the number on some of my current builds on live servers that all find no trouble reaching the cap, made them in pts and both the crit chance cap and crit damage cap were well below the maximum.

Also either the set is currently bugged or just the tool tip is bugged because the count for crit damage was well below it should have been. I did check that one and the tooltip was missing 4 minor buffs.

I'm pretty sure either the tool tip is bugged or the set needs buffs. It wasnt hard to reach both caps before hybridization and the rework and it shouldnt be a hassle afterwards either.

I believe that they expect the tooltip value will display differently, but that the effect should still apply as before, elaborated on in the 12.1.1 notes:

This fix will also disable your character sheet from showing what stats it is granting (it still applies to combat events, the calculation is checked when this is queried by the combat handler to be determined by the server - while your client has an independent way of handling queries, which is why it often produces conflicting results from the actual outcome managed by the server).

Not the character sheet, the tool tip on the item itself when you hover over an item when wearing the set. It tells you how much crit damage and crit chance you have.

Currently im below the cap on builds i checked when on live i reach the cap easily. I'm sure if i interact with a trial dummy it will be fully capped but it wasnt hard to make full use of this set solo before and it shouldnt be hard to make full use of it after this pts either.

Ah, my misunderstanding.

I wonder if they should just delete that line if it can't display accurate info as it still sounds like the same issue with the character sheet. I don't understand how any of it works, but it sounds like both the tooltip and character sheet are client side, whereas actual damage inflicted is calculated server side. I could be completely wrong, though.

The tooltip was a very good quality of line change and now that we cant even see it on our character sheet, its all we have left to make sure we are reaching the cap with this set. I dunno if the tooltip is bugged or the set itself tho

Overbowed wrote: »

Another vote for reverting the draugrkin nerf.

By implementing this change you are killing a lot of build diversity as this set is one of the only good options for non-dk pressure builds. This is especially heavy handed when considering DK gets 100 flat damage tacked on to a random armor buff. Are we really saying earthspike mantle should almost carry the value of a 5 piece set, while still providing major resolve and a DoT/shield?

The other heavy handed nerfs to stealth + arcanist changes are more than enough to address pulse ganking, which has been on the decline anyway.

Pulse ganking was never anything special and now with signet deleted from pvp it’s not even possible. Ppl already got 2 sets killed with this nonsense

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Draugrkin has been robbed of it’s single one use option. We’ve been told that concerns are heard and now healing reduction has been reduced by 5% which is absolutely irrelevant.
Even without the healing penalty there are simply better sets even for status/dot builds that draugrkin was supposed to be tailored for.

Draugrkin was a set that helped poorly scaling multi hit abilities have a bit more viability, so the extra 2 lines of spell damage is not even great for bonuses there, extra pen or crit would be much more welcome.

And ofc it should not be halved in pvp. I'd be okay with it doing the new dmg in pve and old value in pvp, although even the new pve value wouldn't be broken for pvp.

So, after further testing Mora Scribes Thesis set on pts. I think the set is working correctly but the tool tip is broken.



We have 11 minor buffs and 3 major. What the tooltip shows is



1 major and 6 minor, clearly incorrect

But, 1k+ hits with no passives, no abilities and no CPs gives us this



With these base stats



Meaning we got around 2% crit chance which is the correct amount for 3 major buffs and the critical damage checks out as well at 11% extra critical damage thats not reflected on the character sheet.

And here is the problem. We can no longer see these values at our character sheet, the tooltip values are wrong and the values are also not reflected on cmx screen.

Meaning, its incredibly, mind numbingly and frustratingly difficult to make sure you are getting the correct values from Mora Scribes Thesis.

I would suggest fixing (please) or disabling the tooltip in order not to confuse players because im sure i would not be the only person that would get tricked by the values on the tooltip.

Tldr, please fix the tooltip. Also please buff the critical chance recieved from major buffs because it is still giving less value compared to before hybridization rework on most builds i have checked. The set should not be harder to make use of compared to live patch.

I don't understand what problem is being addressed by disabling sets like Mora Scribe from the character sheet.
It was working just fine? It think this creates even more confusing/conflicting results, so the dev comment makes no sense to me.

ceruulean wrote: »

tesority wrote: »

I also vote against nerfing Draugrkin. It's a well-balanced set with its narrow niche and downsides.

I'm even curious about what kind of build this set makes possible that it deserves such a serious nerf. Even if pulse gunkers could apply all 7 status effects (without Hemorrhaging), that would be about 7x330=2310 in PvE or 1155 in PvP (500-600 with mitigations). OMG, that's so terrible damage:)

It's because in No-CP, ranged sorcerers have infinite sustain and healing so they can streak 3x or hide behind OP tanky DKs and nuke you with Bound Armaments multi hits. Which is more a problem of sorc class mastery and DK imbalance than Draugrkin.

This is simply not true.

Adding to this that also nerfing flat damage basically buffs shared pain. Like shared pain will do more damage from procing off DOT ticks than dot ticks will do.

acanca wrote: »

Couldn't find anywhere to leave feedback for the new alchemy ingredients and potions so im leaving it here.

Force Trait on Potions

Major Force is a pretty strong effect and i understand the need to reduce the duration because of it. But that makes relying on potions for this effect not a consistent option and with how accessible Major Force is with Arcanist Class Mastery Ink-Scribe's Verve or the mythic Monomyth, that makes this trait pretty undesirable despite its strength.

I would suggest turning the Major Force into Minor Force and increasing the duration to the standard 47.6 seconds with alchemy passives to match other similar positive effects in order to make this trait more consistent and also more useful.

I would also suggest adding a stamina based and magicka based Force potions to alliance vendors in Cyrodil or elsewhere for player comfort.

I think Major Force with a smaller uptime is more valuable then minor, since minor is already super easy to source.

Someone pointed this out to me in discord (not my screenshot)

Monolith of Storms proc is not per player, it's for the entire group



you can see it here as well.

3 sorcs all running monolith on a static movement fight, and only 1 sorc gets the proc at a time.



if monolith is going to be even more important to sorc dps, please fix this as well

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