In a perfect world, multiple options would exist and everyone would have the right to enjoy creative freedom to explore builds and find success, not just a singular class that you happen to main @BardokRedSnow for an entire year while everyone else is stuck dealing with it.

And accept it or not, Wings are overloaded. They are better than Streak, in a league of their own running laps around every other option.

I will accept DK wings are better than streak when I see a whole build made around flapping them.

Until that day comes, I know they’re not and that it’s even a discussion point is proof that these discussions will never bear fruit and have no point except to allow pvp players another arena with a faster queue while hoping Zos nerfs the last class that killed them.

Sorcs are now the talking point for nerfs as I said, it literally never ends.

gammelscroll wrote: »

Nerf everything and all except my own class!! Thats the mentality of ppl on this forum.

Mentality of players in-game too!

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

I will accept DK wings are better than streak when I see a whole build made around flapping them.

Until that day comes, I know they’re not and that it’s even a discussion point is proof that these discussions will never bear fruit and have no point except to allow pvp players another arena with a faster queue while hoping Zos nerfs the last class that killed them.

Sorcs are now the talking point for nerfs as I said, it literally never ends.

You can't just say that the fact that there is a discussion about something is proof that the discussion will never bear fruit, that doesn't even make any sense. You are and have objectively dodged meaningful conversation anytime someone has engaged with you on DK. Wings and streak are two different CCs but there are plenty of instances in which wings is much stronger than streak. Streak is stronger in open field combat or when the person or people you are playing against have no way of closing the distance. Wings is stronger for almost every other scenario, fighting in towers, kiting around LoS, and even for dealing with the sorcs that everyone seems to be having such issues with because it mitigates a large portion of their damage, more that any other ability with the exception of ults.

As a tower jogging enthusiast (they wouldnt let me say what we call people that like to fight in towers) I have to disagree, simply based on how easy it is for a sorc or a subclassed build using stormcalling to just play around with a zerg trying to kill them in the tower.

We talkin whole zergs chasing a dk vs whole zergs chasing the sorc, or subclassed sorc, lol they can make whole zergs look silly with streak, people shake off the knockback much easier than the streak stun from my observation. And also with a tower as an example, the dk when/if they want to escape the tower has a much harder time doing so being chased by competent people than the sorc. That sorc if they're even just a mid tier soloer is likely getting away from that fight 9/10 times vs the dk where it really depends.

Open field is also the majority of cyrodiil fights, but a sorc used to their class isnt getting bogged down as easily as a dk by a zerg or group focusing them, even in towers.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Its really unbelievable to me this is even in question, outside of these forums Ive never heard anyone even utter dk wings and streak in the same sentence. Much less compare them and say dk wings are better as an escape. Which is the specific thing I am referring to. The mitigation on wings is there simply because it needs something, clearing away from a fight is in practice far more mitigation than simply face tanking and kiting.

One is done out of necessity. And you can still kite very effectively using streak.

Yeah maybe because wings hasn't been this way until the rework? Also people don't just talk about balance changes in zone chat all day long unless they are getting one shot by something. Wings is better unless you are strictly trying to run away in an open field, which is not the "majority" of fights for 1vxers, which is the only scenario we are talking about, because otherwise DK is just better for group play.

As for wings only being this way recently well thats an interesting point because if we were reflecting damage back instead of just mitigating like back in the day then I'd agree, wings would indeed be incredibly op and broken lol. But we're far away from that rn for wings.

That aside, we've had months to play around with dk wings, and its great having them be useful again, but in open world cyro compared to streak its not carrying your playstyle.