Faltasë wrote: »

React wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Also if we are being honest no one is going around clearing post-craglorn vet trials in under a minute. Don't be disingenuous.

https://youtu.be/WcFeY-O1-jk?is=W65slz5pCKQeWBXM

Wow, a hyper-optimized group who specifically grinded and learned this trial just to do it as a score push? Must be a common occurrence aye.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Can we stop pretending that unlimited power creep in PvE is a good thing?

There are some things - like unlimited sustain - that are also problems in PvE. I'm sure people who crutch on broken strategies don't enjoy the idea of those things getting nerfed, but there should not be a way for one setup to be able to do everything well. Balance issues are also unhealthy in PvE.

The better answer is to stop releasing broken things so never-group PvErs stop crutching on them and then complaining that "oh, I can't play the game without it despite the fact that I played the game perfectly well for 11 years before it existed" when it finally gets its deserved nerf.

Seriously, sometimes I think people would actively defend it if ZOS released a skill called "Hand of Akatosh: Does 1,000,000,000 damage in a 100m radius for zero cost, but only works when Battle Spirit is inactive."

No. Power creep in PvE is managed by the individual. If one wants to dress out and be OP in the field so they can one-hit everything, that's on them. If one wants to dress down to role-play and not fight at all, that is also on them. If the classes, gear, weapons are nerffed so one cannot compete or complete a quest or target within the game unless they have a Max/Min build, that is on bad development strategy.

It is better to address the PvE as the base and the PvP as a side hustle so those ever-groupers can stop 'crutching' on their 'meta' gear and learn to play the game on their own. . . without depending on group bonuses.

Seriously, PvP should be staged so that each player has the same stats regardless of CP, gear worn into the fight or class choices. Gain a uniform based on DPS, Heal, Tank, and on faction choice. With that uniform, comes a set of stats that are ALL the same per role position entered as. No group bonuses, no power creeps, no dungeon gear advantages, everyone enters on a leveled playing field. Those that 'crutch' on meta gear and group bonuses wouldn't like that but more players would try PvP because they have a chance to enjoy the game rather than be rolled over out of the gate.

There is a giant chasm of difference between "I can't complete this quest on Adventurer!" and "I need to min/max to scorepush Godslayer."

But fine, let's even look at some games similar to ESO, but not involving other people - kinda like "single-player ESO," if you will. There are a few games like that, maybe you've heard of them? They're called things like "Skyrim" or "Oblivion."

In those games, you have a stamina bar to handle bashing or power attacks. You also have a magicka bar to handle spellcasting. And in both of those games, it is totally possible to run out. That means that even in those single-player games that people hold up as paragons of what ESO should be, you still have to deal with sustain. Even in those games, you still have to do the fights, it doesn't just spit out the 'quest complete!' achieve as soon as you load in.

Nobody should have to min/max to do the story quests. And nobody does. But needing to look at your setup and say "hmm, I may need to change one thing and approach this differently" is not min/maxing.